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[SpideyKnight]

FlashedMyDrive wrote...

That'll do pig, that'll do.

/slowclap


Look I have no problem with people believing in IT.  It is like believing the Earth is flat.  Do what you gotta do, just don't be condescending about it.  Calling everyone who doesn't believe in IT and idiot and that we "don't get it."  Just makes you seem like a condescending moron when the theory is proven wrong.

[Weskerr]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I am surprised just how wide the bubble of denial is with some people.

They said what they were going to do for weeks now, they are doing it. End of story.

You will never reach grief followed by acceptance if you remain in that bubble. You need to pop it sooner rather than later, Bioware have poked it with pins and sticks but you still remain in the bubble... Time to come out now.

For once I agree with Dragoonlordz. This is Denial 101.

[BiancoAngelo7]

SpideyKnight wrote...

FlashedMyDrive wrote...

That'll do pig, that'll do.

/slowclap


Look I have no problem with people believing in IT.  It is like believing the Earth is flat.  Do what you gotta do, just don't be condescending about it.  Calling everyone who doesn't believe in IT and idiot and that we "don't get it."  Just makes you seem like a condescending moron when the theory is proven wrong.

Um...I didn't think I was doing that...I'm pretty sure I specifically say that I understand anyone who says I am in denial and even admit they have valid view points.

I've always tried to be as normal and nice about whatever I think as possible. I'm sorry if you got the impression that I was trying to belittle anyone who doesn't agree with me...but that's just not how I roll...I think you may have just misunderstood what I was trying to say

[DiggingistDog]

Stop yourself.

[BiancoAngelo7]

DiggingistDog wrote...

Stop yourself.

what? 

[offensivename3730121]

This thread is based on lulz

[DiggingistDog]

BiancoAngelo7 wrote...

DiggingistDog wrote...

Stop yourself.

what? 

That whole thing is over.  Do you really think that the extended ending dlc is going to enforce that straw grabbing theory?

STOP YOURSELF.

[BiancoAngelo7]

DiggingistDog wrote...

BiancoAngelo7 wrote...

DiggingistDog wrote...

Stop yourself.

what? 

That whole thing is over.  Do you really think that the extended ending dlc is going to enforce that straw grabbing theory?

STOP YOURSELF.

 Oh right. I forgot about the meeting where everyone said no one's opinion matters but yours.

And "stop yourself"? Really? Is there any way you could make yourself sound more arrogant and pretentious?

Geez, people are allowed to hope and express themselves. If all you have to contribute is saying "shut up" then I suggest you go do it somewhere else.  

[DiggingistDog]

BiancoAngelo7 wrote...

DiggingistDog wrote...

BiancoAngelo7 wrote...

DiggingistDog wrote...

Stop yourself.

what? 

That whole thing is over.  Do you really think that the extended ending dlc is going to enforce that straw grabbing theory?

STOP YOURSELF.

 Oh right. I forgot about the meeting where everyone said no one's opinion matters but yours.

And "stop yourself"? Really? Is there any way you could make yourself sound more arrogant and pretentious?

Geez, people are allowed to hope and express themselves. If all you have to contribute is saying "shut up" then I suggest you go do it somewhere else.  

Some opinions are based in reality more than others.  Not saying that what you say doesn't matter but it simply doesn't reflect the current truths that are present for everyone to see.

You can expound what you believe all you want.  I actually hate whenever a moderator closes a thread.

However, as you are allowed to voice your opinion I am allowed to advise you to....

....Stop yourself because the IT, though creative, is simply not true.

[Rynocerous]

The main problem I have with the so-called IT theory is that it ignores Occam's Razor.

The simplest explaination for the sloppy bits, nonsense hallways, inconsistencies and bad writing is not that it is some sort of super-subtle indoctrination attempt, but rather that the ending was , very simply. bad and rushed.

I know people want to have faith and believe that somehow this means something that it does not. However, I strongly suspect that the forthcoming DLC will attempt to ... tie up plot holes in such a fashion that direclty leads away from the IT theory having any remaining viability.

A simple example: a cutscene explaining why the Normandy was fleeing, one showing that Shepard had a stomach wound prior to the shooting of Anderson, a slight change of the map to show 3 or 5 hallways leading to the Catalyst, and the addition of the attack squads Hackett sent to try to stop Harbinger would utterly destroy the underpinnings of most of the indoctrination theory.

Fanfiction.net is full of these sort of re-writes to make things fit in the way people want to. But the truth is heartbreaking.

No little blue children. No house on Rannoch. No adopted krogan babies bought with the martyred blood of Mordin.

It is worthy of a moment of despair.

[DiggingistDog]

Rynocerous wrote...

The main problem I have with the so-called IT theory is that it ignores Occam's Razor.

The simplest explaination for the sloppy bits, nonsense hallways, inconsistencies and bad writing is not that it is some sort of super-subtle indoctrination attempt, but rather that the ending was , very simply. bad and rushed.

I know people want to have faith and believe that somehow this means something that it does not. However, I strongly suspect that the forthcoming DLC will attempt to ... tie up plot holes in such a fashion that direclty leads away from the IT theory having any remaining viability.

A simple example: a cutscene explaining why the Normandy was fleeing, one showing that Shepard had a stomach wound prior to the shooting of Anderson, a slight change of the map to show 3 or 5 hallways leading to the Catalyst, and the addition of the attack squads Hackett sent to try to stop Harbinger would utterly destroy the underpinnings of most of the indoctrination theory.

Fanfiction.net is full of these sort of re-writes to make things fit in the way people want to. But the truth is heartbreaking.

No little blue children. No house on Rannoch. No adopted krogan babies bought with the martyred blood of Mordin.

It is worthy of a moment of despair.

Thank you for this post. 

I don:t want to speak for the OP but I can tell that he/she is a really big fan.  Toss aside your fandom for a minute and just see the situation for what it is,  BW screwed up HUGE.  It is not some allaborate plot twist.  They screwed you, me and everyone else out of a satisfying ending to a series that I put 250 hours into. 

[AlanC9]

DiggingistDog wrote...
However, as you are allowed to voice your opinion I am allowed to advise you to....

....Stop yourself because the IT, though creative, is simply not true.

Sure, but why should BiancoAngelo7 stop just because the theory isn't true? OK, when the EC ships reality will have to be faced, but if IT gives someone a few more months of living in blissful denial, why interfere?

[BiancoAngelo7]

DiggingistDog wrote...

BiancoAngelo7 wrote...

DiggingistDog wrote...

BiancoAngelo7 wrote...

DiggingistDog wrote...

Stop yourself.

what? 

That whole thing is over.  Do you really think that the extended ending dlc is going to enforce that straw grabbing theory?

STOP YOURSELF.

 Oh right. I forgot about the meeting where everyone said no one's opinion matters but yours.

And "stop yourself"? Really? Is there any way you could make yourself sound more arrogant and pretentious?

Geez, people are allowed to hope and express themselves. If all you have to contribute is saying "shut up" then I suggest you go do it somewhere else.  

Some opinions are based in reality more than others.  Not saying that what you say doesn't matter but it simply doesn't reflect the current truths that are present for everyone to see.

You can expound what you believe all you want.  I actually hate whenever a moderator closes a thread.

However, as you are allowed to voice your opinion I am allowed to advise you to....

....Stop yourself because the IT, though creative, is simply not true.

Your first post consisted only of "stop yourself" which equals "shut up".

You have since continued posting defending what you say and reiterating the "shut up" part every time. I plainly show you how you demonstrate arrogance and pretense, yet you insist and double down, defening your rudeness.

Telling someone to shut up because you don't agree with them has nothing to do with letting people express themselves, no matter how you want to try and color what you said and continue to say.

If you had actually read my op, then you would have understood what I was actually saying, but instead you just read the title said "oh look some fool that still believes in the nigh impossible" and told me to shut up.

You contributed nothing, and continue to defend your rudeness with fallacy.<_<

[AlanC9]

Rynocerous wrote...

The main problem I have with the so-called IT theory is that it ignores Occam's Razor.

The simplest explaination for the sloppy bits, nonsense hallways, inconsistencies and bad writing is not that it is some sort of super-subtle indoctrination attempt, but rather that the ending was , very simply. bad and rushed.

(snip)

No little blue children. No house on Rannoch. No adopted krogan babies bought with the martyred blood of Mordin.

It is worthy of a moment of despair.

Note that even an un-rushed ending wouldn't necessarily have given Shepard those little blue babies. Whether a good ending would have to have those is a subjective matter.

[DeinonSlayer]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I am surprised just how wide the bubble of denial is with some people.

They said what they were going to do for weeks now, they are doing it. End of story.

You will never reach grief followed by acceptance if you remain in that bubble. You need to pop it sooner rather than later, Bioware have poked it with pins and sticks but you still remain in the bubble... Time to come out now.

True, but sadly, that's not how conspiracy theories work. In the face of contrary evidence, the conspiracy can and will be elaborated (sometimes to a spectacular degree) to discount the new evidence.

People want to believe what they want to believe. Most of the time, it's harmless. For some, it's the only way they can handle the ending. In my opinion, indoctrination is unnecessary when one considers the possibility that the star child is simply lying about the Reapers' true purpose in a last-ditch effort to sway Shepard from destroying them.

I'm cautiously optimistic about what their clarification and closure DLC will do.

[AlanC9]

DeinonSlayer wrote...
 In my opinion, indoctrination is unnecessary when one considers the possibility that the star child is simply lying about the Reapers' true purpose in a last-ditch effort to sway Shepard from destroying them.

Hmm....it's creative, but then why wake Shepard up? Why tell Shepard anything at all? Better to hope Shepard doesn't figure out how to use the device before the Reapers destroy the Crucible.

Modifié par AlanC9, 07 avril 2012 - 04:07 .

[Rynocerous]

AlanC9 wrote...

Rynocerous wrote...

The main problem I have with the so-called IT theory is that it ignores Occam's Razor.

The simplest explaination for the sloppy bits, nonsense hallways, inconsistencies and bad writing is not that it is some sort of super-subtle indoctrination attempt, but rather that the ending was , very simply. bad and rushed.

(snip)

No little blue children. No house on Rannoch. No adopted krogan babies bought with the martyred blood of Mordin.

It is worthy of a moment of despair.

Note that even an un-rushed ending wouldn't necessarily have given Shepard those little blue babies. Whether a good ending would have to have those is a subjective matter.

Oh, I wholeheartedlly agree. I even agree in a priori with the OP on some regards. Sans any ... ha, reasonable clarification of effort, I'm sure that it's much better to put forth a theory that puts the ending into something that people can accept than the alternative : it sucks because it wasn't worth the money to do it "right".

Defining a good ending is beyond subjective, it is, and I hate to use the word, but "art".

The gleaming spires of Thessia, the urban splendor of Illum, the icy winds of Noveria. The moment of shock at seeing the Thorian, at watching Shepard die. The tears at Mordin, at watching Tali mourn her father, at listening to Ash or Kai for the last time.

Is this not art? Doesn't it deserve better than to be covered over with a few screenshots to appease, or to force the fanbase to come up with reaching theories to link together shards of a broken ending?

No, I understand the OP's frustration. I fear I am too ... linear to engage in such thinking, but I empathize. I don't know what a good ending would be. I am ...

I am upset that a silly video game has made me emotional when other real world events have not. In the words of Legion, the current ending is ....

No data available.

[DiggingistDog]

BiancoAngelo7 wrote...

DiggingistDog wrote...

BiancoAngelo7 wrote...

DiggingistDog wrote...

BiancoAngelo7 wrote...

DiggingistDog wrote...

Stop yourself.

what? 

That whole thing is over.  Do you really think that the extended ending dlc is going to enforce that straw grabbing theory?

STOP YOURSELF.

 Oh right. I forgot about the meeting where everyone said no one's opinion matters but yours.

And "stop yourself"? Really? Is there any way you could make yourself sound more arrogant and pretentious?

Geez, people are allowed to hope and express themselves. If all you have to contribute is saying "shut up" then I suggest you go do it somewhere else.  

Some opinions are based in reality more than others.  Not saying that what you say doesn't matter but it simply doesn't reflect the current truths that are present for everyone to see.

You can expound what you believe all you want.  I actually hate whenever a moderator closes a thread.

However, as you are allowed to voice your opinion I am allowed to advise you to....

....Stop yourself because the IT, though creative, is simply not true.

Your first post consisted only of "stop yourself" which equals "shut up".

You have since continued posting defending what you say and reiterating the "shut up" part every time. I plainly show you how you demonstrate arrogance and pretense, yet you insist and double down, defening your rudeness.

Telling someone to shut up because you don't agree with them has nothing to do with letting people express themselves, no matter how you want to try and color what you said and continue to say.

If you had actually read my op, then you would have understood what I was actually saying, but instead you just read the title said "oh look some fool that still believes in the nigh impossible" and told me to shut up.

You contributed nothing, and continue to defend your rudeness with fallacy.<_<

I read your post.

Stop yourself in believing that there is some deeper meaning to a very flawed ending when there is not.  If you do you will be very disapointed with the ending dlc.

I am not promoting any fallacy (I noticed that people like to say fallacy without pointing out which one I am supposedly using). I am just saying you should stop with your current line of thought because it is not based on anything but conjecture.  All I ask is that you be able to infer some simple truths.  They are extending the current ending to clarify what exactly happened at the ending (meaning the destruction of certain stuff that I won't clarify due to this being a non-spoiler zone).

I know that you want to believe that BW means that there is something more out there for all of us but the truth is that the ending was really bad and not some allaborate sequence of events.  So stop yourself from believing a falsehood.

Modifié par DiggingistDog, 07 avril 2012 - 04:11 .

[DeinonSlayer]

AlanC9 wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...
 In my opinion, indoctrination is unnecessary when one considers the possibility that the star child is simply lying about the Reapers' true purpose in a last-ditch effort to sway Shepard from destroying them.

Hmm....it's creative, but then why wake Shepard up? Why tell Shepard anything at all? Better to hope Shepard doesn't figure out how to use the device before the Reapers destroy the Crucible.

If the Reapers can get Shepard to finish their job for them once and for all (synthesis), maybe they think it's worth the risk.

[greggm2000]

DiggingistDog wrote...

I know that you want to believe that BW means that there is something more out there for all of us but the truth is that the ending was really bad and not some allaborate sequence of events.  So stop yourself from believing a falsehood.

Bear in mind that whatever the truth is, there's nothing saying that they can't change gears and adopt IT, even when it was never their plan to do so in the first place.... and thus create DLC which justifies that change.

[DiggingistDog]

greggm2000 wrote...

DiggingistDog wrote...

I know that you want to believe that BW means that there is something more out there for all of us but the truth is that the ending was really bad and not some allaborate sequence of events.  So stop yourself from believing a falsehood.

Bear in mind that whatever the truth is, there's nothing saying that they can't change gears and adopt IT, even when it was never their plan to do so in the first place.... and thus create DLC which justifies that change.

This would have been true a few days ago but not now.  They are extending the ending with more cinematic scenes and epilogue.  The ending will not be changed.

Don't get me wrong, it would have been cool if BW planned the indoc theory but they didn't.  If they did they wouldn't be claiming that they are changing all their dlc plans to adress fan complaints.

[AlanC9]

Rynocerous wrote...
I am upset that a silly video game has made me emotional when other real world events have not. In the words of Legion, the current ending is ....

No data available.

Leaving players broken-hearted would be a tremendous achievement for a game. My main problem with ME3's ending is that it didn't quite make it happen for me.

[AlanC9]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

DeinonSlayer wrote...
 In my opinion, indoctrination is unnecessary when one considers the possibility that the star child is simply lying about the Reapers' true purpose in a last-ditch effort to sway Shepard from destroying them.

Hmm....it's creative, but then why wake Shepard up? Why tell Shepard anything at all? Better to hope Shepard doesn't figure out how to use the device before the Reapers destroy the Crucible.

If the Reapers can get Shepard to finish their job for them once and for all (synthesis), maybe they think it's worth the risk.

Heh -- so maybe he should lie and tell Shepard the wrong colors.

[greggm2000]

DiggingistDog wrote...

greggm2000 wrote...

DiggingistDog wrote...

I know that you want to believe that BW means that there is something more out there for all of us but the truth is that the ending was really bad and not some allaborate sequence of events.  So stop yourself from believing a falsehood.

Bear in mind that whatever the truth is, there's nothing saying that they can't change gears and adopt IT, even when it was never their plan to do so in the first place.... and thus create DLC which justifies that change.

This would have been true a few days ago but not now.  They are extending the ending with more cinematic scenes and epilogue.  The ending will not be changed.

Don't get me wrong, it would have been cool if BW planned the indoc theory but they didn't.  If they did they wouldn't be claiming that they are changing all their dlc plans to adress fan complaints.

The thing is though, is still ambiguous what the actual ending is. They were very clear on stating that they weren't going to confirm OR deny the IT. Sensible, because it leaves them wiggle room. Whatever their original plans, it's not an official story until it's out as player-purchasable product.. thus, they can change to support IT, even if that wasn't their original intent.

As to what they will do, in terms of explaining things, it's anybody's guess. They've certainly shown no compunctions against saying one thing and doing another, after all.

Modifié par greggm2000, 07 avril 2012 - 04:34 .

[SpideyKnight]

BiancoAngelo7 wrote...

SpideyKnight wrote...

FlashedMyDrive wrote...

That'll do pig, that'll do.

/slowclap


Look I have no problem with people believing in IT.  It is like believing the Earth is flat.  Do what you gotta do, just don't be condescending about it.  Calling everyone who doesn't believe in IT and idiot and that we "don't get it."  Just makes you seem like a condescending moron when the theory is proven wrong.

Um...I didn't think I was doing that...I'm pretty sure I specifically say that I understand anyone who says I am in denial and even admit they have valid view points.

I've always tried to be as normal and nice about whatever I think as possible. I'm sorry if you got the impression that I was trying to belittle anyone who doesn't agree with me...but that's just not how I roll...I think you may have just misunderstood what I was trying to say

My apologies.  That wasn't directed at you per se.  It was directed to the general IT populace who think they are superior to the rest of the world because they "got" the ending.  You didn't "get it",  noone gets it.  It's nonsensical hogwash, it can't be comprehended.  IT is an excellent fan theory, but at the end of the day, that's all it is.