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[OdanUrr]

kmcd5722 wrote...

If it wasn't, BW completely destroyed a universe so incredibly fleshed out, and now it is completely ruined.

I asked this once some time ago and I don't think I ever got an answer, so I'll ask again. Do you really believe Bioware can't come up with a better alternative to IT to explain the endings?

[EHondaMashButton]

OdanUrr wrote...

I asked this once some time ago and I don't think I ever got an answer, so I'll ask again. Do you really believe Bioware can't come up with a better alternative to IT to explain the endings?

I don't.  Specifically synthesis, and how he proposes to make edi organic with a beam of anything shot through space and the hull of the Normandy.

Modifié par EHondaMashButton, 08 avril 2012 - 11:46 .

[OdanUrr]

EHondaMashButton wrote...

I don't.  Specifically synthesis, and how he proposes to make edi organic with a beam of anything shot through space and the hull of the Normandy.

Yeah... that part doesn't make much sense to me either.

[HOUSE MDD]

Imo IT cant be true as prothean vi dosent say " Alert indoctrinated presense detected " around shepard. Only when Kai leng enters both on thessia and cerb hq. Unless BW forgot the scripting for both scenes

[JBONE27]

HOUSE MDD wrote...

Imo IT cant be true as prothean vi dosent say " Alert indoctrinated presense detected " around shepard. Only when Kai leng enters both on thessia and cerb hq. Unless BW forgot the scripting for both scenes

There are two possiblities.  1.  The VI's indocronation detection sucks, or 2.  Shepard has been far enough away from the source that the indoctronation is minor until running into Harrbinger.

[Kusy]

I'm saying it now, IT is true and will be used by BioWare to explain stuff, or Sir Mac Walters and Mister Casey Hudson are outright admitting that they went or allowed someone to go full retard on the ending, without double checking anything that was written not only in the previous games but in the very same game, without double checking anything that was written on the previous paragraph of the script.

And to make things clear... I'm not even really that bit of an IT supporter, I'm actually expecting that they simply made **** up as they go, and if someone back when they were writing the final sequence would say "Hey guys it would be awesome to have the Normandy crew ride velociraptors on that lush jungle planet" that would be the exact thing we'd see there... because it's that level of writing - Normandy crew riding velociraptors.

Modifié par Mr.Kusy, 09 avril 2012 - 12:08 .

[TheGreenAlloy]

Blastback wrote...

I want to believe.

[Kusy]

BioWare team wrote...

Hey, wouldn't it be awesome to make both Hale and Meer read those lines out along with the kid? It will sound cool right?

I'd say that's all there's too it.

[TRISTAN WERBE]

Mr.Kusy wrote...

I'm saying it now, IT is true and will be used by BioWare to explain stuff, or Sir Mac Walters and Mister Casey Hudson are outright admitting that they went or allowed someone to go full retard on the ending, without double checking anything that was written not only in the previous games but in the very same game, without double checking anything that was written on the previous paragraph of the script.

And to make things clear... I'm not even really that bit of an IT supporter, I'm actually expecting that they simply made **** up as they go, and if someone back when they were writing the final sequence would say "Hey guys it would be awesome to have the Normandy crew ride velociraptors on that lush jungle planet" that would be the exact thing we'd see there... because it's that level of writing - Normandy crew riding velociraptors.

It makes most since you know

[K_Tabris]

I'm happy for those who can buy the theory. If that is your way to cope with the ending, then awesome.

I'm not trying to sound patronizing, but it really just seems that the ending sequence of cut-scenes and limping are really just supposed to be taken at face value.Which is aggravating, because Bioware used to write decent game endings. We had three games to look forward to an epic finale, and instead all we received is a great pile of sh**

[Lyrebon]

JBONE27 wrote...

HOUSE MDD wrote...

Imo IT cant be true as prothean vi dosent say " Alert indoctrinated presense detected " around shepard. Only when Kai leng enters both on thessia and cerb hq. Unless BW forgot the scripting for both scenes

There are two possiblities.  1.  The VI's indocronation detection sucks, or 2.  Shepard has been far enough away from the source that the indoctronation is minor until running into Harrbinger.

Yeah, remember when Saren was talking about his indoctrination being slow, that he still retained his own mind. But he also expressed he couldn't be sure when he becomes fully indoctrinated because the effects are subtle. The same could have happened to Shepard.

NovinhaShepard wrote...

I'm happy for those who can buy the theory. If that is your way to cope with the ending, then awesome.

I'm not trying to sound patronizing, but it really just seems that the ending sequence of cut-scenes and limping are really just supposed to be taken at face value.Which is aggravating, because Bioware used to write decent game endings. We had three games to look forward to an epic finale, and instead all we received is a great pile of sh**

 

I believe it to some degree but not in the manner described by the conventional theory. The end was ****, I can accept that.

[Siripho]

Of course it's true.

It's just a shame that the average Bioware fan seems to have had the intelligence which was presumed by that ending replaced with bile and hatred from spending too much time in this pit of a site spewing forth dung at each other about entitlement and who in the ME universe has the nicest pants, or would give the best on-stage rendition of 'Hello! Ma Baby' or who's views about cabbages most closely matches their own.

Pity really.

[Sealy]

I hope it's true, cause then I can do my plot twist dance! Also because I kind of think the IT is formulated brilliantly. Love it!

[JBONE27]

Siripho wrote...

Of course it's true.

It's just a shame that the average Bioware fan seems to have had the intelligence which was presumed by that ending replaced with bile and hatred from spending too much time in this pit of a site spewing forth dung at each other about entitlement and who in the ME universe has the nicest pants, or would give the best on-stage rendition of 'Hello! Ma Baby' or who's views about cabbages most closely matches their own.

Pity really.

It's no contest.  Mordin would do the best rendition of 'Hello My Baby,' then Wrex, then Tali.

[Siripho]

JBONE27 wrote...

Siripho wrote...

Of course it's true.

It's just a shame that the average Bioware fan seems to have had the intelligence which was presumed by that ending replaced with bile and hatred from spending too much time in this pit of a site spewing forth dung at each other about entitlement and who in the ME universe has the nicest pants, or would give the best on-stage rendition of 'Hello! Ma Baby' or who's views about cabbages most closely matches their own.

Pity really.

It's no contest.  Mordin would do the best rendition of 'Hello My Baby,' then Wrex, then Tali.

I have to admit that I would have paid to see Saren do it, especially if he peformed with the whole hat and cane shubangle, while riding his flying dinner plate.

Oh God! Joining ... in! Powerless ... to resist ... I can feel bile and hatred rising and a need to take the ending at face value...

Help!

[JBONE27]

Siripho wrote...

JBONE27 wrote...

Siripho wrote...

Of course it's true.

It's just a shame that the average Bioware fan seems to have had the intelligence which was presumed by that ending replaced with bile and hatred from spending too much time in this pit of a site spewing forth dung at each other about entitlement and who in the ME universe has the nicest pants, or would give the best on-stage rendition of 'Hello! Ma Baby' or who's views about cabbages most closely matches their own.

Pity really.

It's no contest.  Mordin would do the best rendition of 'Hello My Baby,' then Wrex, then Tali.

I have to admit that I would have paid to see Saren do it, especially if he peformed with the whole hat and cane shubangle, while riding his flying dinner plate.

Oh God! Joining ... in! Powerless ... to resist ... I can feel bile and hatred rising and a need to take the ending at face value...

Help!

Man, I completely forgot about Saren.  After Mordin, but before Garrus.

[Siripho]

JBONE27 wrote...

Siripho wrote...

JBONE27 wrote...

Siripho wrote...

Of course it's true.

It's just a shame that the average Bioware fan seems to have had the intelligence which was presumed by that ending replaced with bile and hatred from spending too much time in this pit of a site spewing forth dung at each other about entitlement and who in the ME universe has the nicest pants, or would give the best on-stage rendition of 'Hello! Ma Baby' or who's views about cabbages most closely matches their own.

Pity really.

It's no contest.  Mordin would do the best rendition of 'Hello My Baby,' then Wrex, then Tali.

I have to admit that I would have paid to see Saren do it, especially if he peformed with the whole hat and cane shubangle, while riding his flying dinner plate.

Oh God! Joining ... in! Powerless ... to resist ... I can feel bile and hatred rising and a need to take the ending at face value...

Help!

Man, I completely forgot about Saren.  After Mordin, but before Garrus.

As to views about cabbages, I would probably agree with Miranda in 2 or the entire female line-up in 3, where the consensus seems to be - 'stick 'em in your bra, girls!'...

[Soaringeagle78]

You said that you won't believe until Bioware says it isn't true. My take is: It isn't true until Bioware says it is. Call me pessimistic, but even if evidence proves it, it could just be a lot of coincidences and I'm not going to get my hopes up by grabbing onto straws of hope that may(and probably will) get yanked out of our grasp.
LOTS OF SPECULATION FOR EVERYBODY!

[Vijun]

OP, I salute you.

I also have the greatest respect for all the bright minds who contributed to the establishment of ITheory. It was a great ride and it shows how big of an impact this particular franchise had on the many people that enjoyed it.
Whatever happens with Mass Effect, IT will always be the only truth for me.

Thank you.

[Bluko]

I have to believe Indoctrination Theory is true... cause quite frankly I think it's the only way this series can be redeemed. It would also be an interesting plot twist on par with Revan in KOTOR. However it is still a rather cruel trick to play on fans. And I am growing increasingly concerned the ending may just be a horrible mess. But I honestly can think of few excuses.

To me there is an overwhelmingly amount of evidence pointing towards IT. This video in particular makes a very strong case. There are also several other hints in the game including the game levels themselves. I mean the whole thing with the kid is a damn give away and always has been. Maybe the whole ending isn't a "dream" but some of it has to be. Granted I will admit the first time you see the ending it would seem to be "real" and just underwhelming. However even your first time you should find it odd how some characters just pop up out of no where. I know I did. Maybe it's just lazyness, but it's really bad to have stuff like in the final sequence where you expect the highest level of quality to be in regards to design. To botch those things I can only believe EA put a gun to Bioware's head and told them to finish the game at any cost. To me it is almost undeniable that Indoctrination has to be a part of the game.


And there's one problem. ME3 is without doubt the most rushed and "incomplete" of the 3 games I've played. I mean quirky animations, conversation glitches, and a poorly detailed journal to boot. All these things point to the fact Bioware did not release a complete quality game. And there's stuff like the Prothean which without doubt from gameplay videos I've seen should have been in everyone's game. Funny thing in retrospect. I wonder how many of the "true fans" who got their Collector's Edition wish they hadn't? One thing that amuses is how quick people will do 180s around here. Yet on the other hand the fact Bioware would go along with the whole Prothean DLC probably indicates they are okay with holding back the "real ending". Also I suspect the Prothean wasn't free probably because they are seeking to cover costs for the Free Ending DLC. Not a bad plan and one I would have been okay with... except they didn't tell us. That's what buggers me the most. Bioware has clearly shown they have no qualms about outright lying or least misleading their fanbase. This is unfortunate because no one profits from dishonesty. A lesson they have hopefully learned from all this.


If there's one thing I've noticed here it's that folks are way too quick to give in to blind hatred and hysteria. I wish more folks would base their judgements on sound reasoning, but such is life unfortunately. That said I think a lot of people who hate the ending have done so in the same way hysteria developed with the Mako, Planet Scanning, etc. The truth is these things generally aren't as horrible as people claim. Though it's not very hard to flip out over the ending as it really is unsatisfying. Which again is a hint within itself that DLC was most likely planned to give people their "fix". It's no secret Bioware has a great interest in promoting people's infatuation with the games to downright disturbing degrees.

Heh I can remember how many people a year ago were going around saying there wouldn't be multiplayer in ME3. And how they took Casey's "no comment" as evidence of it. Jokes definitely on them now. Really with ME2 it should have been evident they were moving in such direction. The addition of ammo, a cover button, etc. should have been all the information one needed to see where they were trying to go. Honestly I thought it was odd ME2 didn't have multiplayer. I also completely called the idea Shepard would rejoin the Alliance and fight Cerberus. I'm actually rather frightened how accurate I was about the whole thing.


You know what to heck with it. Indoctrination Theory is the truth. Y'all can backpedal and disbelieve it all you want, but my gut tells me I'm right. I don't care if I'm the only one left who believes in it. I know enough and have seen enough evidence to conclude it must be. And I will be going I told you so as I always end up doing. It will be hilarious to see all the big critics reactions when they find out they've been fooled. Now some will say the recent announcements disprove this. Yeah about that...


For fans who want more closure in Mass Effect 3, the DLC will offer extended scenes that provide additional context and deeper insight to the conclusion of Commander Shepard's journey.

BioWare strongly believes in the team's artistic vision for the end of this arc of the Mass Effect franchise. The extended cut DLC will expand on the existing endings, but no further ending DLC is planned.


They are "expanding" the endings, but not changing them because being Indoctrinated is suppose to be part of the ending experience. You are simply getting to see the rest of the ending now. I mean what do people think the whole teaser with Shepard breathing is suppose to mean? Wake up people. The final endings are coming.

Modifié par Bluko, 09 avril 2012 - 05:05 .

[JBONE27]

Siripho wrote...

JBONE27 wrote...

Siripho wrote...

JBONE27 wrote...

Siripho wrote...

Of course it's true.

It's just a shame that the average Bioware fan seems to have had the intelligence which was presumed by that ending replaced with bile and hatred from spending too much time in this pit of a site spewing forth dung at each other about entitlement and who in the ME universe has the nicest pants, or would give the best on-stage rendition of 'Hello! Ma Baby' or who's views about cabbages most closely matches their own.

Pity really.

It's no contest.  Mordin would do the best rendition of 'Hello My Baby,' then Wrex, then Tali.

I have to admit that I would have paid to see Saren do it, especially if he peformed with the whole hat and cane shubangle, while riding his flying dinner plate.

Oh God! Joining ... in! Powerless ... to resist ... I can feel bile and hatred rising and a need to take the ending at face value...

Help!

Man, I completely forgot about Saren.  After Mordin, but before Garrus.

As to views about cabbages, I would probably agree with Miranda in 2 or the entire female line-up in 3, where the consensus seems to be - 'stick 'em in your bra, girls!'...

No contest.

[Sozerano]

As much as I want to believe that it's true, (and I suppose it's a possibility so long as Bioware doesn't outright say it's not true), I just don't think it was their intention.

The way that they've handled it from a PR side screams to me that they never intended to reveal a big planned "Ha! There's more to the story!" If that was their intention, we would have seen a really nicely executed campaign hinting at the DLC to come. One thing that they've done very well through the course of the ME franchise are their marketing campaigns, AR virals, teaser trailers, etc.

If the development team did intend on this, the PR & marketing team would be armed with an elaborate campaign with strict dates, assets, trailers, hints, etc. Since their response is a carefully worded Extended Cut, it seems like a scrambling act.

I LOVE the IT, and from a merketing perspecitve, I thought it would be such a brilliant way to drum up so much controversy & attention, only to come out with a big reveal that there's more to the story. The concept of indoctrinating an audience is just so outside the box, it seemed right up Bioware's alley.

OP, I do really hope you're right...

[lx_theo]

Denial much?

[kmcd5722]

OdanUrr wrote...

I asked this once some time ago and I don't think I ever got an answer, so I'll ask again. Do you really believe Bioware can't come up with a better alternative to IT to explain the endings?

No, but I find IT the best explanation.  The endings as they stand now do not fit into the lore of the universe they crafted.  I don't know what BW has planned, but I find it hard to believe that really, deep down, they said "Yeah, this ending makes so much sense, all the fans will love it, and really appreciate the artistic imagery of the end sequence!"  It's not artistic if it doesn't fit.  Mordin's sequence was artistic.  As was Thane's.  As was Udina's.  As were the Geth/Quarian sequences.  They fit.  They made sense, and each ending of those stories was artistic and fit the lore of the series.  The endings as they stand without IT make no sense.  

I will stay in denial until the summer comes.  IT has to make it right.  If not IT, something far beyond our will to fit the series, that will only involve more space magic, which I would not prefer.  Or something that also fits that everyone has overlooked.  We shall see.  At the present moment, I see IT as the only way to fit the endings correctly, and more importantly, elevate Mass Effect to the greatest franchise ever.

[AshenSugar]

I don't care whether its canonically true or not.

As far as I'm concerned, as soon as Shepard enters the beam, the Indoctrination Theory kicks in - and everything that occurs afterward is a hallucination; that's my canon, it's the mindset I take up when I get to the end of the game, and I'm sticking with it.... so there!

I asked this once some time ago and I don't think I ever got an answer,
so I'll ask again. Do you really believe Bioware can't come up with a
better alternative to IT to explain the endings?

As Bioware's official version seems to be:

a) Take Saren's recommended option - All sentient life is forced to become cybernetic, a few survivors end up stranded in their own systems, but mega trillions are killed instantly via Mass Effect Relay explosion whilst the fleet you accumulated dies horribly and slowly of starvation - everyone you helped in the Citadel and beyond dies.

Take The Illusive Man's recommended option, believe yourself capable of controling the Reapers -  A few survivors end up stranded in their own systems, but mega trillions are killed instantly via Mass Effect Relay explosion, whilst the fleet you accumulated dies horribly and slowly of starvation - everyone you  helped in the Citadel and beyond dies.

c) Destroy The Reapers -   A few survivors end up stranded in their own systems, but mega trillions are killed instantly via Mass Effect Relay explosion whilst the fleet  you accumulated dies horribly and slowly of starvation - everyone you  helped in the Citadel and beyond dies.

Then no, I don't care much for any of their 'better alternatives'.

Modifié par AshenSugar, 09 avril 2012 - 03:32 .