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[The Angry One]

HenchxNarf wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Oh, did my comments sting that much? Witcher fanboys are cute.

And you said you don't attack people.

What do you think this is?

You call that an attack?
Do forgive my bluntless to an OP who specifically spends an entire paragraph whining about me.

[LegendaryBlade]

Skyline45 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Oh, did my comments sting that much? Witcher fanboys are cute.

No your entitled to your opinion, but you did derail the topic

Really

Really?!

[garf]

JustifiablyDefenestrated wrote...

BringBackNihlus wrote...

One male character because we thought it was appropriate for the story and game?

YOU PIGS! YOU DIRTY, INTOLERANT PIGS!

This would probably be a good time to bring up dogs and smurfs...

http://maxbarry.com/...07/08/news.html

The point isn't that having a male protagonist is offensive (it's not), the point is that their is a tremendous lack of female protagonists in video games, and that Bioware is one of the only companies that actually includes females in a meaningful way. The female characters in The Witcher are, lets face it, mostly portrayed as sex objects. You could argue that Triss is a strong female character, but you'd have to ignore the fact that she's naked for aproximately 25% of her screen-time. (And no, I'm not saying that nudity precludes a person from being strong and independant; I'm saying that her nudity is one of her most defining characteristics in the game, which, if you are a female gamer, is a bit awkward when you're trying to relate to her character).

I wouldn't say the CDprojekt is the new Bioware-- they ignore the importance of choice where it matters the most.

Actually the nudity wouldn't bother me. in some of her scenes I WISH I had a body like Merigold's.  But .. well ... I don't think collecting souvenier cards of the males I've spread for would be an endearing feature of a game to me. Nor having a romance forced on my becuase the book says I must swoon for Geralt's manly white locks.

er.. anyway I'm not asking them to rewrite or deviate from the novels but ... Geralt just.. Doesn't do it for me as 'my' character in an RPG.

I was happier playing the nameless princess in Fable III and there were guns there too.

[HenchxNarf]

The Angry One wrote...

HenchxNarf wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Oh, did my comments sting that much? Witcher fanboys are cute.

And you said you don't attack people.

What do you think this is?

You call that an attack?
Do forgive my bluntless to an OP who specifically spends an entire paragraph whining about me.

You walk away, you don't respond. You know.. be the bigger person.

[MintyCool]

Both companies are great: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11049551/1

[HenchxNarf]

MintyCool wrote...

Both companies are great: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11049551/1

MINTY! <3

And yes, they are.

[Icinix]

The Angry One wrote...

garf wrote...

The topic is "Is CD Project the next Bioware" and the answer for me is "No" - Why? twofold. I like to play female characters, I have little use for fantasy (or at least the kind of fantasy where the state of the art for weapons is pre-gunpowder) I realize that makes me very much a niche player. But CD project has yet to produce something within my niche. Bioware Did .. more than once before it finally died in front of me. So no. for me there is yet no sucessor to Bioware's throne.

Pretty much my feelings on the matter.
I'm used to playing as males in games, but in RPGs? I'm a very slow, methodical RPG player, if I'm going to spend a lot of time on an RPG it's going to be with a character I can get into totally, and I can't do that with a man.
This part has nothing to do with feminism (and why do people keep thinking it does?), it's personal preference, and for that reason CDPR have as yet nothing to offer me.

Its a fair point. Plenty of men can't play Tomb Raider because they can't get into playing as a woman, same as a few others such as Blood Rayne.

I also find it hard to play as a female character because I feel less in control of the avatar. Where as set characters from Deus Ex and TW I find easier to play.

Same way when I was younger a lot of my female friends picked female characters in Mortal Kombat and Street Fighter and my male friends picked male characters.

Sometimes people just relate better to playing a lead character of their own sex. Theres nothing wrong with that.

I'm sure eventually CDProjektRed will bring out a custom character for a future game. They're just trying to really bring the world to life right now, bring the publications into the gaming world.

[Zolt51]

OP, NOOOOO! Don't let CDProjekt introduce underwear in places where it doesn't belong!

[HenchxNarf]

Zolt51 wrote...

OP, NOOOOO! Don't let CDProjekt introduce underwear in places where it doesn't belong!

Omg, I just snorted my soda.

Underwear is bad, yo!

[Zolt51]

Icinix wrote...

With all respsect to CDprojeckt, they've also created a world where women generally aren't treated as equals too.

It's a world called.. EDIT: I don't want to turn this into a politico-cultural debate.

I do like the fact that they're not afraid of throwing political correctness down the drain.

Modifié par Zolt51, 06 avril 2012 - 05:53 .

[Mr.Snithums]

JustifiablyDefenestrated wrote...

BringBackNihlus wrote...

One male character because we thought it was appropriate for the story and game?

YOU PIGS! YOU DIRTY, INTOLERANT PIGS!

This would probably be a good time to bring up dogs and smurfs...

http://maxbarry.com/...07/08/news.html

The point isn't that having a male protagonist is offensive (it's not), the point is that their is a tremendous lack of female protagonists in video games, and that Bioware is one of the only companies that actually includes females in a meaningful way. The female characters in The Witcher are, lets face it, mostly portrayed as sex objects. You could argue that Triss is a strong female character, but you'd have to ignore the fact that she's naked for aproximately 25% of her screen-time. (And no, I'm not saying that nudity precludes a person from being strong and independant; I'm saying that her nudity is one of her most defining characteristics in the game, which, if you are a female gamer, is a bit awkward when you're trying to relate to her character).

I wouldn't say the CDprojekt is the new Bioware-- they ignore the importance of choice where it matters the most.

Well I'm not extremely familiar with the source material for the Witcher 1 & 2 but as far as I know it is all based off a series of novels with Geralt as the protagonist. If the Witcher games had been more along the lines of spin-offs to the novels and worked to expand the universe then I would agree the choice of playing a female protagonist is somewhat expected. However they are running a directed narrative with Geralt at its head. While I can't speak for the company, based on their reaction and actions with the community I'm sure they would be more than willing to accomodate for female gamers in future IPs. Besides as far as BioWare goes with its gender differences tis but a few lines of dialog and a couple romance options. It provides a unique tone but you could get the same general feel from either gender played, at least in my experience.

As for the nudity and sex cards in the game I personally don't care either way but then again I'm a guy so I suppose you wouldn't expect me to. From a story standpoint though I feel moving from the more rudementary/childish sex cards of TW1 to what the Witcher 2 does is far better for atmosphere. You might not agree with it but I do appreciate a game that does not treat its audience like a bunch of children. Of course nudity doesn't automatically associate with maturity but some of us can enjoy and appreciate a game normally without jumping and going "omg boobs."

[Drenick18]

dammit guys don't jinx CDProjekt. all these CDProjekt and Witcher 2 posts on the Bioware forum are scaring me. DON'T PUT THEM ON EA's radar.

[Diablos2525]

lucidfox wrote...

Skyline45 wrote...

I know theres already a topic on this but it has since been derail thanks to "The Anrgy One" getting into some stupid Feminisme BS...

Feminism isn't BS.

Feminism, as it exists today, is completely irrelevant and nonsensical. It had a purpose at one point during it's first wave and after their goals were reached the only people it encompasses now are very angry women who need to lighten up and kiss a boy and have a good time. This is probably why "The Angry One" is a feminist. Kind of fits the name, don't you think?

[JustifiablyDefenestrated]

garf wrote...
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Actually the nudity wouldn't bother me. in some of her scenes I WISH I had a body like Merigold's.  But .. well ... I don't think collecting souvenier cards of the males I've spread for would be an endearing feature of a game to me. Nor having a romance forced on my becuase the book says I must swoon for Geralt's manly white locks.

er.. anyway I'm not asking them to rewrite or deviate from the novels but ... Geralt just.. Doesn't do it for me as 'my' character in an RPG.

I was happier playing the nameless princess in Fable III and there were guns there too.

I guess I wasn't commenting so much on the nudity, as the specific goal that the devs. had in mind with their portrayal of nudity. They weren't trying to make Triss admirable; they weren't trying to get players to say, "Oh, I'd like to be like her!" They were trying to make Triss seem sexually attractive, right? Notice how Geralt is never actually nude? It's because guys probably don't want to, "swoon for [his] manly white locks". At least, that's the conclusion I drew. (btw, "manly white locks" might be the greatest phrase ever invented to describe Geralt-- when I read this, I snorted in a very unlady-like fashion--suffice to say, chai tea everywhere).

What I'm trying to say is that Geralt might not be your cup of tea because he was specifically designed not to be your cup of tea. He was designed to be admirable and relatable to a subset of people; specifically people who are not female. Furthermore, I think that there are not many girls who are interested in collecting trading cards of their "conquests". I may be wrong, but it just seems like something that doesn't appeal to many girls--maybe becase they are so often objectified in this manner. I have absolutely no verification for this, but the game mechanic itself seems designed for guys.

[Wowky]

garf wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Skyline45 wrote...

It is when the arguments that are used are relating to a story that is fictional.

I merely pointed out that TW1's sex cards were juvenile.. and they are.

yeah as if girls were 'pokemon' "Gotta catch sex them all"

I think that's more a comment on the story itself...if you've read any of the Witcher books, that is the kind of attitude toward women that is portrayed in them. I'm not saying I agree/disagree with it, but yeah, women are seen as ploughing objects in the book (whether that's social commentary or just the author's misogyny coming into play, I have no idea)

[Wowky]

The Angry One wrote...

What has that have to do with what I said? Where would be the harm in adding a female/customisable character?
If that counts as "fanservice" to you, don't bother responding.

In the case of a game that was developed in a bubble and was an original story (eg ME), I think it's perfectly reasonable to allow the main character to be any gender/look like anything etc...but when you're talking about a game based heavily on a series of novels that have for some time firmly established their main character in a certain way (Geralt is male, has white hair, freaky eyes, a big scar on his face etc), then I think it's doing the story a disservice to go against that.

Modifié par Wowky, 06 avril 2012 - 06:15 .

[Varus Praetor]

The Angry One wrote...

Skyline45 wrote...

It is when the arguments that are used are relating to a story that is fictional.

I merely pointed out that TW1's sex cards were juvenile.. and they are.

I'll bet you really liked TW2's "romance" scenes then!  Apparently CD Projekt agreed with you and decided to up the anty a bit.

Personally, getting upset about the sex cards seems silly whether they're juvenile or not.  The video games are based on novels and the main character gets around...a LOT.

[Pairikas]

CD Projekt has not quite this huge "Choice and Consequenzes" like Bioware once had in the old Days. They have a more straight Story-Line, but based on really good writing - From the Books to the Game. But I think that is not really the Point, the Point is they are my most favorite and trustet Gamecompany out there because of their absolut amazing Fan-Service.
When it comes to Fan-Service, Bioware has not even a little Chance against CD Projekt. But I can't see any Gamecompany who can reach them in that Point right now.
And when it comes to Quality, Witcher2 owns ME3. ME3 is Geralds little ****.

[Varus Praetor]

Wowky wrote...

garf wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Skyline45 wrote...

It is when the arguments that are used are relating to a story that is fictional.

I merely pointed out that TW1's sex cards were juvenile.. and they are.

yeah as if girls were 'pokemon' "Gotta catch sex them all"

I think that's more a comment on the story itself...if you've read any of the Witcher books, that is the kind of attitude toward women that is portrayed in them. I'm not saying I agree/disagree with it, but yeah, women are seen as ploughing objects in the book (whether that's social commentary or just the author's misogyny coming into play, I have no idea)

I don't think it's representative of the author's views.  There's also a ridiculous amount of blatant racism in the books as well.  The "non-humans" and what not.  The author just wanted to build his fantasy setting a bit darker than most.  And it must be working because the novels are crazy popular (if they'd ever finish the English translations) and they're making waves as video games as well.  Racism, misogyny, let's be honest, are not that out of place in the type of setting he's created.  Think of what Earth was like 1000 years ago.

[FedericoV]

We will have the *next* Bioware when his most talented devs will leave EA/Bioware to form an indipendent complany like Obsidian.

CdRed is CdRed and we should stop with the silly titles like "king of rpgs" and such. That hype crap is only good for IGN and Kotaku...

Modifié par FedericoV, 06 avril 2012 - 06:26 .

[HenchxNarf]

Varus Praetor wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Skyline45 wrote...

It is when the arguments that are used are relating to a story that is fictional.

I merely pointed out that TW1's sex cards were juvenile.. and they are.

I'll bet you really liked TW2's "romance" scenes then!  Apparently CD Projekt agreed with you and decided to up the anty a bit.

Personally, getting upset about the sex cards seems silly whether they're juvenile or not.  The video games are based on novels and the main character gets around...a LOT.

I think that's an understatement lol he could have populated one of the towns all on his own.

[Clumsy Astronaut]

Eh, maybe if CD Projekt made characters I gave a rat's arse about. The thing that I always enjoyed about Bioware was the characters, and even though the ending of ME3 destroyed my love of the story the characters are still my favorites.

[Wowky]

garf wrote...
I have little use for fantasy (or at least the kind of fantasy where the state of the art for weapons is pre-gunpowder) I realize that makes me very much a niche player.

I tend to be the same...it takes a LOT to get me into a fantasy game (never liked Final Fantasy, Dragon Age, etc etc etc...I'm just not a fantasy person), but the story of The Witcher 1 and 2 is really compelling, and the massive grey-area that exists in your choices is really fun - there's really no right or wrong, only choice.

I'd say give it a try, because (based on your post anyway) you sound like you have similar taste to me and was skeptical at first but came to love it.

Also try Alpha Protocol (it's got pretty average gameplay, but the story and stuff is mad).