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[Tov01]

Ackbar vas Rannoch wrote...

Ya I've seen that tweet but according to the community she falls under the category of "Questionable Sources". From what I've heard she isn't exactly reliable.

Yeah, I thought that might be the case. But some hope is better than none.

If it turns out to be false, I guess I'll just have to turn to head cannon I've already created.

[omphaloskepsis]

j78 wrote...
Sorry but all the crazy revolves around the star brat and we’re stuck with him.

This, unfortunately.  I could probably deal with the rest of the plot holes, but this isn't negotiable.  No wait, everything after the appearance of the starchild is insanity.  The teleporting squad mates, the exploding mass relays that are supposed to destroy entire solar systems--all of the space magic needs to be excised. 

[yahtzo]

If it involves Shepard reuniting with his/her crew/LI then I will be satisfied.

[Wabajakka]

Unfortunately, if you want to reunite with the crew (and I dunno how the **** THAT is going to happen) you would need to pick destroy... Who would pick anything else if destroy was what reunited your crew?

[Phyzzix]

Orange Tee wrote...

Unfortunately, if you want to reunite with the crew (and I dunno how the **** THAT is going to happen) you would need to pick destroy... Who would pick anything else if destroy was what reunited your crew?

lologic in the ME3 ending. We'll have none of that, ye hear?

[Byronic-Knight]

At this point, no matter what Bioware does to try to cobble together a passable explanation for the complete and utter disgrace of an ending, I have decided that I'm not going to let it bother me, because I came up with an alternate scenario, in my head, while I watched the credits roll. And since it was my story to tell, my decision to make in directing Shepard's actions, I have decided that this is the path for my Shepard---the option for this path (series) not being provided in-game notwithstanding.

**Fair warning---This is rather long, and I apologise to anyone suddenly stumbling upon this massive amount of text.**

Catalyst: "You must choose."

Shepard: "No."

Cat: "But you must."

Shep: "Why?"

Cat: "It is the only way."

Shep: "No. . . it isn't. You said that there should be a new cycle. . . I choose one without the Reapers, without the cycle, and without you."

Cat: "Then you choose destruction?"

Shep: "Yes. . . but on my terms."

Cat: "What?"

Shep: "You allow us to grow, to thrive, for mellenia. . . and then come in and think we will go without a fight. You think your solution is better for us, but all you are doing is dominating us. You say you help us to transcend, but all you accomplish in your harvest is the enslavement of organics. . . making us tools. . . husks. You reduce us to mindless shells not worthy of life."

Cat: "It is the cycle. Otherwise, there would be chaos."

Shep: "Why? Because we create synthetics?"

Cat: "They will rebel."

Shep: "But in this cycle. . . they didn't. Their creators. . . the Quarians. . . became frightened. . . because they began to ask questions. The Geth. . . acted out of self-defense! Self. . . preservation. They were victims! And the only reason. . . there was a war. . . was because of the indoctrination. . . perpetrated by your creation! Nazara. . . Sovereign. . . caused them to rebel. . . against their own kind. . . Against themselves."

Cat: "But the cycle is to restore order."

Shep: "I have restored order! I have restored it. . . by uniting every scrap of sentient life in this galaxy capable of combating the threat you have brought. . . the threat you control. I have brought mortal enemies together. . . I have brought synthetics. . . and. . . organics. . . together, to stop this doom you have forced on us."

Cat: "Your destruction is your salvation, for you will transcend."

Shep: "Who gave you authority over what is salvation!? Your idea of transcendence. . . is no different from genocide!"

Cat (after a pause): "The peace you created was only made possible because of us. It will not last once we are gone."

Shep: "Then we will make it last. . . for as long as we can. . . without you. . . or anyone. . . determining our fate. It will be us---organics. . . and synthetics---our decisions. . . sustaining peace, or. . . ensuring destruction, without your. . . intervention."

Cat: "That is chaos. We will restore order."

Shep: "Order according to your will! Even by choosing. . . one of these solutions you've provided. . . it would still be submission. . . to that will. Predetermined options. . . provided by you. You forget. . . that I have all the cards. . . that you have left the choice to me. . . and I refuse subservience. This struggle ends here."---(S)he finds strength, and stands up straighter---"I have brought the full might of the galaxy to bear upon you. If you will not willingly leave us to chart our own future. . . with the Citadel. . . with the Relays. . . then we will destroy your creations. . . the Reapers. . . or we will die trying!"

* * * * * * * *

Then, depending on a complex algorithm---taking into account the war assets, if the Collector base, Geth heretics, Rachni, and/or Council were saved; who, from your crew, is still alive, love interest (minor perhaps, but still); paragon/renegade score; and reputation (basically, everything you've done throughout the trilogy)---the Catalyst relents, commands the Reapers to retreat and depart (because you convince It that the galaxy will be better without the them and/or the cycle), or Shepard sits down on the Citadel floor and either watches the Reapers decimate the forces you've spent the rest of the game amassing---harvesting the bodies, doing their Reaper thing---or watches the fleets of the galaxy wipe the Reapers out of existence.

Also, if the Catalyst is not convinced---therefore not making the Reapers retreat---and the galaxy's forces are triumphant---again, depending on your war assets---and maybe your reputation, paragon/renegade score and possibly love interest (giving you the strength to survive)---Shepard can bleed-out on the Citadel, which would lead to a funeral or ceremony where you see Wrex and Garrus and Liara and Tali and Anderson etc. (everyone, basically) commemorating (your) Shepard's life, and honouring all the heroic acts (s)he accomplished and deeds (s)he performed, along with the sacrifices of everyone else that died along the way.

Or, if everything is high enough---war assets, reputation, etc.---the Normandy can reach him/her in time, so (s)he lives.

No matter if the Reapers retreat or the galaxy's forces win and Shepard lives, it leads in to a celebration, with Shepard all bandaged up, next to his/her love interest, surrounded by everyone, and (s)he is there for the commemorations of all those lost in the war against the Reapers, him/herself reading whatever names were on the placard in the Normandy, followed by a brief epilogue detailing the remainder of his/her life, then fade to black, then credits roll. THEN cut-scene with Buzz Aldrin with his grandson talking about 'The Shepard'.

There, I just gave you three (or four) more endings---(1) Reapers win; (2) Reapers lose but Shepard dies; (3) Reapers lose but Shepard lives; and (though the outcome is ultimately the same as three) (4) Catalyst is proven wrong and Reapers retreat. It took me a little over an hour to write it all and just about half the length of the credits to come up with.

You're welcome.

(and again, I apologise for the length, especially for a first post.)

Modifié par Byronic-Knight, 06 avril 2012 - 06:30 .

[Tom Lehrer]

I think I love you Byronic.

[Ackbar vas Rannoch]

Well its kind of a trade off. The only reason someone would have picked the destroy ending over control or synthesis would be because they wanted to save the ones they loved. The destroy option offers a solution to the reaper problem however it leaves organics in the vicious cycle of war that organics are prone to. So in essence if you picked destroy its because you wanted to save the people you cared about and you were willing to possibly sacrifice the future peace of all to do so.

[Ziggy]

Ackbar vas Rannoch wrote...

Well its kind of a trade off. The only reason someone would have picked the destroy ending over control or synthesis would be because they wanted to save the ones they loved. The destroy option offers a solution to the reaper problem however it leaves organics in the vicious cycle of war that organics are prone to. So in essence if you picked destroy its because you wanted to save the people you cared about and you were willing to possibly sacrifice the future peace of all to do so.

This is why I will never be satisfied with an extended cut. Paragon shep will still be dead.

[Suparaddy]

It also showed a real, genuine, fully rendered and detailed TALI'S FACE.

[Tom Lehrer]

Ackbar vas Rannoch wrote...

Well its kind of a trade off. The only reason someone would have picked the destroy ending over control or synthesis would be because they wanted to save the ones they loved. The destroy option offers a solution to the reaper problem however it leaves organics in the vicious cycle of war that organics are prone to. So in essence if you picked destroy its because you wanted to save the people you cared about and you were willing to possibly sacrifice the future peace of all to do so.

The other two are even worse. Control is the path taken by TIM and there is no promise the reapers stay gone and synthesis is rape on a galactic scale. Shepard went into the mission with one goal and to quote paragon Shepard "I wont let fear compromise who I am".

To pick any thing but destory means you fail the mission and eaither follow TIMs path or violate all life. Yes the Geth and EDI are somehow killed but all other life is saved and free to take its own path.

Modifié par Tom Lehrer, 06 avril 2012 - 07:19 .

[Suparaddy]

Alas Byronic, well crafted but sadly I do not think they will implement it. You have tread upon their AI (and no, I don't mean artificial intelligence)

[lucidfox]

Short version: no.
Long version: heck no.

[kalasaurus]

Maybe it will give you the option to have TIM redeem himself somehow and we won't have to commit genocide to get Shepard to live? I still am only comfortable with the "destroy" option but I hate how it backs us into the corner. I am OK with Shepard dying, but not if it means compromising with the one force that has terrorized life for billions of years. It feels like a betrayal to all life that tried to stop them.