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[VigilancePress]

While I can appreciate the feminist's distaste for classic swords and sorcery stories like Conan and (Perhaps) The Witcher, this doesn't make a game 'bad' for embracing the source material.

That being said, I have nothing but praise for CD Projekt's treatment of their fans (from what I've seen). They keep upgrading their games and offer those upgrades for free, listening to the fans and delivering improvements without strings attached. What other companies treat as "DLC" for purchase, they offer free to anyone who has purchased the game. They only ask that you buy their games.

I wish BioWare was like that.

[Erszebeth]

Yes, CDPR is alright. They make different games, and yes, the traitement of women in TW was immature, but is actually really nice in TW2. Most importantly, i've *never* felt ripped off by anything they've done so far. Quite the contrary, actually.

Bought TW2 from GoG without DRM, got 3 free games, and now the extended edition for free. TW got me interested in the novels, and I can say that the games are very true to the original material. TW2 extend beautifully the witcher universe from the books without betraying it. Astounding.

They do feel like a edgy Bioware circa Baldur's Gate 2.

Modifié par Erszebeth, 06 avril 2012 - 01:12 .

[K_Tabris]

The Witcher is an awesmoe rpg, and can't wait for TW2, certainly. But I think it's an exaggeration to call them the next Bioware. So far, they have made two games where you can play as Geralt, not a designed player of your choice. So far, this is the biggest differential that will make Bioware, Bioware and CDPR not quite there yet.

*I'm talking classic Bioware, not the EA sell-out version

[Skyline45]

AllThatJazz wrote...

CDPR are good, no doubt about that. However, when they've made 14 games (not counting expansions), 8 of which are their own Intellectual Property, and a vast majority of which allow you to play your own character rather than someone else's, then they'll be the new Bioware.

Seriously, claiming they're the 'new' anything after two games is a little bit premature, I think. Unless you're saying they're the new CDPR ;P

^You should of read the last line in my OP.

"EDIT: I was just making the observation that all the values that Bioware
used to hold seem to be moving over to CD Projekt. Get off the topic of
politics and social issues, thank you."

^This is why I made that claim.

[Grand Wazoo]

I liked both Witcher games, not the greatest games I've played, but I really liked them. And CDPR really cares about its customers. And GOG is really the main reason why I really like them. Right now, CDPR and InXile are my favorites among game developers.

Modifié par Grand Wazoo, 06 avril 2012 - 01:27 .

[Skyline45]

Seboist wrote...

Forget CD Projekt, even a freaking fighting game developer like Arc System Works is more capable at creating a more cohesive better planned series with their Blazblue franchise which actually has a branching narrative in it's story mode with tangible choice and consequences (different opponents).

Bioware's an overhyped developer that's only capable at creating "save the world from the dragon" disney-esque plots with a childish morality system and a tacked on datesim mechanic where sexual degenerates can have creepy "romances" with overgrown children like Liara and Merrill.

^You've never played TW2 have you?.... Cuz if you did you would find out that the engine they have made is beautiful xD

[Johanna]

For guys, maybe.  A game that includes... sex cards... just isn't my thing.  Sorry.

Edit: Ah, I see this has already been touched on.  Mea culpa.

Modifié par pants witch, 06 avril 2012 - 01:20 .

[nitefyre410]

. I would love to see someone try pull to off another Sci-Fi RPG ...there needs to be more variety in RPG settings other than "Generic Fantasy land X"

Which is why I like Atlus and the Persona Series so much, that's another company that needs for credit for what they do.

[Skyline45]

Big Mac Heart Attack wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

azerSheppard wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
What has that have to do with what I said? Where would be the harm in adding a female/customisable character?
If that counts as "fanservice" to you, don't bother responding.

Geralt is a set character, THERE IS NO WAY AROUND THAT. The IP from which he originates has him set as a character, it's ridiculous to demand change of gender and looks. It's like saying, "well Vaan from FF12 looks very girly, why not give the option be make him female, with dark hair?". That just doesn't work. Not all RPG's have Character custimizations. I rather work with set characters, as there can be more detailed RP than lets say RP in Skyrim, which is ****ty.

Or, you know, you could add other characters. Problem solved.

Triss Merigold as playable character in Witcher 3 would be awesome.  Or bring back Shani.

^I heard the VA for Shani didnt sign the contract or something with TW2, but in that same rumor she has already been written into the script for TW3

Modifié par Skyline45, 06 avril 2012 - 01:21 .

[Dendio1]

pants witch wrote...

For guys, maybe.  A game that includes... sex cards... just isn't my thing.  Sorry.

Edit: Ah, I see this has already been touched on.  Mea culpa.

Get off the sex cards. Thats witcher 1 back in 2007. we are talking about witcher 2 now 5 years later no sex cards...

[Primalrose]

Disliked The Witcher, especially its corny, sexist portrayal of women, repetitive combat and bad pacing issues. Witcher 2 improved upon this but I've still played better games. Bioware games are the few where I can play great female characters, not to mention that arent all about big boobs and throwing herself at manly protagonists. 

Modifié par Primalrose, 06 avril 2012 - 01:25 .

[Sporothrix]

Skyline45 wrote...

I know theres already a topic on this but it has since been derail thanks to "The Anrgy One" getting into some stupid Feminisme BS... (BTW The Witcher is based off of Novels. Therefore your argument is and will always be invaild.)

Have you even read Sapkowski's novels? He's left winger and his books contain also feminist issues. While Witcher the game (first one, don't know about 2) turned into a game about scoring women and "subjugating" (exactly such word in polish was used) one strong female character.

As Sapkowski said, he cuts off himself from everything that is in the game and won't take game story into consideration if he decided to write continuation.

[wolfsite]

Have only seen two games from them, both being the same pretty much, and frankly they were un impresive with no likable characters and rather questionable views on gender and equality.

However GOG is great and companies should look to this as a standard for delivering game content.

[CroGamer002]

No.

[sorentoft]

Those games would never really run on my computer. Sad face.

[tateel99]

The Angry One wrote...

Skyline45 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Oh, did my comments sting that much? Witcher fanboys are cute.

No your entitled to your opinion, but you did derail the topic

And you thought you'd make a new topic by mentioning the derailment specifically, thus increasing the chances that this topic will be derailed to.
Your logic astounds me.

I'm ok with being cute. Can I stay that way even if you don't like the The Witcher games? I promise to respect your opinions and choices.

[Qutayba]

I think the Witcher series is very solid, and CD Projekt is a very promising company. They have bold priorities that I hope they retain. Their independence lets them blow off the more annoying features in the industry like DRM.

To be fair, though, I think the gender critique sticks (even though the rampant sexism has as much to do with the source novels as the developer's choices). It is very clearly aimed at a male audience, and you don't have to be a feminist to see that.

I enjoyed the heck out of those games, and while the sensitive guy in me squirmed a little at the sex cards, I kind of just ignored them or treated them as a humorous stereotype (some of the situations that could lead to sex were actually kind of funny and seemed to poke fun at the Geralt character).

But their approach to choices and consequences in a bounded story owes a lot to BioWare, and they do some great things with it. There aren't many developers that really take that approach to RPG, and I hope they'll be sticking around for a long time.

[EmGo]

Go Polish guys! lol

We will see what happened.

[Bhaal]

Qutayba wrote...

But their approach to choices and consequences in a bounded story owes a lot to BioWare BlackIsle, and they do some great things with it. There aren't many developers that really take that approach to RPG, and I hope they'll be sticking around for a long time.

[Vhalkyrie]

The Angry One wrote...

Skyline45 wrote...

It is when the arguments that are used are relating to a story that is fictional.

I merely pointed out that TW1's sex cards were juvenile.. and they are.

Agreed.

[Silmane]

Primalrose wrote...

Disliked The Witcher, especially its corny, sexist portrayal of women, repetitive combat and bad pacing issues. Witcher 2 improved upon this but I've still played better games. Bioware games are the few where I can play great female characters, not to mention that arent all about big boobs and throwing herself at manly protagonists. 

Everyone in ME3 got a boobjob.

[Sporothrix]

Qutayba wrote...

To be fair, though, I think the gender critique sticks (even though the rampant sexism has as much to do with the source novels as the developer's choices). It is very clearly aimed at a male audience, and you don't have to be a feminist to see that.

No, it has very little to do with source novels. In fact, in Poland those novels have strong female fanbase. 

[Skyline45]

sorentoft wrote...

Those games would never really run on my computer. Sad face.

^The first Witcher should. It's kind of old xD lol

[Johanna]

Dendio1 wrote...

pants witch wrote...

For guys, maybe.  A game that includes... sex cards... just isn't my thing.  Sorry.

Edit: Ah, I see this has already been touched on.  Mea culpa.

Get off the sex cards. Thats witcher 1 back in 2007. we are talking about witcher 2 now 5 years later no sex cards...

No, heh, I won't get off the sex cards.  They're hilariously bad, and so are the "love scenes" that precede them.  I understand how Geralt's wooing ways might appeal to teenaged boys, but I'm a grown woman.  The lovin' in either Witcher game is a joke, and more than enough to prevent me from taking either game seriously.

I'm sure it's fun and all, but... Nah.  Not for me.  And CDP is certainly not another BioWare.  BioWare, if they care about nothing else, does care about the diversity of its fanbase. 

Modifié par pants witch, 06 avril 2012 - 01:45 .

[PsyrenY]

lmao Witcher fans.

lol