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[garf]

Chrislo1990 wrote...

What do you guys think about Bethesda? They were willing to fix the fallout 3 ending after fan feedback. I'm not too familar with them though other than the elder scrolls and fallout games they made

They're fun. I really enjoyed FONV.

(oh wait that's obsidian...)

trouble is.. sandbox games get boring after a while.  Bioware used to know how to write a story. The narrative might have been on rails but you could select some side tracks, customize the heck out of your cabin, pick your fellow passengers and WELL one HELL of a rollercoaster ride.

And at the end it's like they reversed their tactics. the most conceptually different choices ever in the whole trilogy and they bend over backwards to make them look the same. They give us a beautiful illusion of Player Agency throught a fantastic series. Then hand us three sour cupcakes on a platter and tell us they are letting us win, Pick your identically bitter but differently sweetened endings.

I honestly don't know who will replace them for me. But so far CD Project hasn't blown any thrills up my skirt.

Modifié par garf, 06 avril 2012 - 05:00 .

[The Angry One]

joshko wrote...

The game is based off the books by Andrzej Sapkowski and is tied into their stories, it would be very dificult to create stories without Geralt being the protagonist. Eventually I'm sure their will be a Witcher Lore/Universe type game, maybe taking place before/after the life of Geralt, but for now it's a good introduction to the world and a fantastic story.

Fair enough, I'm not saying CDPR are bad for doing it this way, just that for that reason they're not really the next anything for me.

[Kingthlayer]

Opsrbest wrote...

azerSheppard wrote...

garf wrote...

Not sure how that's 'fan service' (gender options for the player character) that's game design. The fact of the matter is an important selling point to me is weather or not 'my' character (the one I wish to at least partially identify with) is female. I don't see how that's 'fan service'. It's just a feature I look for. and usually is a deal breaker for me. (I did make an exception for Sam Fisher)

I'm not calling the demand of female lead "fan service". But i do find it strange. It's like if a guy demanded the next Lara Croft game to have a John Craft lead character, so guys can identify with the lead...
That just doesnt WORK, Lara Crost is a set character, established over several games. Geralt is a set character established over several works of fiction.

Actually the basis and setting of the character and Geralt can be made bigenderous with very little work. The Witcher as it is has no predication to being male. I'm pretty sure the opening portion of The Witcher, as god aweful of a game it is, even has some female Witchers that fight in there bastion castle thing.

Other than the fact that Geralt is based on a series of books where he is clearly male.  And there are no female WItchers at the start of Witcher 1, Triss is a mage.

The whole story of the Witcher game series is based after the books.

[azerSheppard]

Opsrbest wrote...

Actually the basis and setting of the character and Geralt can be made bigenderous with very little work. The Witcher as it is has no predication to being male. I'm pretty sure the opening portion of The Witcher, as god aweful of a game it is, even has some female Witchers that fight in there bastion castle thing.

This is moot, as Female Witchers already exist, there is no reason to alter an EXISTING set character to bigenderous. that just brings me to the Lara Croft argument.


Ciri, in one of the novels was training to become a Witcher. Tho witchers are normally male, because females are often magi/witches.

Modifié par azerSheppard, 06 avril 2012 - 05:01 .

[garf]

The Angry One wrote...

joshko wrote...

The game is based off the books by Andrzej Sapkowski and is tied into their stories, it would be very dificult to create stories without Geralt being the protagonist. Eventually I'm sure their will be a Witcher Lore/Universe type game, maybe taking place before/after the life of Geralt, but for now it's a good introduction to the world and a fantastic story.

Fair enough, I'm not saying CDPR are bad for doing it this way, just that for that reason they're not really the next anything for me.

Basically my opinion too.

[azerSheppard]

garf wrote...

Chrislo1990 wrote...

What do you guys think about Bethesda? They were willing to fix the fallout 3 ending after fan feedback. I'm not too familar with them though other than the elder scrolls and fallout games they made

They're fun. I really enjoyed FONV.

(oh wait that's obsidian...)

trouble is.. sandbox games get boring after a while.  Bioware used to know how to write a story. The narrative might have been on rails but you could select some side tracks, customize the heck out of your cabin, pick your fellow passengers and WELL one HELL of a rollercoaster ride.

And at the end it's like they reversed their tactics. the most conceptually different choices ever in the whole trilogy and they bend over backwards to make them look the same. They give us a beautiful illusion of Player Agency throught a fantastic series. Then hand us three sour cupcakes on a platter and tell us they are letting us win, Pick your identically bitter but differently sweetened endings.

I honestly don't know who will replace them for me. But so far CD Project hasn't blown any thrills up my skirt.

NV is actually obsidian.

Bethesda is great tho, i like FO3 over FONV. It didn't really feel like a step forward, more like a step sideways.

[Greed1914]

Opsrbest wrote...

Big Mac Heart Attack wrote...

Opsrbest wrote...

azerSheppard wrote...

garf wrote...

Not sure how that's 'fan service' (gender options for the player character) that's game design. The fact of the matter is an important selling point to me is weather or not 'my' character (the one I wish to at least partially identify with) is female. I don't see how that's 'fan service'. It's just a feature I look for. and usually is a deal breaker for me. (I did make an exception for Sam Fisher)

I'm not calling the demand of female lead "fan service". But i do find it strange. It's like if a guy demanded the next Lara Croft game to have a John Craft lead character, so guys can identify with the lead...
That just doesnt WORK, Lara Crost is a set character, established over several games. Geralt is a set character established over several works of fiction.

Actually the basis and setting of the character and Geralt can be made bigenderous with very little work. The Witcher as it is has no predication to being male. I'm pretty sure the opening portion of The Witcher, as god aweful of a game it is, even has some female Witchers that fight in there bastion castle thing.

Other than the fact that Geralt is based on a series of books where he is clearly male.  And there are no female WItchers at the start of Witcher 1, Triss is a mage.

The whole story of the Witcher game series is based after the books.

I know it's based off books. That still doesn't change the fact that the character could be made bigendered. And I'm pretty sure that hte opening has female witcher characters in it other then Triss. Unless I'm thinking of another game which I don't think I am because only the Witcher has that horrible of a combat and movement system.

They aren't going to make the gender of an established character changable, it's just not going to happen.  And apparently, you are thinking of another game because at the start of the game there was only one woman, Triss Merigold, and she is a sorceress, not a Witcher.  There has only been one female that was trained as a Witcher, Ciri, and she never became a full-fledged Witcher.  So, I hate to break it to you, but your memory is inaccurate.

[Dendio1]

The Angry One wrote...

joshko wrote...

The game is based off the books by Andrzej Sapkowski and is tied into their stories, it would be very dificult to create stories without Geralt being the protagonist. Eventually I'm sure their will be a Witcher Lore/Universe type game, maybe taking place before/after the life of Geralt, but for now it's a good introduction to the world and a fantastic story.

Fair enough, I'm not saying CDPR are bad for doing it this way, just that for that reason they're not really the next anything for me.

The game is told from a heterosexual male bias on alot of things ( though not nearly to the extent that witcher 1 did and sex cards are gone). There is no gay option that I know of. You can tweak minor things about geralts personality ,but he is largely an established character by the witcher 2. Witcher 1 had him questioning himself and his motives.

The game is great and an interesting escape. You wont have the level of customization that bioware normally grants you, but that doesn't make the game any less..well...good.

The story is double sided meaning you need to play multiple times to understand everything. Your second time around will feel like you purchased an expansion. You will get a new hub, new characters, relationships, quests and choices. The ending wraps up very nicely and leaves some intreguing cliff hangers for witcher 3..and thats before all this new stuff and the gladiator type arena mode that i havent tried.

Also spoilers on the stuff not in game guys thx

Modifié par Dendio1, 06 avril 2012 - 05:11 .

[Kingthlayer]

Opsrbest wrote...

Big Mac Heart Attack wrote...

Opsrbest wrote...

azerSheppard wrote...

garf wrote...

Not sure how that's 'fan service' (gender options for the player character) that's game design. The fact of the matter is an important selling point to me is weather or not 'my' character (the one I wish to at least partially identify with) is female. I don't see how that's 'fan service'. It's just a feature I look for. and usually is a deal breaker for me. (I did make an exception for Sam Fisher)

I'm not calling the demand of female lead "fan service". But i do find it strange. It's like if a guy demanded the next Lara Croft game to have a John Craft lead character, so guys can identify with the lead...
That just doesnt WORK, Lara Crost is a set character, established over several games. Geralt is a set character established over several works of fiction.

Actually the basis and setting of the character and Geralt can be made bigenderous with very little work. The Witcher as it is has no predication to being male. I'm pretty sure the opening portion of The Witcher, as god aweful of a game it is, even has some female Witchers that fight in there bastion castle thing.

Other than the fact that Geralt is based on a series of books where he is clearly male.  And there are no female WItchers at the start of Witcher 1, Triss is a mage.

The whole story of the Witcher game series is based after the books.

I know it's based off books. That still doesn't change the fact that the character could be made bigendered. And I'm pretty sure that hte opening has female witcher characters in it other then Triss. Unless I'm thinking of another game which I don't think I am because only the Witcher has that horrible of a combat and movement system.

I'm not saying the character should be changed only that the character as it's templated in both the Witcher and Witcher 2 could be done as a female character.

Nope, Triss is the only female at the start of Witcher 1.  The only female Witcher that we know is Ciri who is a young girl, or at least she was a young girl at the end of the first Witcher book, also the only one published in English so that's about as deep as my lore knowledge goes.

The story though is based on Geralt, it's all about him getting back his memory and Witcher 3 is about him finding out where Yennefer is.  A female Geralt will not work.

The only way a female character works, is if CD Projekt allows us to play as a premade female character like a Triss Merigold, which isn't very likely.

Once they get to work on their own IP, I'm sure CD Projekt will have no issues with allowing us to chose between a male and female character.

[azerSheppard]

Opsrbest wrote...

I know it's based off books. That still doesn't change the fact that the character could be made bigendered. And I'm pretty sure that hte opening has female witcher characters in it other then Triss. Unless I'm thinking of another game which I don't think I am because only the Witcher has that horrible of a combat and movement system.

I'm not saying the character should be changed only that the character as it's templated in both the Witcher and Witcher 2 could be done as a female character.

No female Witcher in game. Only in novels.

Changing gender or adding one toward the 3rd game, and i think 5 novel(or more?). Even if fans started sending deaththreats to them they wouldn't do it. They believe the novels to be Polish heritage. I don't know if anyone remembers Obama's visited Poland, he got a basket with a copy of TW2 :lol: And a novel of TW from Andrzej Sapkowski. It's the one IP my polish mates are proud of to be part of.

[Pfor]

My god, CDProjekt have made two games. They're not the next anything yet.

[cutegigi]

The Angry One wrote...

garf wrote...

The topic is "Is CD Project the next Bioware" and the answer for me is "No" - Why? twofold. I like to play female characters, I have little use for fantasy (or at least the kind of fantasy where the state of the art for weapons is pre-gunpowder) I realize that makes me very much a niche player. But CD project has yet to produce something within my niche. Bioware Did .. more than once before it finally died in front of me. So no. for me there is yet no sucessor to Bioware's throne.

Pretty much my feelings on the matter.
I'm used to playing as males in games, but in RPGs? I'm a very slow, methodical RPG player, if I'm going to spend a lot of time on an RPG it's going to be with a character I can get into totally, and I can't do that with a man.
This part has nothing to do with feminism (and why do people keep thinking it does?), it's personal preference, and for that reason CDPR have as yet nothing to offer me.

because you keep harping on the cards. thats why. like you personally hurt by them or something.
and you did not even play the game... 

[cutegigi]

Opsrbest wrote...

Meh, garbage games like the Witcher get shoved into the obscurity with the rest of them. Either way. I edited my post since people, like you, misunderstood what I said. Which I can't say on this forum I am all to suprised on.

yeah. same thing about you.

[Adanu]

Skyline45 wrote...

Adanu wrote...

So what does that make people who like both Bioware and CD?

Nothing? I was just making the observation that all the values that Bioware used to hold seem to be moving over to CD Projekt

Huh? Making an observation about judgments and nothing for me? Hypocrite.

[The Angry One]

cutegigi wrote...

because you keep harping on the cards. thats why. like you personally hurt by them or something.
and you did not even play the game... 

And I said nothing against the game, other than my personal reasons for not playing it.

My point about the cards stands, and has nothing to do with anything else.

[azerSheppard]

cutegigi wrote...

because you keep harping on the cards. thats why. like you personally hurt by them or something.
and you did not even play the game... 

It's kinde funny, no one complained when you could collect old playboy covers in Maffia2, the target audience is hetrosuxual young adult male, for both games. Doesn't mean you can't enjoy them otherwise, but does explain why some females are insulted by them.

[garf]

azerSheppard wrote...

garf wrote...

Not sure how that's 'fan service' (gender options for the player character) that's game design. The fact of the matter is an important selling point to me is weather or not 'my' character (the one I wish to at least partially identify with) is female. I don't see how that's 'fan service'. It's just a feature I look for. and usually is a deal breaker for me. (I did make an exception for Sam Fisher)

I'm not calling the demand of female lead "fan service". But i do find it strange. It's like if a guy demanded the next Lara Croft game to have a John Craft lead character, so guys can identify with the lead...
That just doesnt WORK, Lara Croft is a set character, established over several games. Geralt is a set character established over several works of fiction.

Wrong emphasis. If the shoe was on the other foot, and I only could get 'into' male MCs then I'd probably never look twice at a tomb raider game. Velvet Assasin on the other hand did get purchased because she looked at first glance (boy was I wrong) like a female WWII Sam Fisher. Mercenaries let me play Jennifer Mui. (also voiced by HALE booya!)  so there's no female option for The Witcher.  That's a huge personal downcheck for me. Not a 'demand' but a selection criteria. I see no need to apologise for it.

[Greed1914]

Opsrbest wrote...

Meh, garbage games like the Witcher get shoved into the obscurity with the rest of them. Either way. I edited my post since people, like you, misunderstood what I said. Which I can't say on this forum I am all to suprised on.

So it's our fault you weren't clear to begin with?  Usually, the thing to do is to actually adress what someone has said rather than go back and try to sneak it in. 

And yeah, about that garbage game.  It, and its sequel, seem to be doing quite well.  I'm not seeing it being shoved into obscurity any time soon. 

[Strategyking92]

I think CD Projekt has always done it's own thing. The Witcher has it's own sort of attitude and such compared to any other RPG out right now, and it's pretty refreshing.

.....And feminism is for ugly women, duh.

[JustifiablyDefenestrated]

BringBackNihlus wrote...

One male character because we thought it was appropriate for the story and game?

YOU PIGS! YOU DIRTY, INTOLERANT PIGS!

This would probably be a good time to bring up dogs and smurfs...

http://maxbarry.com/...07/08/news.html

The point isn't that having a male protagonist is offensive (it's not), the point is that their is a tremendous lack of female protagonists in video games, and that Bioware is one of the only companies that actually includes females in a meaningful way. The female characters in The Witcher are, lets face it, mostly portrayed as sex objects. You could argue that Triss is a strong female character, but you'd have to ignore the fact that she's naked for aproximately 25% of her screen-time. (And no, I'm not saying that nudity precludes a person from being strong and independant; I'm saying that her nudity is one of her most defining characteristics in the game, which, if you are a female gamer, is a bit awkward when you're trying to relate to her character).

I wouldn't say the CDprojekt is the new Bioware-- they ignore the importance of choice where it matters the most.

[garf]

azerSheppard wrote...

garf wrote...

Chrislo1990 wrote...

What do you guys think about Bethesda? They were willing to fix the fallout 3 ending after fan feedback. I'm not too familar with them though other than the elder scrolls and fallout games they made

They're fun. I really enjoyed FONV.

(oh wait that's obsidian...)

trouble is.. sandbox games get boring after a while.  Bioware used to know how to write a story. The narrative might have been on rails but you could select some side tracks, customize the heck out of your cabin, pick your fellow passengers and WELL one HELL of a rollercoaster ride.

And at the end it's like they reversed their tactics. the most conceptually different choices ever in the whole trilogy and they bend over backwards to make them look the same. They give us a beautiful illusion of Player Agency throught a fantastic series. Then hand us three sour cupcakes on a platter and tell us they are letting us win, Pick your identically bitter but differently sweetened endings.

I honestly don't know who will replace them for me. But so far CD Project hasn't blown any thrills up my skirt.

NV is actually obsidian.

Bethesda is great tho, i like FO3 over FONV. It didn't really feel like a step forward, more like a step sideways.

An important step sidewise. Back into the 'real' Fallout universe.  FO 3 wasn't bad. and I'm not one of those weirdos who insists it has to be isometric and turn based to be Fallout ... But...  FONV felt like Fallout. FO 3 was more... 'oblivion with guns' (not that THAT is a BAD thing)

[Icinix]

JustifiablyDefenestrated wrote...

BringBackNihlus wrote...

One male character because we thought it was appropriate for the story and game?

YOU PIGS! YOU DIRTY, INTOLERANT PIGS!

This would probably be a good time to bring up dogs and smurfs...

http://maxbarry.com/...07/08/news.html

The point isn't that having a male protagonist is offensive (it's not), the point is that their is a tremendous lack of female protagonists in video games, and that Bioware is one of the only companies that actually includes females in a meaningful way. The female characters in The Witcher are, lets face it, mostly portrayed as sex objects. You could argue that Triss is a strong female character, but you'd have to ignore the fact that she's naked for aproximately 25% of her screen-time. (And no, I'm not saying that nudity precludes a person from being strong and independant; I'm saying that her nudity is one of her most defining characteristics in the game, which, if you are a female gamer, is a bit awkward when you're trying to relate to her character).

I wouldn't say the CDprojekt is the new Bioware-- they ignore the importance of choice where it matters the most.

With all respsect to CDprojeckt, they've also created a world where women generally aren't treated as equals too.

However, they have humans, mages, elves and dwarfs - and with each race are individuals whose moral codes are different.

Regardless, BioWare has never really respected the female character much, they've always teetered on the edge of full blown sex object too. I remember a game a few years back, some of you may remember it, whose lead female NPC had jiggling boobs.

[HenchxNarf]

The Angry One wrote...

Oh, did my comments sting that much? Witcher fanboys are cute.

And you said you don't attack people.

What do you think this is?

As for the OP: I actually read the books, and I loved them. That's what made me want to get into the games. I wasn't fond of the sex cards, but it was kind of over the top. I played both Witcher games, and I love CDPR, but they're very much not the new BioWare. They're good, but Bioware is better.

Modifié par HenchxNarf, 06 avril 2012 - 05:27 .