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[Myrmedus]

misoretu9 wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

Feminism is bull**** because it is just another form of segregation and is a narrow viewpoint of equality purely from one perspective. Even worse it's one where the women following it don't even realise the inherent segregation.

If science would not be divided into particular fields, there would never be any scientific progress.

And IMO that's what such opinions are all about - let's pretend we're all happy and equal and have the same rights, hopefully thanks to using such PC stance and calling any attempts to improve lives of any opressed group as "segregation", nothing will change, since you can't help everyone at the sime time, so you have to choose object of focus. 

The difference with the separate scientific fields is that they are not at odds with one another.

I also find it funny that the focus group is always the group that the individual belongs to rather than the focus group who is worst off.

Aka: Selfishness.

Modifié par Myrmedus, 06 avril 2012 - 04:01 .

[Complistic]

luzburg wrote...

i got to act 3 i think in The wicher 2 then i lost intrest but it was a good game
before i quit playing i used all the cash on prostitudes

If you got to act 3 you're like 2 hours from the end of the game. Until that EE comes out which is adding 4+ hours to act 3 alone. 

[Myrmedus]

Anastassia wrote...

misoretu9 wrote...

If science would not be divided into particular fields, there would never be any scientific progress.

And IMO that's what such opinions are all about - let's pretend we're all happy and equal and have the same rights, hopefully thanks to using such PC stance and calling any attempts to improve lives of any opressed group as "segregation", nothing will change, since you can't help everyone at the sime time, so you have to choose object of focus. 

Indeed. I find it odd that neither of them responded to the reproductive rights issues that women still face in this Western society, bastion of equality and rainbows.

Shall we bring up rape and how it's primarily a violent act against women? How everyone's gut-reaction to a rape trial is to blame the victim? How it's just as prevalent in Western culture as it is in third-world countries? Shall we bring up the overwhelming number of untested rape kits in our law enforcement?

The entire world has a long way to go, even us.

You realise that's mostly because it's legally impossible to rape a man?

[Vhalkyrie]

misoretu9 wrote...

panzerwzh wrote...

Furthermore, I really can not understand why criticizing TW series for insulting feminism?
The series has successfully established Philippa Eilhart - the most independent and powerful female character I ever seen in a video game. Her determination and strategy puts Wrex in shame. Her ambition and manipulation skill make Aria T'Loak likes an teenager.

She's a character from novels. And like I said, novels' writer is left winger and often introduced feminist issues. 

And with first sentence, go ask OP - he tried to offend one gamer who said that 'Witcher 1 with its sex cards was juvenile' by saying she's "getting into some stupid Feminisme BS".

BTW, as I see he removed it from the original post.

You know, after playing the Witcher 1, I wasn't interested in reading the books because frankly, women are portrayed badly in the game.  Triss and Shani are supposed to be strong women, yet they both find themselves in damsel in distress situations, plus having a conversation with them in their nightgowns is absurd.  All of the other casual sex partners he is presented with are tarts. I can't honestly see a reason why they would throw themselves at Geralt the way they do, except for the prostitutes.

I figured if it was based on the books, I didn't really want to read them.  Now I'm hearing that the books are different, it has me interested.

[RazorrX]

The original books are quite fun to read. I like how The Witcher universe takes fairy tales and twists them (the snow white tale is quite fun to me).

I have hopes for the sci fi game as well as the new fantasy franchise that some of the (former?) devs are making (about the world with the dead god body making mountains).

Now if Obsidian would just get their ducks in a row and actually live up to the potential they have.

[Sporothrix]

panzerwzh wrote...

Sorry, her name only metioned in TW1 and her character is established in TW2, by the CDPR then accepted by Novel writer. So, before making any further judgment, please try to read the novel or play though TW series.

No, she was in "Blood of elves" book (part of Sapkowski's Witcher saga) way before. And Sapkowski doesn't care about anything that happens in the game.

[Myrmedus]

Vhalkyrie wrote...

misoretu9 wrote...

panzerwzh wrote...

Furthermore, I really can not understand why criticizing TW series for insulting feminism?
The
series has successfully established Philippa Eilhart - the most
independent and powerful female character I ever seen in a video game.
Her determination and strategy puts Wrex in shame. Her ambition and
manipulation skill make Aria T'Loak likes an teenager.

She's a character from novels. And like I said, novels' writer is left winger and often introduced feminist issues. 

And
with first sentence, go ask OP - he tried to offend one gamer who said
that 'Witcher 1 with its sex cards was juvenile' by saying she's
"getting into some stupid Feminisme BS".

BTW, as I see he removed it from the original post.

You
know, after playing the Witcher 1, I wasn't interested in reading the
books because frankly, women are portrayed badly in the game.  Triss and
Shani are supposed to be strong women, yet they both find themselves in
damsel in distress situations, plus having a conversation with them in
their nightgowns is absurd.  All of the other casual sex partners he is
presented with are tarts. I can't honestly see a reason why they would
throw themselves at Geralt the way they do, except for the prostitutes.

I
figured if it was based on the books, I didn't really want to read
them.  Now I'm hearing that the books are different, it has me
interested.

Well, apparently, they throw themselves at him because as a witcher he's a good lay, basically.

Yes, I don't like this side of the games either, but it's not as bad in TW2 to be honest. The game starts off with you in bed beside Triss but besides that you don't have to engage in any romantic involvement whatsoever, which I personally didn't as they all feel quite cheap.

Then again, CDP is Norweigen so what else to expect! *grins*

Modifié par Myrmedus, 06 avril 2012 - 04:11 .

[Annora]

Myrmedus wrote...

You realise that's mostly because it's legally impossible to rape a man?

"Legally impossible"? Uh, no. It is possible to rape a man, and men are raped, which is why making jokes about what happens to men in prison is absolutely disgusting and offensive. It's just when compared to the sheer volume of women that are raped, it's a small percentage. It's a horrific act that leaves scars that never fully heal.

[PorcelynDoll]

Complistic wrote...

PorcelynDoll wrote...

I'm reserving judgement until they put out an rpg without a set character. I just can't play set characters (male or female). I have watched the cinematics for both Witchers and I quite liked them even though the children models scared me lol.

If the set character is stopping you from playing it you really need to force yourself to play through tw2 once and see for yourself. There are a lot of positives to having a semi defined character in a narrative. 

Really? Just skip over the first one? It's something to consider and I have been thinking about it for a while. My biggest thing is I want to shape the personality of a character and I'm still not sure if Witcher allows this or if Geralt is a set personality that you can't affect in any large way.

[Myrmedus]

Anastassia wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

You realise that's mostly because it's legally impossible to rape a man?

"Legally impossible"? Uh, no. It is possible to rape a man, and men are raped, which is why making jokes about what happens to men in prison is absolutely disgusting and offensive. It's just when compared to the sheer volume of women that are raped, it's a small percentage. It's a horrific act that leaves scars that never fully heal.

In truth, perhaps I should rephrase. It's legally impossible for a woman to commit rape. There is no legislation for women raping in Western society. The crime literally does not exist. The worst a woman can be charged with is sexual harassment.

Modifié par Myrmedus, 06 avril 2012 - 04:14 .

[panzerwzh]

My heart belongs to Black Isle. But I admit Fallout 1& 2 are really not female friendly, but not one could deny they are epic RPGs. And the wasteland2 project brings hope to traditional RPG.

[trembli0s]

I don't understand why people disliked TW2.

The game actually HAD choices that are grey instead of the spoon-fed **** that Bioware usually gives you. The Mass Effect story was great but the intellectual depth was incredibly shallow.

It has always been "Nice guy answer" or "Dick Answer" in Bioware games. I agonized over decisions I made playing TW and TW2 because the decisions actually have BIG impacts.

I think people had a lot of issues with the difficulty because most games today (inlcuding ME3) are facerollabley easy.

Modifié par trembli0s, 06 avril 2012 - 04:14 .

[Annora]

Myrmedus wrote...

It's legally impossible. There is no legislation for raping men in Western society. The crime literally does not exist. The worst a woman can be charged with is sexual harassment.

Women don't generally rape men, and a woman can be charged with statuatory rape for underage boys. Men rape men.

[Myrmedus]

Anastassia wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

It's legally impossible. There is no legislation for raping men in Western society. The crime literally does not exist. The worst a woman can be charged with is sexual harassment.

Women don't generally rape men, and a woman can be charged with statuatory rape for underage boys. Men rape men.

No offence but this is a ridiculous statement.

You wouldn't know if women rape men because women cannot be charged with rape. I mean literally: CANNOT. The capacity does not exist in Western legislation and I can quote the legislative definition of rape to you if you wish. Statuatory rape is, like you say, about the only thing they can be charged with.

A woman can literally do anything she wants to a man, or another woman, and at the most she will be charged with sexual harassment. I'm sorry but given that it's hard for me to see how women have the bone-end of the deal here.

Honestly, the tone of the part "women don't generally rape men" coming from your post right now is typical of most women who go down the rape route in any argument:

"Men are big, scary monsters."
"Women are innocent and defenceless."
"Men do all the bad things, us women are good girls...."
"Plz save me from the bad men."

It just gives the tone of us vs. them which is the entire problem I was referring to with Feminism as a concept: there is no us vs. them and people with that attitude have a huge chip on their shoulder. And, before you say I'm partial, I believe the same goes for those who follow Masculinism like a fair few men in the "Fathers for Justice" campaign group.

Quit segregating and splintering people. There are good people and there are bad people. Some are men, some are women. Some are violent and some are insidious. Some are black, some are white, some are asian etc.

Modifié par Myrmedus, 06 avril 2012 - 04:26 .

[Gordulan]

It is a pretty interesting idea however, they certainly have the potential to fill BioWare's boots. It certainly is going to be interesting what the future holds for CDProjektRed, as GOG gives them some decent profits (considering it is owned by them).
It would be interesting however on how they will pull off the FPS they have on the draftboard.
Supposedly it is going to be story-driven.
I did a bit of checking around and even if this is WikiPedia, which in most cases should be taken with a ladleful of salt this makes for a short and somewhat interesting read.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/They_%28video_game%29

Modifié par Gordulan, 06 avril 2012 - 04:15 .

[Vhalkyrie]

PorcelynDoll wrote...

Really? Just skip over the first one? It's something to consider and I have been thinking about it for a while. My biggest thing is I want to shape the personality of a character and I'm still not sure if Witcher allows this or if Geralt is a set personality that you can't affect in any large way.

You can shape Geralt.  I haven't played Witcher 2 yet, but the choices Geralt makes (or doesn't) are quite interesting.  At various stages of the game, you are shown the consequence of something that happened several stages back.  You can make him someone who uses his Witcher's role to help others, or as a selfish mercenary for hire.  Some of them seemed to be minor decisions that I didn't think anything of, then was shocked by the ripple effect that made it major.  As a female gamer, my suggestion to get past the immature sex cards is to look at it as an unflattering portrayal of a male mindset who enjoys that.  If it wasn't for that aspect, I would more easily recommend it to others.

Modifié par Vhalkyrie, 06 avril 2012 - 04:19 .

[Myrmedus]

Vhalkyrie wrote...

PorcelynDoll wrote...

Really? Just skip over the first one? It's something to consider and I have been thinking about it for a while. My biggest thing is I want to shape the personality of a character and I'm still not sure if Witcher allows this or if Geralt is a set personality that you can't affect in any large way.

You can shape Geralt.  I haven't played Witcher 2 yet, but the choices Geralt makes (or doesn't) are quite interesting.  At various stages of the game, you are shown the consequence of something that happened several stages back.  Some of them seemed to be minor decisions that I didn't think anything of, then was shocked by the ripple effect that made it major.  As a female gamer, my suggestion to get past the immature sex cards is to look at it as an unflattering portrayal of a male mindset who enjoys that.  If it wasn't for that aspect, I would more easily recommend it to others.

The sex cards suck in TW1, definitely (though you can opt out of doing those dirty, unspeakable things!) but the ending is definitely one of the best twists I've seen in a video-game.

And besides, us gamer guys who sit inside our homes all the time and have about as much intimate contact with the opposite sex as a monk need something!

That was a joke.

Modifié par Myrmedus, 06 avril 2012 - 04:19 .

[panzerwzh]

misoretu9 wrote...

panzerwzh wrote...

Sorry, her name only metioned in TW1 and her character is established in TW2, by the CDPR then accepted by Novel writer. So, before making any further judgment, please try to read the novel or play though TW series.

No, she was in "Blood of elves" book (part of Sapkowski's Witcher saga) way before. And Sapkowski doesn't care about anything that happens in the game.

As I record  "Blood of elves" is about Geralt, Ciri and Yennefer, even Triss merigod only showed up in occation, therefore I cant remeber Phillpa play any significant role in the story, not to say established her character.

Modifié par panzerwzh, 06 avril 2012 - 04:24 .

[Complistic]

PorcelynDoll wrote...

Complistic wrote...

PorcelynDoll wrote...

I'm reserving judgement until they put out an rpg without a set character. I just can't play set characters (male or female). I have watched the cinematics for both Witchers and I quite liked them even though the children models scared me lol.

If the set character is stopping you from playing it you really need to force yourself to play through tw2 once and see for yourself. There are a lot of positives to having a semi defined character in a narrative. 

Really? Just skip over the first one? It's something to consider and I have been thinking about it for a while. My biggest thing is I want to shape the personality of a character and I'm still not sure if Witcher allows this or if Geralt is a set personality that you can't affect in any large way.

The stories are almost entirely self contained. And you do get to mold geralt's personality and decisions. But he's still a monster slayer and he has a past and previous identity that is set. Anyways, ya skip the first game. The second one is completely different. I like both games for what they are but I can completely understand how the first game might turn people off. It's pretty different in the way it goes about things and the production values are incredibly low. 

[Annora]

Myrmedus wrote...

No offence but this is a ridiculous statement.

You wouldn't know if women rape men because women cannot be charged with rape. I mean literally: CANNOT. The capacity does not exist in Western legislation and I can quote the legislative definition of rape to you if you wish. Statuatory rape is, like you say, about the only thing they can be charged with.

A woman can literally do anything she wants to a man, or another woman, and at the most she will be charged with sexual harassment. I'm sorry but given that it's hard for me to see how women have the bone-end of the deal here.

In my country, the word 'rape' is not used in any case. It's sexual assault, and it's gender-blind. That's the law. It doesn't stop that sexual assault from being rape, however.

[JustifiablyDefenestrated]

Complistic wrote...

TexasToast712 wrote...

 The Witcher series sucks. You can't even change your appearance or play as a female.

That's just plain ignorant.  I suppose you think 98% of the games that come out suck then?

The actual number is only 95%

Dogs and Smurfs, people. Dogs and smurfs.

http://maxbarry.com/...07/08/news.html

People have a right to be upset that "95%" of games have set male protagonists. Of course they do.

And, btw, feminism =/= missandry. Feminism is a form of egalitarianism. All it's trying to do is establish a baseline where men and women fairly.  Honestly, if you're anti-feminist, or even if you are neutral about feminism, you are 1) incredibly close-minded,  2) sexist, and 3) probably not going to respond well to this post.

Just because the Witcher is based off of an actual series of books doesn't mean it's not sexist. And just because a whole lot of games represent (or misrepresent) women in a similar way, doesn't mean that they aren't sexist either.

It's not a matter of whether or not these games are sexist.

They are.

It's a question of what we can do about it.

[PorcelynDoll]

Myrmedus wrote...

Vhalkyrie wrote...

PorcelynDoll wrote...

Really? Just skip over the first one? It's something to consider and I have been thinking about it for a while. My biggest thing is I want to shape the personality of a character and I'm still not sure if Witcher allows this or if Geralt is a set personality that you can't affect in any large way.

You can shape Geralt.  I haven't played Witcher 2 yet, but the choices Geralt makes (or doesn't) are quite interesting.  At various stages of the game, you are shown the consequence of something that happened several stages back.  Some of them seemed to be minor decisions that I didn't think anything of, then was shocked by the ripple effect that made it major.  As a female gamer, my suggestion to get past the immature sex cards is to look at it as an unflattering portrayal of a male mindset who enjoys that.  If it wasn't for that aspect, I would more easily recommend it to others.

The sex cards suck in TW1, definitely (though you can opt out of doing those dirty, unspeakable things!) but the ending is definitely one of the best twists I've seen in a video-game.

And besides, us gamer guys who sit inside our homes all the time and have about as much intimate contact with the opposite sex as a monk need something!

That was a joke.

lol, ok so I should give TW a go? Playing a nice person is important to me and the sex cards are juvinilee yes but i also find them a bit hillarious and I'm sure I can just bypass them. Geralt's a guy give him a break I say.

[Myrmedus]

Anastassia wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

No offence but this is a ridiculous statement.

You wouldn't know if women rape men because women cannot be charged with rape. I mean literally: CANNOT. The capacity does not exist in Western legislation and I can quote the legislative definition of rape to you if you wish. Statuatory rape is, like you say, about the only thing they can be charged with.

A woman can literally do anything she wants to a man, or another woman, and at the most she will be charged with sexual harassment. I'm sorry but given that it's hard for me to see how women have the bone-end of the deal here.

In my country, the word 'rape' is not used in any case. It's sexual assault, and it's gender-blind. That's the law. It doesn't stop that sexual assault from being rape, however.

And which country is that? Judging my your inclusion of "Statuatory Rape" which doesn't exist in Europe it sounds like the US or Canada? If that is the case it does exist O.o

[Sporothrix]

Myrmedus wrote...

The difference with the separate scientific fields is that they are not at odds with one another.

Neither do various equality movements. But if by 'odds' you mean that some issues get more care than others, then exactly the same happens with science - some fields are much better funded than others.

I also find it funny that the focus group is always the group that the individual belongs to rather than the focus group who is worst off.

Aka: Selfishness.

LOL, it's really not that hard to understand what you tried to insinuate.

And your opinion is pretty much debunked by a fact that for example, feminist movements contain many men.

Really, it's just tired argument of "group that have it worst" -  "stop trying to make women's lifes in US/UK/Poland/wherever better, women in Iran have real troubles. Of course, such person doesn't care about troubles of women in Iran, he just tries to stop those movements in his own country.

[Annora]

Myrmedus wrote...

And which country is that? Judging my your inclusion of "Statuatory Rape" which doesn't exist in Europe it sounds like the US or Canada? If that is the case it does exist O.o

Canada. The language they use in our laws is 'sexual assault.'