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[danteliveson]

Only one romance option?? **** that!!

[Skyline45]

"Sorry I didnt mean to be so insulting Hence why I edited my post, and if
you meant to say that this is just old news you should of said so
instead of calling for Mr Woo to close my thread where I think a very
healthy debate is taking place on the future of bnoth Bioware and CD
Projekt."


Wow what I said just completly went over your head huh.... Thats ok. You opinion is valued ^.^

You should read next time

Modifié par Skyline45, 06 avril 2012 - 02:52 .

[Skyline45]

danteliveson wrote...

Only one romance option?? **** that!!

No there are a lot of them, but people seem to cant get over the fact Geralt is kind of man ****.....

Modifié par Skyline45, 06 avril 2012 - 02:51 .

[bryan12112]

Can't we all just get along?

*sobs uncontrollably*

[Kyrick]

Zkyire wrote...

lucidfox wrote...

Skyline45 wrote...

I know theres already a topic on this but it has since been derail thanks to "The Anrgy One" getting into some stupid Feminisme BS...

Feminism isn't BS.

Feminism is not relevant in Western society anymore. Women have equal legal rights, and in many cases have greater social protections on top of that.

It's time to move on.

Ignorance is apparently a wonderful thing and full of bliss.  Go check how much women make in the same positions when compared to men.  Or how many positions are occupied by women compared to men when the women are more qualified (speaking of hiring).  Or how many games like 'The Witcher' are made that objectify women.  Find any games or stories that objectify men in the same way?  Can you find ONE that does that in modern culture and is advertised and well-known like 'The Witcher'?  How about just how women are currently being ignored entirely in the various health care debates in the States right now?  Women have had some strides in equality, but anybody who thinks they're remotely equal to men is just laughably obtuse and ignorant.

[panzerwzh]

Laurencio wrote...

I never assumed or said that they treated fans like crap. Nor have I said anything bad about them. I've said that the fascination and "love" surrounding CD Projekt is a fairly recent concept, which is mostly based in how they've handled The Witcher 2.

Good, my point is at least try to gether some facts of the wticher series before make arguments about them. The assumed crap treatment towards fans aka "artistic interigity" is only my expression of anger, and I'm sorry to bring that up. Finally, the "love" of CDPR or "hatred" towards Bioware started from release of DA2. which was another tragedy not that long ago.

[Bio Addict]

It's two very different flavors of RPG. IMHO Bioware seems to preference customization of the player character while CDP favors customization of the narrative. I can and do enjoy both approaches.

[danteliveson]

Skyline45 wrote...

danteliveson wrote...

Only one romance option?? **** that!!

No there are a lot of them, but people seem to cant get over the fact Geralt is kind of man ****.....

Who wants to play as a man ****??

[nitefyre410]

Skyline45 wrote...

danteliveson wrote...

Only one romance option?? **** that!!

No there are a lot of them, but people seem to cant get over the fact Geralt is kind of man ****.....

 

wait and Shepards not..

Asari, Quarian,  human male and female...   

[panzerwzh]

danteliveson wrote...

Skyline45 wrote...

danteliveson wrote...

Only one romance option?? **** that!!

No there are a lot of them, but people seem to cant get over the fact Geralt is kind of man ****.....

Who wants to play as a man ****??

Geralt only has one soul-mate and lots of sexy "encounters" which established a pretty mature "social network" for player.

[AntonioA9011]

Skyline45 wrote...



"Sorry I didnt mean to be so insulting Hence why I edited my post, and if
you meant to say that this is just old news you should of said so
instead of calling for Mr Woo to close my thread where I think a very
healthy debate is taking place on the future of bnoth Bioware and CD
Projekt."


Wow what I said just completly went over your head huh.... Thats ok. You opinion is valued ^.^

You should read next time

Oh, don't worry, Mr. Woo will read it.

[badd88]

Kyrick wrote...

Sir! You've convinced me! Convinced me to never support this particular studio if you are the type of fan that it attracts.

The Witcher is one of the most flawed games I've seen. The misogynistic elements alone grant it a spot in the video game hall of shame. To have somebody who apparently feels that treating women as more than sex objects is 'bs' (though the word you are trying to spell is 'feminism'. Dictionaries and learning are fun!) is more than enough to turn me (and likely anybody else with a functional brain) right off the studio altogether.

Go shill for some company that lets you jack off to pixels somewhere else. People with standards will continue to try finding studios that make reasonable narrative that isn't relying on wildly misogynistic narrative that attracts people like you who believe standing up for the rights of women to be treated equally is 'bs'.

What the hell are you talking about? Are you even played the game? The only difference between Witcher and ME series in treating women is that instead of "sex scenes" Witcher actually gives you sex scenes. Or sex cards in case of first game. And btw, please tell me that Diane Allers in ME3 is something more than a sex object.

[Zkyire]

Kyrick wrote...

Zkyire wrote...

lucidfox wrote...

Skyline45 wrote...

I know theres already a topic on this but it has since been derail thanks to "The Anrgy One" getting into some stupid Feminisme BS...

Feminism isn't BS.

Feminism is not relevant in Western society anymore. Women have equal legal rights, and in many cases have greater social protections on top of that.

It's time to move on.

Ignorance is apparently a wonderful thing and full of bliss.  Go check how much women make in the same positions when compared to men.  Or how many positions are occupied by women compared to men when the women are more qualified (speaking of hiring).  Or how many games like 'The Witcher' are made that objectify women.  Find any games or stories that objectify men in the same way?  Can you find ONE that does that in modern culture and is advertised and well-known like 'The Witcher'?  How about just how women are currently being ignored entirely in the various health care debates in the States right now?  Women have had some strides in equality, but anybody who thinks they're remotely equal to men is just laughably obtuse and ignorant.

Women and men earn the exact same as each other in the exact same positions.

Those "studies" are total BS. Rather than actually saying "a male nurse and a female nurse each make X amount" they instead say things like "in the health care field". Which is a skewed perception as more men choose to become doctors than nurses. And more women choose to become nurses than doctors. And yes, it is a choice, nobody forces them to become nurses. So then the studies will ignore the fact that there are more male doctors and that doctors (regardless of gender) make more money than nurses, and then say ".. in the health care field" as a broad brush stroke to make it seem like women are being unfairly paid.

Also, just FYI, it is ILLEGAL to pay men and women different salaries for the same job.


Point of reference for this I'm doing an Honours Bsc in Social Policy and Criminological Studies. So we've covered these "reports" in great length.


Finally, The Witcher series is why feminism should exist? Heaven forbid there is a story about an established heterosexual male character who decides his own fate, regardless of what other people think. We can't have that, can we?


Reply to this or don't, I've said what I have to say.

[Mister Mida]

Kyrick wrote...
Women have had some strides in equality, but anybody who thinks they're remotely equal to men is just laughably obtuse and ignorant.

You're right. Women have no equal rights to men. In some cases, they have more rights than men. Just look at child custody cases, women assaulting men and such.

Feminism is fine, but selective feminism is just as crap (if not more) as inequality.

[panzerwzh]

Mister Mida wrote...

You're right. Women have no equal rights to men. In some cases, they have more rights than men. Just look at child custody cases, women assaulting men and such.

Feminism is fine, but selective feminism is just as crap (if not more) as inequality.

Second it!

[Annora]

Zkyire wrote...

Women and men earn the exact same as each other in the exact same positions.

Those "studies" are total BS. Rather than actually saying "a male nurse and a female nurse each make X amount" they instead say things like "in the health care field". Which is a skewed perception as more men choose to become doctors than nurses. And more women choose to become nurses than doctors. And yes, it is a choice, nobody forces them to become nurses. So then the studies will ignore the fact that there are more male doctors and that doctors (regardless of gender) make more money than nurses, and then say ".. in the health care field" as a broad brush stroke to make it seem like women are being unfairly paid.

Also, just FYI, it is ILLEGAL to pay men and women different salaries for the same job.


Point of reference for this I'm doing an Honours Bsc in Social Policy and Criminological Studies. So we've covered these "reports" in great length.


Finally, The Witcher series is why feminism should exist? Heaven forbid there is a story about an established heterosexual male character who decides his own fate, regardless of what other people think. We can't have that, can we?


Reply to this or don't, I've said what I have to say.

You completely glossed over reproductive rights, though. I'm pretty sure feminism still has a place in a society where men are still telling women what they can and cannot do with their own bodies. When men tell women that birth control shall not be covered by health insurance because it's "immoral." Western society is not all sunshine and rainbows and equality for everyone, no matter how much you wish it were so.

We have a long way to go still.

[Aweus]

Kyrick wrote...

Zkyire wrote...

lucidfox wrote...

Skyline45 wrote...

I know theres already a topic on this but it has since been derail thanks to "The Anrgy One" getting into some stupid Feminisme BS...

Feminism isn't BS.

Feminism is not relevant in Western society anymore. Women have equal legal rights, and in many cases have greater social protections on top of that.

It's time to move on.

Ignorance is apparently a wonderful thing and full of bliss.  Go check how much women make in the same positions when compared to men.  Or how many positions are occupied by women compared to men when the women are more qualified (speaking of hiring).  Or how many games like 'The Witcher' are made that objectify women.  Find any games or stories that objectify men in the same way?  Can you find ONE that does that in modern culture and is advertised and well-known like 'The Witcher'?  How about just how women are currently being ignored entirely in the various health care debates in the States right now?  Women have had some strides in equality, but anybody who thinks they're remotely equal to men is just laughably obtuse and ignorant.

Social and economic barriers are one thing and you are probably right about this. My support on that. But "objectifying women"? If anything, we need more objectifying  If you feel that there are not enough hot looking half naked males in the media than more power to you. I will not feel bad if more chippendales will stare at me from billboards and TV. We are still animals after all. Sex is a natural thing tied to being an animal. Objectifying is a natural thing tied to sex. You can sexualy objectify me or other guys if you want, I dont care. And I will keep objectifying women in my head as well. If they dont want to then dont go outside with a naked ass. I somehow doubt pixel-girls from games will mind what boys think about them however. 

[panzerwzh]

bryan12112 wrote...

Can't we all just get along?

*sobs uncontrollably*

Hear,hear!

[Complistic]

Skyline45 wrote...

danteliveson wrote...

Only one romance option?? **** that!!

No there are a lot of them, but people seem to cant get over the fact Geralt is kind of man ****.....

If you were infertile and immune to diseases you'd probably have a lot of sex too. but really almost all the sex is optional.

Modifié par Complistic, 06 avril 2012 - 03:11 .

[Sporothrix]

Zkyire wrote...

Women and men earn the exact same as each other in the exact same positions.

LOL. And then you say studies which show otherwise are 'total BS' and present your lack of understanding of statistics.
Sorry, you've missed it's new era - now like minded men try to pretend it's women's fault that they earn less for exactly same work (that seemingly "women are more timid than men and are afraid to ask for more"), not spread lies that are already completely debunked.

Modifié par misoretu9, 06 avril 2012 - 03:19 .

[whichwitch]

Wow...did this go off the rails fast!

Back to the original subject. Loved Witcher 1 will have part 2 on the 17th. I am not a space fan hence why I didn't start ME until they gave me a free copy of ME2 with my DAII, now I own all 3.

CD Project, I believe used to translate and distribute Bioware games way back when for the polish language. They also are building a new engine for the upcoming games they have in the works and hiring a whole new team to work on them, so as not to take away from the Witcher team. Just some trivia to add to the game part of this discussion.

[panzerwzh]

Complistic wrote...

If you were infertile and immune to diseases you'd probably have a lot of sex too. but really almost all the sex is optional.

That is why Yennefer is Geralt's true love, their relationship has already extened to a spiritual level + parental love toward Ciri. 

[Skyline45]

(Double post)

Modifié par Skyline45, 06 avril 2012 - 03:26 .

[Myrmedus]

Beliyaal wrote...

Skyline45 wrote...
I only think its BS when people use it in a argument that is relating to FICTIONAL material. Im my opinion this isnt helping the cause in the real world. Just making your cause more invalid.

As a student of literature and a writer...what? The stories we tell shape our culture and our society. They're not just irrelevant gibberish, they're part of what makes us, collectively, who we are. Why the hell wouldn't stories be subject to critique from a feminist viewpoint? Cultural depictions of women, gender relations, and sexuality are some of the most relevant possible things to the "cause". 

The flipside of that is that you don't get to declare yourself immune to criticism just because "it's fiction". If fiction didn't matter to you, you wouldn't be here, and you certainly wouldn't be upset over the ending of a fictional video game.

Find a new dismissal.

Feminism is bull**** because it is just another form of segregation and is a narrow viewpoint of equality purely from one perspective. Even worse it's one where the women following it don't even realise the inherent segregation.

If you are of opinion and belief that both sexes should be treated equally, which is a worthwhile and admirable belief, then you should be championing something beyond just your own personal involvements like Egalitarianism rather than a mere narrow fragment of that which is Feminism.

When there are movements like Egalitarianism which aspire for equality for all peoples: men, women, rich, poor, 'low' class, 'high' class, black, white etc. those that follow Feminism simply come across as a bunch of people who don't give a rats ass about any other form of equality in the world except the one that personally involves them. Whether that's right or wrong, that's why such people often face antagonism.

Modifié par Myrmedus, 06 avril 2012 - 03:24 .

[Kulthar Drax]

Skyline45 wrote...

Titles says it all pretty much.

I know theres already a topic on this but it has since been derail thanks to "The Anrgy One" getting into some stupid Feminisme BS... (BTW The Witcher is based off of Novels. Therefore your argument is and will always be invaild.)

Really? I mean...really? I read your whole post, and you don't really make that good a case for it. Sure, the Witcher might be a good game (never played it so don't know), but you're not exactly helping yourself or your argument by slinging insulting remarks like "stupid feminism BS" in your post, followed by "therefore your argument is and always will be invalid".

Granted, the "invalid" argument part is specifically directed at the fact it is based off novels, but simply saying someone's argument is invalid no matter what they say is a surefire way to get people angry with you.