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[Myrmedus]

pants witch wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

pants witch wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...


I honestly don't have an axe to grind beyond what comes across as midguided self-righteousness.

I discussed this with Anastassia very civilly but knee-jerk reactions that only highlight one single sentence of the OP's entire post because he dared make a move against feminism is just down-right unfortunate.

So your problem is with the perceived attitudes of others.  That's a waste of everyone's time.  For instance, I don't give a fig what you think about my "misguided self-righteousness".  If you're wondering why, please refer to the part of my comment that you didn't bother to take into account before wagging your finger at me.

Edited for borked formatting.

No, my problem is with people who feel the need to take cracks at someone over something so small (in terms of his post) due to over-sensitivity

Then why are you even talking to me.  Lol.

Er, as far as I remember, you started out by attacking one of my posts lol.

[Johanna]

Myrmedus wrote...

pants witch wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

pants witch wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...


I honestly don't have an axe to grind beyond what comes across as midguided self-righteousness.

I discussed this with Anastassia very civilly but knee-jerk reactions that only highlight one single sentence of the OP's entire post because he dared make a move against feminism is just down-right unfortunate.

So your problem is with the perceived attitudes of others.  That's a waste of everyone's time.  For instance, I don't give a fig what you think about my "misguided self-righteousness".  If you're wondering why, please refer to the part of my comment that you didn't bother to take into account before wagging your finger at me.

Edited for borked formatting.

No, my problem is with people who feel the need to take cracks at someone over something so small (in terms of his post) due to over-sensitivity

Then why are you even talking to me.  Lol.

Er, as far as I remember, you started out by attacking one of my posts lol.

I didn't attack your anything, and what I did respond to had nothing to do with the OP.  Keep track of this shiz, bro.
Whatevz, I'm out.  LUNCH!

[Sporothrix]

Myrmedus wrote...

Misoretu - incorrect:

Definition of Rape (Forcible Rape): The crime, committed by a man, of forcing another person into the act of sexual intercourse with him, esp. by the threat or use of physical violence.

That is why in EU conventions the legislation surrounding the crime has been campaigned for upheaval for years. It is an outdated law that dates back to the 1900s in virtually all European countries, which is why it includes that particular loophole for women since it was originally introduced as a protection for women.

Sorry, that's not legal definition of rape in my country nor in any European country I know. And there are women convicted for this crime even in such traditionalistic country as Poland. And I know those statistics since I'm law student.

So pics or it would seem that all your arguments come from some very dark and very weird place.

Modifié par misoretu9, 06 avril 2012 - 05:08 .

[Myrmedus]

[quote]pants witch wrote...

[quote]Myrmedus wrote...

[quote]pants witch wrote...

[quote]Myrmedus wrote...

[quote]pants witch wrote...

[quote]Myrmedus wrote...


I honestly don't have an axe to grind beyond what comes across as midguided self-righteousness.

I discussed this with Anastassia very civilly but knee-jerk reactions that only highlight one single sentence of the OP's entire post because he dared make a move against feminism is just down-right unfortunate.

[/quote]

So your problem is with the perceived attitudes of others.  That's a waste of everyone's time.  For instance, I don't give a fig what you think about my "misguided self-righteousness".  If you're wondering why, please refer to the part of my comment that you didn't bother to take into account before wagging your finger at me.

Edited for borked formatting.

[/quote]

No, my problem is with people who feel the need to take cracks at someone over something so small (in terms of his post) due to over-sensitivity

[/quote]

Then why are you even talking to me.  Lol.

[/quote]

Er, as far as I remember, you started out by attacking one of my posts lol.

[/quote]

I didn't attack your anything, and what I did respond to had nothing to do with the OP.  Keep track of this shiz, bro.
Whatevz, I'm out.  LUNCH!

[/quote]

Maybe "attack" is too strong a word but I essentially just replied to the exchange you started with me:

[quote]pants witch wrote...

[quote]Myrmedus wrote...

[quote]Anastassia wrote...

[quote]Myrmedus wrote...

And
which country is that? Judging my your inclusion of "Statuatory Rape"
which doesn't exist in Europe it sounds like the US or Canada? If that
is the case it does exist O.o

[/quote]

Canada. The language they use in our laws is 'sexual assault.'

[/quote]

Then I eat a small amount of humble pie because at least you guys over there have got your finger out and made the law fair.

However,
on the bigger picture, the whole debacle with female immunity to Rape
(U.S., U.K, Europe etc.) is just an example of how it's not all one way
in terms of gender-based inequality.

I honestly believe following
feminism or masculinism blinds you, or at least desensitizes you, to
the inequalities and injustices in other regards. That is honestly why
alot of feminists get a bad rep: it comes across as self-interest only.
[/quote]

You
would be mistaken.  I am a feminist who comes from a family that was
terrorized and abused by the mother figure.  I not only see both sides,
I've lived them both (and have the physical scars to show for them
both).

And, personally, I do not care if feminism has been given a
bad rap.  That bad rap comes from men who display a shocking level of,
yes, self-interest.  

[/quote]

But...I don't want to argue anymore on this. I can't argue with people who make me laugh:

[quote]pants witch wrote...
I didn't attack your anything, and what I did respond to had nothing to do with the OP.  Keep track of this shiz, bro.
Whatevz, I'm out.  LUNCH!

[/quote]

I just can't

Modifié par Myrmedus, 06 avril 2012 - 05:04 .

[Gyroscopic_Trout]

(Spoilers for Witcher 1)
 
I played the first Witcher, all the way through that first village, then stopped after the game crashed while fighting the barghast and have never picked it up since.

In the scene preceding that fight, Geralt is told that the village priest and his friends have been up to no good, and have framed the village witch for it.  Now they've gathered an angry mob outside to burn her at the stake.

Geralt has three options; help her and potentially have to kill a whole lot of innocents, let them burn her alive, or (and this is the point) say "gee, I'd like to help you but I think I need to get to know you better, nudge, nudge, wink, wink."

That last option pretty much threw me.  In the real world, if a doctor told a patient he would only get her on a transplant list if she "did him a favour", he'd be stripped of his license, and probably sent to jail.

I don't think CDProjekt is sexist, any more than I think Capcom is staffed with racists after playing RE5.  I do however think that they are staffed with idiots with low emotional maturity.  The Witcher was the only game I was actually embarrassed to play without headphones, because the dialogue in the tavern was "your mamma sucks dwarf _____" and "I ______ a she-elf once" every five seconds.  That's not dark or mature.  That's just assinine.  Duke Nukem level of assinine.

I'd like to give The Witcher 2 a try, especially after ME3, but if it's anything like the first one, no thank you.

[mxfox408]

Atleast until they become big like bioware at that point they act like their **** don't stink and that's when the arrogance rises, then on to the next one. All companies start out great but end up in the same ivory tower position

[Myrmedus]

misoretu9 wrote...

Myrmedus wrote...

Misoretu - incorrect:

Definition of Rape (Forcible Rape): The crime, committed by a man, of forcing another person into the act of sexual intercourse with him, esp. by the threat or use of physical violence.

That is why in EU conventions the legislation surrounding the crime has been campaigned for upheaval for years. It is an outdated law that dates back to the 1900s in virtually all European countries, which is why it includes that particular loophole for women since it was originally introduced as a protection for women.

Sorry, that's not legal definition of rape in my country nor in any European country I know. And there are women convicted for this crime even in such traditionalistic country as Poland.

And I don't know which convention you talk about exactly and I'm law student.

So pics or it would seem that all your arguments come from some very dark and very weird place.

UK:

Part I of the Sexual Offences Act 2003 makes many changes to the sexual crimes laws in
England and Wales (and to some extent Northern Ireland), almost
completely replacing the Sexual Offences Act 1956.
Rape has been redefined from the Sexual Offences Act 1956 (amended in 1976 and 1994) to read:A person (A) commits an offence if—

(a) he intentionally penetrates the vagina, anus or mouth of another person ( with his penis,

( B does not consent to the penetration, and

© A does not reasonably believe that B consents.

WHO:

Sexual violence includes rape, defined as
physically forced or otherwise coerced penetration
– even if slight – of the vulva or anus, using a penis.

UN:

Rape is a sexual intercourse without valid consent.

Bare in mind the specific inclusion of "intercourse" which means that the perpetrator has to actually enter (inter) into the victim.

Now, some European countries are a little more fleshed out in it - take Germany for example who are now using the definition stated by the International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda defining it as: "a physical invasion of a sexual nature committed on a person under circumstances which are coercive".

The FBI of the US have also literally just changed their definition from "The carnal knowledge of a female forcibly and against her will." to "The penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without the consent of the victim."

Even then though, there is still a need for penetration in all cases from the perpetrator meaning as long as a person does not penetrate they can do as they wish, so in the case of a male victim as long as he is not anally (or in literally only 2-3 countries orally) penetrated a person can do as they wish and not risk a rape charge. This even includes penetrative sex as long as they are on the perceived receiving end, which in the case of a woman raping a man would most likely be.

There was an infamous case here in the UK of a woman who spiked a man's drink with a mixture of viagra and a small dose of rohypnol, tied him and when he came to had her way with him. She couldn't be charged with rape, even though she engaged in sexual intercourse with someone who was unwilling, because she was not the one who penetrated.

But that's all I'm going to say on this topic now because this really is getting insanely derailed at this point - just play TW!

Modifié par Myrmedus, 06 avril 2012 - 05:34 .

[Mister Mida]

Gyroscopic_Trout wrote...

(Spoilers for Witcher 1)
 
I played the first Witcher, all the way through that first village, then stopped after the game crashed while fighting the barghast and have never picked it up since.

In the scene preceding that fight, Geralt is told that the village priest and his friends have been up to no good, and have framed the village witch for it.  Now they've gathered an angry mob outside to burn her at the stake.

Geralt has three options; help her and potentially have to kill a whole lot of innocents, let them burn her alive, or (and this is the point) say "gee, I'd like to help you but I think I need to get to know you better, nudge, nudge, wink, wink."

That last option pretty much threw me.  In the real world, if a doctor told a patient he would only get her on a transplant list if she "did him a favour", he'd be stripped of his license, and probably sent to jail.

I don't think CDProjekt is sexist, any more than I think Capcom is staffed with racists after playing RE5.  I do however think that they are staffed with idiots with low emotional maturity.  The Witcher was the only game I was actually embarrassed to play without headphones, because the dialogue in the tavern was "your mamma sucks dwarf _____" and "I ______ a she-elf once" every five seconds.  That's not dark or mature.  That's just assinine.  Duke Nukem level of assinine.

I'd like to give The Witcher 2 a try, especially after ME3, but if it's anything like the first one, no thank you.

You're comparing a fantasy setting highly inspired by medieval times to the real world?

[slimshedim]

Skyline45 wrote...

Titles says it all pretty much.

I know theres already a topic on this but it has since been derailed.

So here is a fresh Thread Discuss ^.^

For those that don't know..

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CD_Projekt_RED

-They have been like Biowares little brother, but seems like they have the chance to take the lead in RPG development.

EDIT: I mean look at what they did with Biowares own engine when they made The Witcher.

"The Witcher is powered by a heavily modified version of the Aurora Engine by BioWare, enhanced for single-player. A number of changes have been introduced to the original engine; some of them are described below.
One of the most important features of the Aurora Engine is that the
world is designed exactly as the developers envisioned, rather than
using a tile-based system. All the environments are developed in 3ds Max
and then exported into the game engine. As a result, developers can
create unique game worlds, rather than recycling the same tiled objects
over and over again. CD Projekt's
version of the engine supports lightmaps generated in 3ds Max. Shadows
generated this way are reported to look more realistic, and provide
better game performance."

EDIT: I was just making the observation that all the values that Bioware used to hold seem to be moving over to CD Projekt. Get off the topic of politics and social issues, thank you.

-

EDIT: To the people who are arguing against TW and TW2.

To the people who can get over that you only play a male in the story-

Yes, you only play a male through THE MAIN STORY. However, in the first Witcher there are side story's you can do that allow you to play a created character so yes you can make your own charater and plug them into the game somehow. Plus these games are written AFTER the novels (Not like ME which had it's novels written after the game), and to stray away from the material that is in the novels would betray the fanbase.

To the people who cant get over the sex cards in TW.

Yes, they can seem a little immature which I'll agree with you, but look at CDP's situation. They were using the Aurora Engine made by Bioware ,and while they seemed to be able to manipulate the landscape better than Bioware they had a tough time with character annimations. Hence why there is only a card and a very short scene of Geralt kissing the girl in the backround. This changes in TW2 when CDP finally gets to make their own engine. They finally make tasteful love scene that seem to come out of one romantic novels that a lot of girls read.

To the people who say CDP has only made 2 games.

True but they have been really well put together games. Like Bioware when they first came about. The comparrison of the two companies I'm making is on the basis that they seem to have the same starting record. Except that CDP seems to want to give away DLC to their loyal fans rather than pay for it. Unlike Bioware when they first came out they would give us little DLC, but nothing compared to what CDP has given us/ will give us.

Some day CD Project will be harvested by EA and become just another greedy husk. The cycle cannot be broken, unless you (with)hold your wallet.

[Complistic]

Gyroscopic_Trout wrote...

(Spoilers for Witcher 1)
 
I played the first Witcher, all the way through that first village, then stopped after the game crashed while fighting the barghast and have never picked it up since.

In the scene preceding that fight, Geralt is told that the village priest and his friends have been up to no good, and have framed the village witch for it.  Now they've gathered an angry mob outside to burn her at the stake.

Geralt has three options; help her and potentially have to kill a whole lot of innocents, let them burn her alive, or (and this is the point) say "gee, I'd like to help you but I think I need to get to know you better, nudge, nudge, wink, wink."

That last option pretty much threw me.  In the real world, if a doctor told a patient he would only get her on a transplant list if she "did him a favour", he'd be stripped of his license, and probably sent to jail.

I don't think CDProjekt is sexist, any more than I think Capcom is staffed with racists after playing RE5.  I do however think that they are staffed with idiots with low emotional maturity.  The Witcher was the only game I was actually embarrassed to play without headphones, because the dialogue in the tavern was "your mamma sucks dwarf _____" and "I ______ a she-elf once" every five seconds.  That's not dark or mature.  That's just assinine.  Duke Nukem level of assinine.

I'd like to give The Witcher 2 a try, especially after ME3, but if it's anything like the first one, no thank you.

except that third option didn't actually happen. the witch attempts to bribe you with sex so you'll take her side. You can then later call her out  on it,  go along with it, or tell her thats not necessary. You completely missed the point of it.

Modifié par Complistic, 06 avril 2012 - 05:40 .

[Aesieru]

Witcher 1 was terribly dull, had bad gameplay and crash-tastic.

Witcher 2 was better, here's hoping their EXTENDED EDITION for WE2 is good.

[Vhalkyrie]

Gyroscopic_Trout wrote...

(Spoilers for Witcher 1)
 
I played the first Witcher, all the way through that first village, then stopped after the game crashed while fighting the barghast and have never picked it up since.

In the scene preceding that fight, Geralt is told that the village priest and his friends have been up to no good, and have framed the village witch for it.  Now they've gathered an angry mob outside to burn her at the stake.

Geralt has three options; help her and potentially have to kill a whole lot of innocents, let them burn her alive, or (and this is the point) say "gee, I'd like to help you but I think I need to get to know you better, nudge, nudge, wink, wink."

That last option pretty much threw me.  In the real world, if a doctor told a patient he would only get her on a transplant list if she "did him a favour", he'd be stripped of his license, and probably sent to jail.

I don't think CDProjekt is sexist, any more than I think Capcom is staffed with racists after playing RE5.  I do however think that they are staffed with idiots with low emotional maturity.  The Witcher was the only game I was actually embarrassed to play without headphones, because the dialogue in the tavern was "your mamma sucks dwarf _____" and "I ______ a she-elf once" every five seconds.  That's not dark or mature.  That's just assinine.  Duke Nukem level of assinine.

I'd like to give The Witcher 2 a try, especially after ME3, but if it's anything like the first one, no thank you.

Yeeeeah.  Exactly.  The ending to the Chapter 1 was asinine.  That was pretty much when I almost gave up on it.  The women who threw themselves at Geralt did so at awkward and inappropriate moments.  I actually did delete it off my harddrive after that.  The reason I went back to it is because people were insisting that the plot twists were well done.  I thought I'd give Chapter II a try, and if it didn't convince me, then I was done.  The revelation to the 'who-done-it' kept me going, and I ignored the rest of the trashy bits.

Modifié par Vhalkyrie, 06 avril 2012 - 05:45 .

[Sporothrix]

Myrmedus wrote...

UK:

Part I of the Sexual Offences Act 2003 makes many changes to the sexual crimes laws in
England and Wales (and to some extent Northern Ireland), almost
completely replacing the Sexual Offences Act 1956.
Rape has been redefined from the Sexual Offences Act 1956 (amended in 1976 and 1994) to read:A person (A) commits an offence if—

Check out only a bit below rape crime. There's Causing sexual activity without consent. 
Punishment is the same and definition could apply also to women (including case you described). Generally it rather has something to do with this weird common law system of UK and US and traditionalistic approach it brings about. So, technically they  have many rape crimes, but only one is called 'rape'.

Myrmedus wrote...

WHO:

Don't even check that out since WHO has no legislatory rights.

UN:

Rape is a sexual intercourse without valid consent.

Bare in mind the specific inclusion of "intercourse" which means that the perpetrator has to actually enter (inter) into the victim.

No. There's similar word used in polish penal code (although it could be also translated as "sexual intimacy"), but it is universally perceived in jurisdiction as containing any form of sex.

Modifié par misoretu9, 06 avril 2012 - 06:15 .

[Dendio1]

pants witch wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

pants witch wrote...

For guys, maybe.  A game that includes... sex cards... just isn't my thing.  Sorry.

Edit: Ah, I see this has already been touched on.  Mea culpa.

Get off the sex cards. Thats witcher 1 back in 2007. we are talking about witcher 2 now 5 years later no sex cards...

No, heh, I won't get off the sex cards.  They're hilariously bad, and so are the "love scenes" that precede them.  I understand how Geralt's wooing ways might appeal to teenaged boys, but I'm a grown woman.  The lovin' in either Witcher game is a joke, and more than enough to prevent me from taking either game seriously.

I'm sure it's fun and all, but... Nah.  Not for me.  And CDP is certainly not another BioWare.  BioWare, if they care about nothing else, does care about the diversity of its fanbase. 

Then your loss. You can cut yourself off from a great game in protest of the first one if thats your prerogative.

[Aesieru]

Dendio1 wrote...

pants witch wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

pants witch wrote...

For guys, maybe.  A game that includes... sex cards... just isn't my thing.  Sorry.

Edit: Ah, I see this has already been touched on.  Mea culpa.

Get off the sex cards. Thats witcher 1 back in 2007. we are talking about witcher 2 now 5 years later no sex cards...

No, heh, I won't get off the sex cards.  They're hilariously bad, and so are the "love scenes" that precede them.  I understand how Geralt's wooing ways might appeal to teenaged boys, but I'm a grown woman.  The lovin' in either Witcher game is a joke, and more than enough to prevent me from taking either game seriously.

I'm sure it's fun and all, but... Nah.  Not for me.  And CDP is certainly not another BioWare.  BioWare, if they care about nothing else, does care about the diversity of its fanbase. 

Then your loss. You can cut yourself off from a great game in protest of the first one if thats your prerogative.

Pretty sure I saw something similar to sex cards in WE2.

[Mister Mida]

Aesieru wrote...

Pretty sure I saw something similar to sex cards in WE2.

I'm pretty sure there's no such thing in TW2.

[AnthonyF27]

In TW2:
1) You're never forced into having sex with any character.
2) The longest sex scene in the game is with Triss, who has an establish relationship with Geralt
3) Geralt is sterile, can't get diseases and is known to be a great lover. Of course he gets laid a lot.
4) The only sex Geralt can have is with Triss, Ves, an Elf woman who he saved from dying (this happens well after the fact, I never came across this until my 3rd playthrough) , a Succubus and prostitutes. It's not like TW1 where you can have sex with some random woman by giving her a flower.
5)  There are no give me sex if you want to live situations.
6) Women love sex just as much as men, so stop making it out like you don't

I've beaten TW2 about 5 times, it's an amazing, deep game. Anyone who hates it because of the sexual stuff is missing out on a fantastic game. If that's what you desire then so be it.

Modifié par AnthonyF27, 06 avril 2012 - 06:07 .

[ImmovableMover]

Ugh...I ****ing hope not. The Witcher is all they've done and goddamn that game just bores me, I try to enjoy it but it just doesn't want me to.

[Vhalkyrie]

AnthonyF27 wrote...

In TW2:
1) You're never forced into having sex with any character.
2) The longest sex scene in the game is with Triss, who has an establish relationship with Geralt
3) Geralt is sterile, can't get diseases and is known to be a great lover. Of course he gets laid a lot.
4) The only sex Geralt can have is with Triss, Ves, an Elf woman who he saved from dying, a Succubus and prostitutes. It's not like TW1 where you can have sex with some random woman by giving her a flower.
5) Women love sex just as much as men, so stop making it out like you don't

I've beaten TW2 about 5 times, it's an amazing, deep game. Anyone who hates it because of the sexual stuff is missing out on a fantastic game. If that's what you desire then so be it.

Sounds to me like they listened to player feedback from TW1.  Good to know.

[Aesieru]

AnthonyF27 wrote...

In TW2:
1) You're never forced into having sex with any character.
2) The longest sex scene in the game is with Triss, who has an establish relationship with Geralt
3) Geralt is sterile, can't get diseases and is known to be a great lover. Of course he gets laid a lot.
4) The only sex Geralt can have is with Triss, Ves, an Elf woman who he saved from dying, a Succubus and prostitutes. It's not like TW1 where you can have sex with some random woman by giving her a flower.
5) Women love sex just as much as men, so stop making it out like you don't

I've beaten TW2 about 5 times, it's an amazing, deep game. Anyone who hates it because of the sexual stuff is missing out on a fantastic game. If that's what you desire then so be it.

Starting scene... having sex with Triss.

YEAH you are definitely NOT FORCED.

[danteliveson]

That's a lot of potential sex.

[Mister Mida]

Aesieru wrote...

AnthonyF27 wrote...

In TW2:
1) You're never forced into having sex with any character.
2) The longest sex scene in the game is with Triss, who has an establish relationship with Geralt
3) Geralt is sterile, can't get diseases and is known to be a great lover. Of course he gets laid a lot.
4) The only sex Geralt can have is with Triss, Ves, an Elf woman who he saved from dying, a Succubus and prostitutes. It's not like TW1 where you can have sex with some random woman by giving her a flower.
5) Women love sex just as much as men, so stop making it out like you don't

I've beaten TW2 about 5 times, it's an amazing, deep game. Anyone who hates it because of the sexual stuff is missing out on a fantastic game. If that's what you desire then so be it.

Starting scene... having sex with Triss.

YEAH you are definitely NOT FORCED.

They're not having sex

[Annora]

Aesieru wrote...

Starting scene... having sex with Triss.

YEAH you are definitely NOT FORCED.

This. It's full-on nudity too right there at the beginning of the game. You can't navigate your way around it.

[SovereignWillReturn]

chiliztri wrote...

Nah, Obsidian is and has been the new BioWare to me.

Used to love these guys, then they half-assed KotOR 2.
And ruined HK-47.
Disliked them ever since.

[Mr.Snithums]

Aesieru wrote...

AnthonyF27 wrote...

In TW2:
1) You're never forced into having sex with any character.
2) The longest sex scene in the game is with Triss, who has an establish relationship with Geralt
3) Geralt is sterile, can't get diseases and is known to be a great lover. Of course he gets laid a lot.
4) The only sex Geralt can have is with Triss, Ves, an Elf woman who he saved from dying, a Succubus and prostitutes. It's not like TW1 where you can have sex with some random woman by giving her a flower.
5) Women love sex just as much as men, so stop making it out like you don't

I've beaten TW2 about 5 times, it's an amazing, deep game. Anyone who hates it because of the sexual stuff is missing out on a fantastic game. If that's what you desire then so be it.

Starting scene... having sex with Triss.

YEAH you are definitely NOT FORCED.

Well to be honest thats waking up from a night with sex with Triss. If you want to argue like that then I suppose you could say every sexual encounter in Geralt's life before now was forced upon you. How dare characters have backstories.