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[Myrmedus]

PorcelynDoll wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

Vhalkyrie wrote...

PorcelynDoll wrote...

Really? Just skip over the first one? It's something to consider and I have been thinking about it for a while. My biggest thing is I want to shape the personality of a character and I'm still not sure if Witcher allows this or if Geralt is a set personality that you can't affect in any large way.

You can shape Geralt.  I haven't played Witcher 2 yet, but the choices Geralt makes (or doesn't) are quite interesting.  At various stages of the game, you are shown the consequence of something that happened several stages back.  Some of them seemed to be minor decisions that I didn't think anything of, then was shocked by the ripple effect that made it major.  As a female gamer, my suggestion to get past the immature sex cards is to look at it as an unflattering portrayal of a male mindset who enjoys that.  If it wasn't for that aspect, I would more easily recommend it to others.

The sex cards suck in TW1, definitely (though you can opt out of doing those dirty, unspeakable things!) but the ending is definitely one of the best twists I've seen in a video-game.

And besides, us gamer guys who sit inside our homes all the time and have about as much intimate contact with the opposite sex as a monk need something!

That was a joke.

lol, ok so I should give TW a go? Playing a nice person is important to me and the sex cards are juvinilee yes but i also find them a bit hillarious and I'm sure I can just bypass them. Geralt's a guy give him a break I say.

I think you should. I also think there's only one obligatory sex card in the game, that's all.

And I think it's a damn great game and I played it years after its release. Geralt generally is a good guy but he's quite neutral in terms of politics etc. which is his doctrine as a Witcher. TW has a really thickly-veined story and political/moral landscape, there's a great deal of depth in it and alot of themes which force you into difficult decisions.

[uzivatel]

Yeah, I loved Rise of the White Wolf on my 360...

[Myrmedus]

Anastassia wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

And which country is that? Judging my your inclusion of "Statuatory Rape" which doesn't exist in Europe it sounds like the US or Canada? If that is the case it does exist O.o

Canada. The language they use in our laws is 'sexual assault.'

Then I eat a small amount of humble pie because at least you guys over there have got your finger out and made the law fair.

However, on the bigger picture, the whole debacle with female immunity to Rape (U.S., U.K, Europe etc.) is just an example of how it's not all one way in terms of gender-based inequality.

I honestly believe following feminism or masculinism blinds you, or at least desensitizes you, to the inequalities and injustices in other regards. That is honestly why alot of feminists get a bad rep: it comes across as self-interest only.

Modifié par Myrmedus, 06 avril 2012 - 04:34 .

[zsom]

Nah.. Bioware is making games for a more mature audience (or at least they are trying), while the target group of CDPR are 17 yo males.

You do know what a 17 yo boy is like, right? The best we can expect of them is more softcore porn with RPG elements.

[Complistic]

PorcelynDoll wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

Vhalkyrie wrote...

PorcelynDoll wrote...

Really? Just skip over the first one? It's something to consider and I have been thinking about it for a while. My biggest thing is I want to shape the personality of a character and I'm still not sure if Witcher allows this or if Geralt is a set personality that you can't affect in any large way.

You can shape Geralt.  I haven't played Witcher 2 yet, but the choices Geralt makes (or doesn't) are quite interesting.  At various stages of the game, you are shown the consequence of something that happened several stages back.  Some of them seemed to be minor decisions that I didn't think anything of, then was shocked by the ripple effect that made it major.  As a female gamer, my suggestion to get past the immature sex cards is to look at it as an unflattering portrayal of a male mindset who enjoys that.  If it wasn't for that aspect, I would more easily recommend it to others.

The sex cards suck in TW1, definitely (though you can opt out of doing those dirty, unspeakable things!) but the ending is definitely one of the best twists I've seen in a video-game.

And besides, us gamer guys who sit inside our homes all the time and have about as much intimate contact with the opposite sex as a monk need something!

That was a joke.

lol, ok so I should give TW a go? Playing a nice person is important to me and the sex cards are juvinilee yes but i also find them a bit hillarious and I'm sure I can just bypass them. Geralt's a guy give him a break I say.

I played a few hours of TW1 and stopped playing the first time I gave it a go. I didn't like it. Came back a few months later and tried it again and now it and the sequel are some of my favorite games ever. it takes a while for it to click. If you don't like TW1 which is entirely possible read a summary of it and just move on to TW2. I wouldn't say TW2 is simpler but it is way more user friendly. Though the plot IMO is quite a bit more complicated.

[ThatGuy39]

chiliztri wrote...

Nah, Obsidian is and has been the new BioWare to me.

 
 
Obsidian has a lot of Bioware's original developers (when they were Black Isle).

[Myrmedus]

Complistic wrote...

PorcelynDoll wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

Vhalkyrie wrote...

PorcelynDoll wrote...

Really? Just skip over the first one? It's something to consider and I have been thinking about it for a while. My biggest thing is I want to shape the personality of a character and I'm still not sure if Witcher allows this or if Geralt is a set personality that you can't affect in any large way.

You can shape Geralt.  I haven't played Witcher 2 yet, but the choices Geralt makes (or doesn't) are quite interesting.  At various stages of the game, you are shown the consequence of something that happened several stages back.  Some of them seemed to be minor decisions that I didn't think anything of, then was shocked by the ripple effect that made it major.  As a female gamer, my suggestion to get past the immature sex cards is to look at it as an unflattering portrayal of a male mindset who enjoys that.  If it wasn't for that aspect, I would more easily recommend it to others.

The sex cards suck in TW1, definitely (though you can opt out of doing those dirty, unspeakable things!) but the ending is definitely one of the best twists I've seen in a video-game.

And besides, us gamer guys who sit inside our homes all the time and have about as much intimate contact with the opposite sex as a monk need something!

That was a joke.

lol, ok so I should give TW a go? Playing a nice person is important to me and the sex cards are juvinilee yes but i also find them a bit hillarious and I'm sure I can just bypass them. Geralt's a guy give him a break I say.

I played a few hours of TW1 and stopped playing the first time I gave it a go. I didn't like it. Came back a few months later and tried it again and now it and the sequel are some of my favorite games ever. it takes a while for it to click. If you don't like TW1 which is entirely possible read a summary of it and just move on to TW2. I wouldn't say TW2 is simpler but it is way more user friendly. Though the plot IMO is quite a bit more complicated.

I'd like to add to this:

TW1 might take you a little getting used to. When I first played it I also didn't get sucked in immediately. The combat system is unusual and not mainstream at all. Stick with it though, it's worth it.

TW2 is alot easier to fall into, definitely.

[Vhalkyrie]

PorcelynDoll wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

Vhalkyrie wrote...

PorcelynDoll wrote...

Really? Just skip over the first one? It's something to consider and I have been thinking about it for a while. My biggest thing is I want to shape the personality of a character and I'm still not sure if Witcher allows this or if Geralt is a set personality that you can't affect in any large way.

You can shape Geralt.  I haven't played Witcher 2 yet, but the choices Geralt makes (or doesn't) are quite interesting.  At various stages of the game, you are shown the consequence of something that happened several stages back.  Some of them seemed to be minor decisions that I didn't think anything of, then was shocked by the ripple effect that made it major.  As a female gamer, my suggestion to get past the immature sex cards is to look at it as an unflattering portrayal of a male mindset who enjoys that.  If it wasn't for that aspect, I would more easily recommend it to others.

The sex cards suck in TW1, definitely (though you can opt out of doing those dirty, unspeakable things!) but the ending is definitely one of the best twists I've seen in a video-game.

And besides, us gamer guys who sit inside our homes all the time and have about as much intimate contact with the opposite sex as a monk need something!

That was a joke.

lol, ok so I should give TW a go? Playing a nice person is important to me and the sex cards are juvinilee yes but i also find them a bit hillarious and I'm sure I can just bypass them. Geralt's a guy give him a break I say.

Well, I'll be honest with you.  I almost didn't finish the game because Chapter I ticked me off with the very poor handling of female characters.  But I'm glad I stuck with it because the choice twists don't really get rolling until later in, and then wow.  I played my Geralt as faithful to Triss, and ignored the useless casual sex throw ins.  I played him as a protector for the helpless and underrepresented because the world they live in is already so cruel and rotten.  Humans can be some of the most rotten monsters of all.

Modifié par Vhalkyrie, 06 avril 2012 - 04:37 .

[Miggyawesome]

Unlike Bioware, they appealed to their true fans' sugestions and changed the game to accomodate them. Bioware didn't even have guts to do that. They're already one step up on BioWare for that.

Appealing to their fans is something Bioware will never do because they are too proud and answer too much to a dying publisher, appealing to anyone and pleasing none. CDProjekt does whatever they feel like doing and respect their fans, and have gained the respect of all the market for this, gathering more fans for their banner by simply pleasing their customers.

I cannot compare BW and CDP anymore. To me, Bioware has completely lost all my respect.

[Sporothrix]

Myrmedus wrote...

It's legally impossible. There is no legislation for raping men in Western society. The crime literally does not exist. The worst a woman can be charged with is sexual harassment.

Sorry, but you completely don't know what you're talking about. Rape is not about penetration, it's forced sexual contact (generally a case when there's no free will on one side), despite of gender. That's polish law definition but it's similar in other european countries.
 Sexual harassment is yet another crime.

Modifié par misoretu9, 06 avril 2012 - 04:39 .

[Annora]

Myrmedus wrote...

Then I eat a small amount of humble pie because at least you guys over there have got your finger out and made the law fair.

However, on the bigger picture, the whole debacle with female immunity to Rape (U.S., U.K, Europe etc.) is just an example of how it's not all one way in terms of gender-based inequality.

I honestly believe following feminism or masculinism blinds you, or at least desensitizes you, to the inequalities and injustices in other regards. That is honestly why alot of feminists get a bad rep: it comes across as self-interest only.

When lawmakers are trying to meddle with my uterus, it forces me into feminism. I can't help that. It doesn't mean I don't care about the equality of others, I'm firmly in the 'live and let live' camp, and when I see those rights being trampled on, I get angry. I would like humans to treat each other, and our planet, with respect, but I know that's an uphill battle that my grandchildren will still be fighting long after I'm gone.

[Myrmedus]

Vhalkyrie wrote...

PorcelynDoll wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

Vhalkyrie wrote...

PorcelynDoll wrote...

Really? Just skip over the first one? It's something to consider and I have been thinking about it for a while. My biggest thing is I want to shape the personality of a character and I'm still not sure if Witcher allows this or if Geralt is a set personality that you can't affect in any large way.

You can shape Geralt.  I haven't played Witcher 2 yet, but the choices Geralt makes (or doesn't) are quite interesting.  At various stages of the game, you are shown the consequence of something that happened several stages back.  Some of them seemed to be minor decisions that I didn't think anything of, then was shocked by the ripple effect that made it major.  As a female gamer, my suggestion to get past the immature sex cards is to look at it as an unflattering portrayal of a male mindset who enjoys that.  If it wasn't for that aspect, I would more easily recommend it to others.

The sex cards suck in TW1, definitely (though you can opt out of doing those dirty, unspeakable things!) but the ending is definitely one of the best twists I've seen in a video-game.

And besides, us gamer guys who sit inside our homes all the time and have about as much intimate contact with the opposite sex as a monk need something!

That was a joke.

lol, ok so I should give TW a go? Playing a nice person is important to me and the sex cards are juvinilee yes but i also find them a bit hillarious and I'm sure I can just bypass them. Geralt's a guy give him a break I say.

Well, I'll be honest with you.  I almost didn't finish the game because Chapter I ticked me off with the very poor handling of female characters.  But I'm glad I stuck with it because the choice twists don't really get rolling until later in, and then wow.  I played my Geralt as faithful to Triss, and ignored the useless casual sex throw ins.  I played him as a protector for the helpless and underrepresented because the world they live in is already so cruel and rotten.

I do partially agree with this, certainly about Triss...which is disappointing since IMO she's a great character in 2 so at least they redeemed the integrity of the character.

However, at least with Triss (can't speak generally about the female characters), there was actually a good side to her over-sexualised behaviour: it made me suspicious of her and I think that was the point. She's a sorceress and part of the Lodge, and she greets you almost all the time wearing something alluring: to me that said "female spy going to slit my throat in bed" and stay the hell away.

[Rhazesx]

EA will buy Cdprojekt and destroy them to just like they did Bioware and many other great studios.

R.I.P. Bioware

[Myrmedus]

misoretu9 wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

It's legally impossible. There is no legislation for raping men in Western society. The crime literally does not exist. The worst a woman can be charged with is sexual harassment.

Sorry, but you completely don't know what you're talking about. Rape is not about penetration, it's forced sexual contact (generally a case when there's no free will on one side), despite of gender. That's polish law definition but it's similar in other european countries.
 Sexual harassment is yet another crime.

Anastassia, this isn't directed at you but purely at the person I've quoted:

Misoretu - incorrect:

Definition of Rape (Forcible Rape): The crime, committed by a man, of forcing another person into the act of sexual intercourse with him, esp. by the threat or use of physical violence.

That is why in EU conventions the legislation surrounding the crime has been campaigned for upheaval for years. It is an outdated law that dates back to the 1900s in virtually all European countries, which is why it includes that particular loophole for women since it was originally introduced as a protection for women.

Modifié par Myrmedus, 06 avril 2012 - 04:45 .

[Complistic]

Rhazesx wrote...

EA will buy Cdprojekt and destroy them to just like they did Bioware and many other great studios.

R.I.P. Bioware

Pretty sure CDP is already owned by a fairly large polish entertainment company. 

[Johanna]

Myrmedus wrote...

Anastassia wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

And which country is that? Judging my your inclusion of "Statuatory Rape" which doesn't exist in Europe it sounds like the US or Canada? If that is the case it does exist O.o

Canada. The language they use in our laws is 'sexual assault.'

Then I eat a small amount of humble pie because at least you guys over there have got your finger out and made the law fair.

However, on the bigger picture, the whole debacle with female immunity to Rape (U.S., U.K, Europe etc.) is just an example of how it's not all one way in terms of gender-based inequality.

I honestly believe following feminism or masculinism blinds you, or at least desensitizes you, to the inequalities and injustices in other regards. That is honestly why alot of feminists get a bad rep: it comes across as self-interest only.

You would be mistaken.  I am a feminist who comes from a family that was terrorized and abused by the mother figure.  I not only see both sides, I've lived them both (and have the physical scars to show for them both).

And, personally, I do not care if feminism has been given a bad rap.  That bad rap comes from men who display a shocking level of, yes, self-interest.  

Modifié par pants witch, 06 avril 2012 - 04:46 .

[Myrmedus]

pants witch wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

Anastassia wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

And which country is that? Judging my your inclusion of "Statuatory Rape" which doesn't exist in Europe it sounds like the US or Canada? If that is the case it does exist O.o

Canada. The language they use in our laws is 'sexual assault.'

Then I eat a small amount of humble pie because at least you guys over there have got your finger out and made the law fair.

However, on the bigger picture, the whole debacle with female immunity to Rape (U.S., U.K, Europe etc.) is just an example of how it's not all one way in terms of gender-based inequality.

I honestly believe following feminism or masculinism blinds you, or at least desensitizes you, to the inequalities and injustices in other regards. That is honestly why alot of feminists get a bad rep: it comes across as self-interest only.

You would be mistaken.  I am a feminist who comes from a family that was terrorized and abused by the mother figure.  I not only see both sides, I've lived them both (and have the physical scars to show for them both).

So, personally, I do not care if feminism has been given a bad rap.  That bad rap comes from men who display a shocking level of, yes, self-interest.

The sheer fact that you've just split men and women down the middle by the assumption that feminism's bad rap only comes from men pretty much proves the point I was trying to make. It doesn't, it comes from women as well, and your post illustrates the segregation I was pertaining to perfectly.

Modifié par Myrmedus, 06 avril 2012 - 04:48 .

[Beliyaal]

misoretu9 wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

Feminism is bull**** because it is just another form of segregation and is a narrow viewpoint of equality purely from one perspective. Even worse it's one where the women following it don't even realise the inherent segregation.

If science would not be divided into particular fields, there would never be any scientific progress.

And IMO that's what such opinions are all about - let's pretend we're all happy and equal and have the same rights, hopefully thanks to using such PC stance and calling any attempts to improve lives of any opressed group as "segregation", nothing will change, since you can't help everyone at the sime time, so you have to choose object of focus. 

Exactly. It's  http://birdofparadox...ion/ ]derailing for dummies[/url] and I don't have the patience for it. Off to less headache-inducing topics. 

Modifié par Beliyaal, 06 avril 2012 - 04:50 .

[Johanna]

Myrmedus wrote...

pants witch wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

Anastassia wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

And which country is that? Judging my your inclusion of "Statuatory Rape" which doesn't exist in Europe it sounds like the US or Canada? If that is the case it does exist O.o

Canada. The language they use in our laws is 'sexual assault.'

Then I eat a small amount of humble pie because at least you guys over there have got your finger out and made the law fair.

However, on the bigger picture, the whole debacle with female immunity to Rape (U.S., U.K, Europe etc.) is just an example of how it's not all one way in terms of gender-based inequality.

I honestly believe following feminism or masculinism blinds you, or at least desensitizes you, to the inequalities and injustices in other regards. That is honestly why alot of feminists get a bad rep: it comes across as self-interest only.

You would be mistaken.  I am a feminist who comes from a family that was terrorized and abused by the mother figure.  I not only see both sides, I've lived them both (and have the physical scars to show for them both).

So, personally, I do not care if feminism has been given a bad rap.  That bad rap comes from men who display a shocking level of, yes, self-interest.

The sheer fact that you've just split men and women down the middle by the assumption that feminism's bad rap only comes from men pretty much proves the point I was trying to make. It doesn't, it comes from women as well.

Look around.  This thread is a microcosm of a world I've lived in my entire life.  For you, this is academic.  For me, this is life.  I'm not interested in playing what-ifsies with someone who clearly has an axe to grind.

[Myrmedus]

Beliyaal wrote...

misoretu9 wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

Feminism is bull**** because it is just another form of segregation and is a narrow viewpoint of equality purely from one perspective. Even worse it's one where the women following it don't even realise the inherent segregation.

If science would not be divided into particular fields, there would never be any scientific progress.

And IMO that's what such opinions are all about - let's pretend we're all happy and equal and have the same rights, hopefully thanks to using such PC stance and calling any attempts to improve lives of any opressed group as "segregation", nothing will change, since you can't help everyone at the sime time, so you have to choose object of focus. 

Exactly. It's http://www.derailing...com/ ]derailing for dummies[/url] and I don't have the patience for it. Off to less headache-inducing topics. 

This coming from the individual who started the original derailment.

I like a good dose of irony in every thread.

[Myrmedus]

pants witch wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

pants witch wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

Anastassia wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

And which country is that? Judging my your inclusion of "Statuatory Rape" which doesn't exist in Europe it sounds like the US or Canada? If that is the case it does exist O.o

Canada. The language they use in our laws is 'sexual assault.'

Then I eat a small amount of humble pie because at least you guys over there have got your finger out and made the law fair.

However, on the bigger picture, the whole debacle with female immunity to Rape (U.S., U.K, Europe etc.) is just an example of how it's not all one way in terms of gender-based inequality.

I honestly believe following feminism or masculinism blinds you, or at least desensitizes you, to the inequalities and injustices in other regards. That is honestly why alot of feminists get a bad rep: it comes across as self-interest only.

You would be mistaken.  I am a feminist who comes from a family that was terrorized and abused by the mother figure.  I not only see both sides, I've lived them both (and have the physical scars to show for them both).

So, personally, I do not care if feminism has been given a bad rap.  That bad rap comes from men who display a shocking level of, yes, self-interest.

The sheer fact that you've just split men and women down the middle by the assumption that feminism's bad rap only comes from men pretty much proves the point I was trying to make. It doesn't, it comes from women as well.

Look around.  This thread is a microcosm of a world I've lived in my entire life.  For you, this is academic.  For me, this is life.  I'm not interested in playing what-ifsies with someone who clearly has an axe to grind.

I honestly don't have an axe to grind beyond what comes across as midguided self-righteousness.

I discussed this with Anastassia very civilly but knee-jerk reactions that only highlight one single sentence of the OP's entire post because he dared make a move against feminism is just down-right unfortunate.

The thread was essentially about TW. TW has garnered all kinds of criticism, and those who advocate it too, because its content somehow offends from a feminist perspective. When that goes to the point of multiple individuals taking cracks at the OP I find that kind of behaviour almost clan-like.

Modifié par Myrmedus, 06 avril 2012 - 04:52 .

[Johanna]

Myrmedus wrote...


I honestly don't have an axe to grind beyond what comes across as midguided self-righteousness.

I discussed this with Anastassia very civilly but knee-jerk reactions that only highlight one single sentence of the OP's entire post because he dared make a move against feminism is just down-right unfortunate.

So your problem is with the perceived attitudes of others.  That's a waste of everyone's time.  For instance, I don't give a fig what you think about my "misguided self-righteousness".  If you're wondering why, please refer to the part of my comment that you didn't bother to take into account before wagging your finger at me.

Edited for borked formatting.

Modifié par pants witch, 06 avril 2012 - 04:54 .

[Myrmedus]

pants witch wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...


I honestly don't have an axe to grind beyond what comes across as midguided self-righteousness.

I discussed this with Anastassia very civilly but knee-jerk reactions that only highlight one single sentence of the OP's entire post because he dared make a move against feminism is just down-right unfortunate.

So your problem is with the perceived attitudes of others.  That's a waste of everyone's time.  For instance, I don't give a fig what you think about my "misguided self-righteousness".  If you're wondering why, please refer to the part of my comment that you didn't bother to take into account before wagging your finger at me.

Edited for borked formatting.

No, my problem is with people who feel the need to take cracks at someone over something so small (in terms of his post) due to over-sensitivity.

If we're talking generally, yes I think being an advocate of one set of problems that is based solely upon the sex of the individual is a form of segregation that will likely subliminally pit you against the other. Support equality for everyone not just yourselves?

Modifié par Myrmedus, 06 avril 2012 - 04:57 .

[Johanna]

Myrmedus wrote...

pants witch wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...


I honestly don't have an axe to grind beyond what comes across as midguided self-righteousness.

I discussed this with Anastassia very civilly but knee-jerk reactions that only highlight one single sentence of the OP's entire post because he dared make a move against feminism is just down-right unfortunate.

So your problem is with the perceived attitudes of others.  That's a waste of everyone's time.  For instance, I don't give a fig what you think about my "misguided self-righteousness".  If you're wondering why, please refer to the part of my comment that you didn't bother to take into account before wagging your finger at me.

Edited for borked formatting.

No, my problem is with people who feel the need to take cracks at someone over something so small (in terms of his post) due to over-sensitivity

Then why are you even talking to me.  Lol.