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[Awookie]

It can go either way.

Im not putting faith in anything unless we have an official statement. I interpret the IT for what it is : Theory. It could be true due to evidence, but it could be false due to dev oversights.

It seems as if everyone here either puts it as fact or total lie.  Nothing in between?  

Modifié par Awookie, 07 avril 2012 - 07:01 .

[Demmin Nass]

I believe the IT. There is too much evidence and clues, links to which have been provided throughout this thread, for me to personally believe that it's just a coincidence. But it's just that; a theory. I believe it's a plausible explanation for the ending. But is it the reason for the ending...who knows?

What kills me is the people that get on here and say "IT is NOT true".."IT can't be true"...like they know for a fact and their opinion is the only one that matters....end of conversation. Some insinuate that the people that do believe the IT are stupid losers that need to cling to something to get them through the day. All tend to conveniently forget to give any evidence or arguments to the contrary besides the tired..."Bioware isn't that smart".

Personally I find that having an imagination and ability to think outside the box are assets. If you lack these then sorry about you.

Go ahead and flame if you want. It will just prove my point.

[DiscoDarth]

I was rather sceptical about IT. Now it seems this is our only option.

[harrier25699]

Jessica Merizan tweeted on 5th Apr "it is true that no one starves etc. All that is already implied in the current end. DLC will clarify." The only thing I saw in the current end that could suggest no one in fact starves is the deep breath clip .

Modifié par harrier25699, 07 avril 2012 - 11:16 .

[TheIdiocyWizard]

It could go either way at this point. We'll just have to see what the DLC actually is.

[OdanUrr]

greggm2000 wrote...

Bear in mind that whatever the truth is, there's nothing saying that they can't change gears and adopt IT, even when it was never their plan to do so in the first place.... and thus create DLC which justifies that change.

Given their most recent statements, I don't think that's possible anymore. See, they've said time and again that they stand by their artistic vision and that the endings won't be changed. And, yes, while IT doesn't "change" the endings so much as expand on them, it does radically alter the artistic vision for the endings, particularly if we consider it wasn't their intention in the first place.

[DiscoDarth]

Everything iv heard from this tweeter: "oh maybe, or may be not, speculations, bla bla bla". No offence.

Modifié par DiscoDarth, 07 avril 2012 - 11:26 .

[AlanC9]

DiscoDarth wrote...

I was rather sceptical about IT. Now it seems this is our only option.

Don't you mean "only hope"?

[ZombifiedJake]

BiancoAngelo7 wrote...

VolusvsReaper wrote...

As nice as a Indoctrination Theory would be there is nothing to support it, I just finished the game for a second time about 5 minutes ago and there is very little if any evidence that would point to Shepard being indoctrinated. Although it has always confused me as to how he can come in contact with so much reaper tech and NOT be but oh well.

One major reason IT is doubtful was the Proth VI announcing indoctrinated presence detected long after it had talked to Shepard. If he was Indoctrinated why wouldn't it do it immediately?

Dude no evidence?

Have you read the google doc? Or watched the vid on youtube?...

www.youtube.com/watch

docs.google.com/document/d/1QT4IUepvrU1pfv_B95oQj0H84DlCTUmzQ_uQh1voTUs/preview

I can understand and respect someone's opinion who says they don't agree or believe in IT, but if ou are rational or fair minded, you can't say that there is NO evidence...

Wow, thanks for that. The google doc was really well written and critically destroyed the ending as it is, piece by piece.

Again, I don't know if I accept the IT, but I know that I can't accept the ending the way it is because of the offensive amount of inconsistencies (and that's putting it lightly).

Bioware staff should read that.

[BiancoAngelo7]

@zombifiedJake

lol yeah no prob, I put up those two links as a pair of the most reputable sources explaining why IT theory has a lot of evidence behind it.

I hold out hope that IT theory is true and that they didnt ruin such a wonderful franchise in the last ten minutes of the last game, but only time will tell. The only thing that I can't stand are the people that are going "no no no IT theory CANT be true. PERIOD" just as much as I cant stand those that go "yes yes yes IT theory MUST be true. PERIOD"

I believe in IT theory VERY much, and hope and PRAY that it is true, planned or not, but any fair minded person must admit to themselves that unless confirmed it is just a theory, nothing more...

[Jenop]

 I still don't fully accept IT for a few reasons, tjhe big reason being that the "It was all in your head after Harbinger shoots you with his lazer-face" is a little annoying. I honestly think that would be a bigger cop out then the endings that we have currently.

Another reason for my skepticism is the Shepard Lives ending. If Shepard did indeed live, then IT basically says "After you go through the ending, completely submit to God-child and kill The Illusive Man, you really wake up in Britain with the battle still going on around you." Is that really a better ending than what we have already?

The fact that it's called "Shepard_Lives" (I don't know the actual name of the cutscene that they put in the coding, but I'm guessing that's close enough) to me means that the ending that we have now actually DID happen, and that regardless of all the speculation and "proof" that has been thrown out for IT, debunks the whole theory.

Anyway, just my 2 cents.

[OdanUrr]

Jenop wrote...

The fact that it's called "Shepard_Lives" (I don't know the actual name of the cutscene that they put in the coding, but I'm guessing that's close enough) 

End03_Shepard_Alive_Male.bik
End03_Shepard_Alive_Fem.bik

[BiancoAngelo7]

Jenop wrote...

 I still don't fully accept IT for a few reasons, tjhe big reason being that the "It was all in your head after Harbinger shoots you with his lazer-face" is a little annoying. I honestly think that would be a bigger cop out then the endings that we have currently.

Another reason for my skepticism is the Shepard Lives ending. If Shepard did indeed live, then IT basically says "After you go through the ending, completely submit to God-child and kill The Illusive Man, you really wake up in Britain with the battle still going on around you." Is that really a better ending than what we have already?

The fact that it's called "Shepard_Lives" (I don't know the actual name of the cutscene that they put in the coding, but I'm guessing that's close enough) to me means that the ending that we have now actually DID happen, and that regardless of all the speculation and "proof" that has been thrown out for IT, debunks the whole theory.

Anyway, just my 2 cents.

Please don't make me cry with your rationalizations for why It theory isn't true....

lol jk of course, yeah that could be possible...but cmon, wouldn't you be happier if the nonsensical plot hole ridden no choice endings was really an indoctrination attempt? and the dlc comes out and has a fully fleshed out ending with everything that we were promised and we expected?

Personally Id be willing to believe that Shep was posessed by the devil if that's what it took to get the endings we deserved and were promised.

[MoldySpore]

The fact that we, as dedicated fans of Mass Effect, have to try and explain away the problems and lack of choice in the climax of the series with theories and hypothesis just makes me angry.

Modifié par MoldySpore, 08 avril 2012 - 02:11 .

[Jenop]

@OdanUrr

Thank you for that, I'll have to save those files away somewhere so that I don't keep typing them wrong. And on another note, love your name.

BiancoAngelo7 wrote...

Please don't make me cry with your rationalizations for why It theory isn't true....

lol jk of course, yeah that could be possible...but cmon, wouldn't you be happier if the nonsensical plot hole ridden no choice endings was really an indoctrination attempt? and the dlc comes out and has a fully fleshed out ending with everything that we were promised and we expected?

Personally Id be willing to believe that Shep was posessed by the devil if that's what it took to get the endings we deserved and were promised.

I would be happier if IT was the ending and not the current ones we have. To be honest, I'd also accept that Shepard was demonically possessed to just get rid of the ending that we have now. I'm so disappointed and angry, I really am. But unfortunately, the rational part of my brain works in overdrive which is why I can't accept IT.

At this point, I've shelved ME3 and probably won't ever go back to play it, even with the "extended ending" that BioWare is releasing. It's their game, they can do what they wish, and that they stand behind their ending after all this fan rage shows gusto, I'll give them that, but it'll be a cold day in hell before I buy a BioWare product that isn't a stand-alone title.

[zippythecellist]

I don't know...I was pro IT too, until that announcement came out. They said no new gameplay was being added, so unless the whole story is your 2nd in command took over and kicked the reaper's asses while you were being indoctrinated, I don't see how that could possibly work out. There definitely IS a lot of great evidence for IT; but it also requires further gameplay to end the series if it does end up being true.

Either way, I don't care if IT is true or not. Or how bioware fixes the ending, as long as one of the options is to watch my femshep and garrus raise their human-turian babies on Palaven or Earth.

Modifié par zippythecellist, 08 avril 2012 - 02:27 .

[BiancoAngelo7]

zippythecellist wrote...

I don't know...I was pro IT too, until that announcement came out. They said no new gameplay was being added, so unless the whole story is your 2nd in command took over and kicked the reaper's asses while you were being indoctrinated, I don't see how that could possibly work out. There definitely IS a lot of great evidence for IT; but it also requires further gameplay to end the series if it does end up being true.

Either way, I don't care if IT is true or not. Or how bioware fixes the ending, as long as one of the options is to watch my femshep and garrus raise their human-turian babies on Palaven or Earth.

Somebody actually specifically asked at PAX if there was going to be more gameplay in the ending dlc, and the answer was the same they gave when asked about IT, that "we can't really comment to not be to prescriptive"...or something along those lines, can't remember the exact words....

All I'm saying is that although there is little hope, to me there is still just a little bit of hope...

[OdanUrr]

Jenop wrote...

@OdanUrr

Thank you for that, I'll have to save those files away somewhere so that I don't keep typing them wrong. And on another note, love your name.

Thank you, he's one of my favourite Jedi Knights from TOTJ together with Ulic Qel-Droma.

[harrier25699]

Jenop wrote...

@OdanUrr

Thank you for that, I'll have to save those files away somewhere so that I don't keep typing them wrong. And on another note, love your name.

BiancoAngelo7 wrote...

Please don't make me cry with your rationalizations for why It theory isn't true....

lol jk of course, yeah that could be possible...but cmon, wouldn't you be happier if the nonsensical plot hole ridden no choice endings was really an indoctrination attempt? and the dlc comes out and has a fully fleshed out ending with everything that we were promised and we expected?

Personally Id be willing to believe that Shep was posessed by the devil if that's what it took to get the endings we deserved and were promised.

But unfortunately, the rational part of my brain works in overdrive which is why I can't accept IT.

I think overdrive is just another word for obsession, I know this because I have it too.  It is the rational part of my brain that tells me the IT is the most likely answer.  I was absolutely gutted with the vanilla ending till I saw a vid on youtube that actually gave the fanbase intellect a challenge and explained the horror of it.

Modifié par harrier25699, 08 avril 2012 - 02:42 .

[Matic1093]

IT theory makes the most sense. We will find out what Bioware has planned for us in the "Extended Cut" DLC. Hoping that they decide to put the IT into effect.

[.jpg.exe]

The ending is proof books like the Witches by Roal Dall (or however you spell it) shouldn't be used in schools, it allows for endings which are not ultra good and it's a given the devs read his trash as kids.

[harrier25699]

Roald Dahl

[BiancoAngelo7]

Whatever they read, it really just baffles me, all they had to do to make great endings was looka t what they did in ME1 and 2....instead they gave us an ending that is full of plot holes, inconsistencies, is completely lackluster, and just badly written.

I kindle the flame in my heart....

I pray I was indoctrinated....

[Aleya]

Until we get
1. An explanation that is not IT for Shepard hallucinating about a random kid at the very start of the game
1a. And then dreaming about said hallucination twice in a manner that greatly resembles the now surprisingly detailed Indoctrination codex entry
and/or
2. A clear statement from Bioware that IT IS FALSE

I'm going to go stick with IT. A lot of the other evidence could be attributed to sloppy writing or coding (personally I think there's too much of it within the same 10-20 minutes to be a coincidence, but that could just be wishful thinking). But I haven't yet heard a reasonable explanation for Shepard's hallucinations outside of IT.

We know Bioware will allow their protagonist to die if that is the most appropriate ending for the choices the player has made. I'd like to think they're also brilliant enough to take it one step further, allow you to be indoctrinated, let the fanbase lose all hope, and then restore it in one glorious swoop.

So, I'm witholding judgment until the EC is released.