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[Talvaris]

I believe that the IT Theory is true at least for the last 10 minutes of the game. Since if you think about it the fact that the alliance forces say there is no one who made it to the beam of light. An the fact that no one trys to get to shepard when he gets up to help him get there or to stop him. Second look at his armor mostly destroyed yet he is still able to be contacted by hackett. Then you have the wound he puts his hand on. The exact spot where the illusive man had shepard shoot him at the start. Then lets go to the choices the first one control seems to be exactly what a person would think under IT. The same goes for Synthesis but with the exception that is you accepting the reapers and becoming a servant of theirs. The last one the little boy makes it out to be so horrible a outcome to pick and trys to convience you of the Synthesis choice. Lastly if you watch the end where shepard dies in the Control and Synthesis ending you will see that his eyes change from the color you pick to the exact same eyes that the illusive man had. I believe the VI didn't detect it on shepard because he was fighting it and it had not gain any influence on him making him seem to be immune where as Kai had become indoctinarted or accepted it and was easy for it to detect.

[Favourite store on the CitadeI]

It's not true (IMO) but it would be the most genius idea in the series. Think about the potential....

[Homawk]

beutelmarkus wrote...

Jexx21 wrote...

Jexx21 wrote...

can't be. if you have a low EMS score, you can only choose the destroy option.

what kind of indoctrination attempt only gives you the choice to destroy the things trying to indoctrinate you?

You also don't get the 5 second clip of Shepard taking a breath.  I see that ending as a complete fail, in that you're still indoctrinated even though you took the destroy option (and you get the shuttle clip where the door only partially opens but no one comes out).  I could also see the shuttle door not fully opening as a sign that you didn't even survive the indoctrination attempt and died at that point in the game (under the rubble in the streets of London).

This gives more validity to your EMS rating in that it's what's truly the driving force behind whether or not you overcome the indoctrination attempt.  The destroy option is a part of the solution, but without the proper EMS rating, your will/confidence to overcome indoctrination just isn't strong enough.

EDIT: Also, the destroy option merely represents your mind's triumph over the indoctrination attempt - it doesn't actually mean that you destroy the reapers.

I remember reading/watching that the reason for only being able to pick Destroy with a low EMS is that the Reapers don't try has hard to indoctrinate you now that they are easily defeating your forces. Something along those lines. You bring up an interesting idea too, though. 

[Deron Noire]

It really would be brilliant if it were true. Everything that points at the IT is just so spot on and the ending would make so much more sense. Leaving us with this WTF moment for a few weeks or month, making it truely a memorable experience never seen in gaming before.

But then again they wouldn't make an Extended Cut DLC or keep quiet about it after the uproar without at least a hint. Not to mention it wouldn't be fair to those who play without internet access, I heard there are still some, or the fact that such a major plot line should be in the core game.

[macrocarl]

I believe in IT the way the ending is currently. There's such amazing detail throughout ME3 that having it just be a lousy weird ending doesn't hold up. With that said, I do think that the extended cut will clarify some things and keep other things open (hopefully) so that we can all be 'right'.

[La Jeffa]

Maybe it was an accident? Maybe Bioware didn't intend for it to come out the way it did. Or maybe I'm just defending them? I know I don't exactly appreciate were all the criticism has been going, I mean look at there track record. Bioware has made some really amazing games in the past, and to put them down all because of a bad ending? True, they could have done a better job, but that's no reason to be nasty.

As for the IT...you guys are grasping at straws. I was for a moment until I came to my senses. There is a correlation between Shepard being indoctrinated and all the Reaper tech he/she's come into contact with, but it just doesn't add up well enough for me.

[CARL_DF90]

With all of this going around ONE thing struck me as odd: after getting hit with a pulse of energy from object Rho in the Arrival DLC for ME2, how could Shep NOT suffer from SOME of the effects of indoctrination? There is no precedent either in the canon or codex of ANYONE having an immunity to it. Tolerance and/or resistance maybe but not full blown immunity. Plus, it would make those worthless dream sequences make MUCH more sense as weird dreams is a symptom of the indoctination process.

[CARL_DF90]

Heh. Funny. For now we have no way of knowing but it sure is funny to speculate. To that end I found a somewhat interesting article about the the I.T. that talks about the pros and cons of such a thing. Hope good ol' Bioware gives it a read if they haven't already. Cheers!

http://leviathyn.com...-spoiler-alert/

[Gigamantis]

Quit trying to sell that moronic theory. Even with any perceived flaws the original ending is A LOT better than this drivel.

[CARL_DF90]

Heh. So says the individual with a somewhat limited understanding of the ME series and an even more limited imagination. Such a pity. *works nights. goes to bed*

[Gigamantis]

You do need a lot of imagination to make indoctrination theory not suck. You didn't like the ending so your solution is that they implement something 10x as stupid that you people invented? The fans clearly don't want a good ending, they just want some kind of hollow victory.

Luckily the added DLC is only going to be explanations of the real ending.

[EHondaMashButton]

I guess we're ignoring the whole bit where Harby "mind humped you twice" as another poster put it, and had you passed out on his couch for 2 days in The Arrival. I'm sure he just waited patiently for you to wake up...

[Gigamantis]

EHondaMashButton wrote...

I guess we're ignoring the whole bit where Harby "mind humped you twice" as another poster put it, and had you passed out on his couch for 2 days in The Arrival. I'm sure he just waited patiently for you to wake up...

Do you have any idea how much reaching you have to do to explain EVERYTHING Shepards done since Arrival if he's been indoctrinated this whole time?  

People want an explanation for what Shepard did at the end of the game, and the obvious explanation is he didn't have a choice.  No amount of stomping and holding his breath was going to change what he had to do, so he conceded and did what was necessary to save the galaxy.  No convoluted, crappy Indoctrination Theory required.  

Modifié par Gigamantis, 12 avril 2012 - 03:56 .

[EHondaMashButton]

Strawman argument. You wouldn't be indoctrinated until the final scene. IT is that you're RESISTING indoctrination throughout the game, not that the entire game is a hallucination.

And I'm not saying IT is the true ending, just that you haven't been paying attention.

Modifié par EHondaMashButton, 12 avril 2012 - 04:03 .

[Gigamantis]

EHondaMashButton wrote...

Strawman argument. You wouldn't be indoctrinated until the final scene. IT is that you're RESISTING indoctrination throughout the game, not that the entire game is a hallucination.

And I'm not saying IT is the true ending, just that you haven't been paying attention.

I know what IT is and it's stupid.  There's no indication of Shepard being influenced by, or even fighting influence by, Reapers at any point.  Forcing indoctrination in to explain a PERFECTLY REASONABLE action Shepard made in the games closing moments is something so stupid it could only have been invented on these forums. 

There are way more holes to poke into that inane theory than their ever were with the current ending.  The most obvious hole being why the Reapers didn't even visibly attempt to influence Shepard throughout the game as he opposed them at every turn, yet they were able to take him completely right as he reached the crucible. 

Since there's nothing logically amiss about Shepards actions at the end of the game there's no need for a horribly thought out theory to explain them.  IT will never be adopted if Bioware even has a shred of integrity.  

[EHondaMashButton]

Gigamantis wrote...

I know what IT is and it's stupid.  There's no indication of Shepard being influenced by, or even fighting influence by, Reapers at any point.  Forcing indoctrination in to explain a PERFECTLY REASONABLE action Shepard made in the games closing moments is something so stupid it could only have been invented on these forums. 

There are way more holes to poke into that inane theory than their ever were with the current ending.  The most obvious hole being why the Reapers didn't even visibly attempt to influence Shepard throughout the game as he opposed them at every turn, yet they were able to take him completely right as he reached the crucible. 

Since there's nothing logically amiss about Shepards actions at the end of the game there's no need for a horribly thought out theory to explain them.  IT will never be adopted if Bioware even has a shred of integrity.  

I don't think you understand the definition of indoctrination.  
 to teach (a person or group of people) systematically toaccept doctrines, esp uncritically 

Wikipedia has a bit more context:
Indoctrination is the process of inculcating ideas, attitudes, cognitive strategies or a professional methodology (see doctrine).   It is often distinguished from education by the fact that the indoctrinated person is expected not to question or critically examine the doctrine they have learned.

Indoctrination can be overt i.e. military/religious doctrine.  Or it can be subtle or unconcious i.e. gender roles and social behavior.  The defining characteristic is that you accept it at face value and don't question it BECAUSE YOU DO NOT ENTERTAIN THOUGHTS OF ANY OTHER WAY.   

What you think indoctrination means actually describes coercion  the act of coercing;  use of force or intimidation to obtain compliance. 

The Thorian used coercion, the Reapers use indoctrination.  If it were obvious your decisions weren't entirely your own, it wouldn't be indoctrination.

If you read or listened to the codex you'd know that indoctrinating instantly would turn him into a husk, and therefore useless. Not to mention it'd basically end the game in the first 30 minutes.  

All that weird crap, that was only introduced in this game mind you, is up for debate as evidence.  You can't claim there's no evidence, when there are clear matches to what's described in the codex.  Whether you attribute it to IT or cooincidence is personal interpretation.

If you want to go logical strategy,  if the ending is real,  why send Kai Leng after him instead of just blowing up the Normandy in space, which ALREADY  WORKED.  Why not have TiM coordinate an attack in space where shep is vulnerable and have Kai Leng guard the citadel instead of a 50 year old man?  Why not shut down the mass relays?  Thats what we were told they'd do in ME1.  You want to play a game where the reapers have set up a blockade so you're stuck on Tuchanka for the next 20 hours while they go to town on earth?

I'm not even going to touch your statement of space magic being more logical than the reapers using their primary weapon on you.  They have 2 weapons man, reaper beams, and indoctrination.  It's logical they'd at least attempt it.

IT won't be adopted because it would mean 2/3rds of the player base ultimately failed after 120 hours invested in the franchise.  It would be PR suicide, even worse than the outrage at the current ending.

Modifié par EHondaMashButton, 12 avril 2012 - 05:14 .

[CyberMiguel]

D24O wrote...

Hell, by "clarify" maybe they'll just roll with the IT theory, leave us with the cliffhanger breath and make another game. I wouldn't be surprised.

^ THIS

That way, Bioware/EA can make a Mass Effect 4 or 5 if they want and keep selling the games. Mass Effect is a franchise that sells well...more than well and they WILL milk it until it dries out.

Mark my words, guys: EA LOVES MONEY and it's in their best interest to keep the franchise going...AT ALL COST. 

[Wiggs Magee]

I want it to be true but we have to come to terms thats its not.. All we are going to get from the endings is probably a DA:O epilogue for the disappointing endings.

[BiancoAngelo7]

Wiggs Magee wrote...

I want it to be true but we have to come to terms thats its not.. All we are going to get from the endings is probably a DA:O epilogue for the disappointing endings.

Keep hope alive...anything can happen...until they flat out deny Indoctrination theory (kinda weird how they flat out deny other rumors and theories but not this one...) or the dlc comes out and we see that unfortunately they really did just fu*k up royally and are going to polish a turd to tell us it don't stink, then I will keep hope alive.

To those users that are lambasting others with "IT theory is retarded and you are retarded for believing it" I would suggest you tone down the arrogance and hostility and try and keep an open mind and accept that not all people believe what you do, and unless you work at Bioware you're really in no position to say "x" is not true, period.

Just like I believe and hope in IT theory, but accept that it is unlikely and improbable, so must you accept that others hope and like different things and that in this case that "thing" is IT theory, and it MAY be possible.

Geez. chill.

[LoneRiderOne]

Question: posted on other info also but looking for a aswner to see if I am right or way off..
I got done mass effect 3 wile ago got the pre order for Ps3 PC was not up to running the game, them had to buy mass effect 2 because my account from PC did not carry over from MS1 and 2. quick run up on Mass effect 2 got me back into the game and got to the end. # picks all bad. IMO
not that main player gets killed off but the hole galaxy is destroyed,,, How well if you recall in the mass effect 2 you destroy a relay to delay the reapers. this destroy the system and about 320k people in that system. Now at the end any pick destroy every relay and which would kill off most of the main worlds also in 2 of 3 reapers fly off. there is NO relay so if anyone live they can't jump to the other systems and the game is now DEAD.. No way can you have a next game if all the relays are down.. most of everyone for the next million years is gone, Earth is gone the citidel plus the relay in sol system blow up. What are they thinking...

[MegaSovereign]

Denial at it's finest.

[HiddenKING]

Favourite store on the CitadeI wrote...

It's not true (IMO) but it would be the most genius idea in the series. Think about the potential....

or lack thereof.