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[Dylan Dogood]

Hello People

I feel this forum is not a place for fans but a place for people that hate.
You talk about the ending and how Bioware betrayed you. You talk about how the mother brain EA ruined Dragon age 2, and how it´s only natural that Mass effect 3 went the same route. You consider Mass Effect 2 to be only a shadow of the original Mass Effect, the only true Space Opera RPG.

Basically. I wonder how people with all the aforementioned views can still be considered fans. They haven´t liked a Bioware game for half a decade. What are you doing on these forums when the only thing you do is rant about how Bioware continuously makes worse games, with less of what you love for every game.

I understand that you have been on these forums a long time. And consider yourselves the elite. And gotten a lot of friends. 

But some times I just want you to leave.

I think It´s fine to dislike an ending or a detail or two.
But apart from that shouldn´t this forum be a place for people who actually likes the games Bioware makes Today. A place for fans.

Modifié par Dylan Dogood, 06 avril 2012 - 12:46 .

[Jexx21]

i'm a fan that loves what I played of Dragon Age 2 (the demo), loves Mass Effect, Mass Effect 2, and Mass Effect 3. I even love the ending, even though it was a step down in quality from the rest of the game.

Then again, I don't hate the concept of the ending, just the execution. That's why I'm excited for the extended cut.

[Dragoonlordz]

I think the correct term is 'marriage of convenience' to many of them. They like them, support them as long as they do what they want or demand. When they do not the threats and vitriol begins, the insults and hyperbole all comes to the surface. Simply bullying tactics in order to get what they want. I find it amusing to a small degree when people use the phrase they are doing it for Bioware's sake and because they love them when in reality for most it is a case of they are only in it for themselves and what they want. The word 'fan' and especially 'passionate fan' has become something to hide behind for many, a simple disguise of motives and agendas.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 06 avril 2012 - 04:42 .

[Rogue Unit]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I think the correct term is 'marriage of convenience' to many of them. They like them, support them as long as they make quality products. Which they don't anymore

Fix'd

[VolusvsReaper]

Still a fan still buying DA3

[Sgt Stryker]

There is a difference between a fan and a fanboy.

[Elite Midget]

Fans are the most passionate of all consumers, they will pour their money and soul to you and will spew venom when they catch you in bed with another lover. Bioware wanted the CoD fanbase at the cost of their current one, it shows in the end product.

[Dylan Dogood]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I think the correct term is 'marriage of convenience' to many of them. They like them, support them as long as they do what they want or demand. When they do not the threats and vitriol begins, the insults and hyperbole all comes to the surface. Simply bullying tactics in order to get what they want. I find it amusing to a small degree when people use the phrase they are doing it for Bioware's sake and because they love them when in reality for most it is a case of they are only in it for themselves and what they want. The word 'fan' and especially 'passionate fan' has become something to hide behind for many, a simple disguise of motives and agendas.

That is bleak, I think there are many fans that dislike the ending but still generally like what bioware makes. They just disapear in all the hate of a few. 

[VolusvsReaper]

Elite Midget wrote...

Fans are the most passionate of all consumers, they will pour their money and soul to you and will spew venom when they catch you in bed with another lover. Bioware wanted the CoD fanbase at the cost of their current one, it shows in the end product.

Not really. Hate Activision and CoD as much as you want (I find plenty to hate on it) But MWF3 had a very good single player campaign story wise. Also the Shooting aspects and MP aspects are so completely different from each other.

[Yellowwizard]

Let me make my standpoint perfectly clear.
Mass Effect 3 was a great game. The scenes on the Citadel were immersive. Rannoch and Tuchanka were some of the best written story arcs I've ever had the pleasure of taking part in.
Mordin's part in this game made me cry it was so poignant.

The ending, however, was disappointing and I would be willing to pay money to see it changed.
So yes, I'm a fan. Part of being a fan is applying rational, constructive criticism where applicable so that the developers and writers can learn and grow, creating a better product.

I hold by my opinion that Bioware's games get better and better with each release. The multiplayer in ME3 was done very well. The game itself flowed smoothly and was (For me) bug free at release. This is a hallmark of professionalism. The graphics were good, and the music was, as always, amazing.
The only part of this game I would change IS the ending. It stands out so jarringly against the backdrop of an otherwise seamlessly great game like a bloodstain in an art gallery.

The reason we are so very upset about the ending of this game is because we are so invested in it. If we were not fans, we simply would not care.

Modifié par Yellowwizard, 06 avril 2012 - 04:58 .

[PiEman]

Just...my brain is starting to melt out of my ears.

This is why EA gets to stay in business. People really can be as stupid as the ones that continue to support Bioware's endings...

[JBONE27]

I might be the only guy who preferred Dragon Age 2 to Dragon Age: Origins. Honestly though, the ending to Mass Effect 3 ruined the game. Since the same thing happens regardless of what you choose to do, there is no replay value (I would argue that because of the brief epilogue we are given in DA:2 there is quite a bit of replay value.). Honestly, if they removed everything after *Spoiler* Anderson's death* and replaced it with one of three sets of different cut scenes, followed by a text and pictures type of epilogue alla DA:O, it would be a fitting end to the game, and one that could be built upon.

[Han Shot First]

Fan of the series? Yes, except for the horrible ending.

Fan of Bioware? No. The mess that was Dragon Age 2 and the ME3 ending debacle have caused me to lose faith in the company. They can no longer be trusted to either turn out a quality product, or to listen to the fans.

[Dragoonlordz]

Dylan Dogood wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I think the correct term is 'marriage of convenience' to many of them. They like them, support them as long as they do what they want or demand. When they do not the threats and vitriol begins, the insults and hyperbole all comes to the surface. Simply bullying tactics in order to get what they want. I find it amusing to a small degree when people use the phrase they are doing it for Bioware's sake and because they love them when in reality for most it is a case of they are only in it for themselves and what they want. The word 'fan' and especially 'passionate fan' has become something to hide behind for many, a simple disguise of motives and agendas.

That is bleak, I think there are many fans that dislike the ending but still generally like what bioware makes. They just disapear in all the hate of a few. 

I agree which is why I used the word many as opposed to all. I know and have spoken with some of the respectful and reasonable ones on the other side who were dissapointed in the game and various elements of it. But like you said they are drowned out by the less reasonable and less respectful ones.

[Dylan Dogood]

Yellowwizard wrote...

Let me make my standpoint perfectly clear.
Mass Effect 3 was a great game. The scenes on the Citadel were immersive. Rannoch and Tuchanka were some of the best written story arcs I've ever had the pleasure of taking part in.
Mordin's part in this game made me cry it was so poignant.

The ending, however, was disappointing and I would be willing to pay money to see it changed.
So yes, I'm a fan. Part of being a fan is applying rational, constructive criticism where applicable so that the developers and writers can learn and grow, creating a better product.

I hold by my opinion that Bioware's games get better and better with each release. The multiplayer in ME3 was done very well. The game itself flowed smoothly and was (For me) bug free at release. This is a hallmark of professionalism. The graphics were good, and the music was, as always, amazing.
The only part of this game I would change IS the ending. It stands out so jarringly against the backdrop of an otherwise seemlessly great game like a bloodstain in an art gallery.

The reason we are so very upset about the ending of this game is because we are so invested in it. If we were not fans, we simply would not care.

I will never have anything against people like you. I understand what you are coming from. You like the game but you found a fault in it. 

[Nimpe]

People care so much BECAUSE they're fans. They're amazed that the ending completely disregarded everything they worked for in the past 3 games. I love the Mass Effect and Dragon Age games. Bioware games are without a doubt my favorite games. It's because I love these games so much that I care -- care about the characters, universe, and everything. If I weren't a fan of say, Mass Effect 3 and I only halfheartedly played through the game, I wouldn't have cared about the ending and would have just gone meh.

[TheBlackPigeon]

Dylan Dogood wrote...

Hello People

I feel this forum is not a place for fans but a place for people that hate.
You talk about the ending and how Bioware betrayed you. You talk about how the mother brain EA ruined Dragon age 2, and how it´s only natural that Mass effect 3 went the same route. You consider Mass Effect 2 to be only a shadow of the original Mass Effect, the only true Space Opera RPG.

Basically. I wonder how people with all the aforementioned views can still be considered fans. They haven´t liked a Bioware game for half a decade. What are you doing on these forums when the only thing you do is rant about how Bioware continuously makes worse games, with less of what you love for every game.

I understand that you have been on these forums a long time. And consider yourselves the elite. And gotten alot of friends. 

But some times a just want you to leave.

I think It´s fine to dislike an ending or a detail or two.
But apart from that shouldn´t this forum be a place for people who actually likes the games Bioware makes Today. A place for fans.

Hello, Dylan.

Fans come in all shapes and sizes. Some love to gush about how the games they love are so awesome. Some love to do nothing but complain. Some love to complain because they love games, and feel they know how to make them better. Some people enjoy placing their favorite characters into uncomfortable sexual situations. No matter the preference, nearly everyone who frequents an official forum for their favorite video game can be considered a fan. And an official forum should be a place where any type of fan can put their feet up and say what they feel, whether good or bad (but always within reason).

Right now, the Bioware ME forums are filled with folks who are visibly and emotionally distraught with how the Shepard story arc ended. Expect it to be this way for quite some time. If you feel that it's going to bother you, then I humbly suggest that you simply ignore the posts concerning this, and focus your energies on the things you want to talk about, with the people that share in your interests. Or, if you feel it's getting to be too much, consider holding a private chat session elsewhere with other like minded individuals, free from the topics and attitudes that you may find distracting.

If this comes off as condescending, then I apologize. Just trying to put things into a different perspective for you. Bottom line = A Retaker isn't any less of a fan then a Pro-Ender, and vice versa. We're all fans in our own way.

[Brynj]

I'm not a retaker. I don't expect, nor demand, anything from Bioware. Though their poor handling of this situation and the disappointing ending to Mass Effect will definitely force me to be more wary of future purchases. Mass Effect 3 will probably be my last day one purchase of a Bioware game.

I think you have to remember, most of these people, myself included are/were Bioware fans. They want these games to be good. They want Bioware to realize they made a mistake. Not just to correct it for ME3, but to use that feedback for their future ones. They aren't fighting Bioware. They are fighting FOR them and the quality products they were known for. They want the last 10+ years they loved Bioware to mean something, and not just watch them turn into another factory line developer, pumping out titles regularly with no concern of their quality.

Frankly, I agree with them. The incomplete and lazy ending strikes me as a developer that had a deadline and needed to finish it. Creating numerous endings that factored in the players decision is what the series needed, but would not have been easy, cheap, or fast to produce. The fact they took the easy road scares me about the quality of their future titles.

Modifié par Brynj, 06 avril 2012 - 05:06 .

[Dylan Dogood]

PiEman wrote...

Just...my brain is starting to melt out of my ears.

This is why EA gets to stay in business. People really can be as stupid as the ones that continue to support Bioware's endings...

Oh no it isn`t. Your brain can take it.

Dislike the ending? That´s fine.
Hate everything Bioware has made since 2007 and still consider yourself a fan? ... 

[Yellowwizard]

The fewer flaws a thing has, the more those flaws stand out. This day and age, I'd really like to set a precedent where the game company CAN go back and change something, like patching in an MMO.
We have DLC. We have networks for DLC. The other time a horrible ending happened in this fashion (KOTOR2), Bioware was unable to go back and fix it afterward.
I'd really like to see them be able to fix this. The suits might think it's a bad idea, but the fans would be much happier- so long as this doesn't cause game studios to start releasing unfinished product and charging for later fixes.

Basically, gaming can be a truly interactive medium between the developers and the players, if we let it. This has to be handled with care, but I see a great deal of potential for improving the experience for both parties.

[PiEman]

Dylan Dogood wrote...

PiEman wrote...

Just...my brain is starting to melt out of my ears.

This is why EA gets to stay in business. People really can be as stupid as the ones that continue to support Bioware's endings...

Oh no it isn`t. Your brain can take it.

Dislike the ending? That´s fine.
Hate everything Bioware has made since 2007 and still consider yourself a fan? ... 

Where the hell did I say that?

The reason I'm so pissed is because I've followed this series since before it began, and they ruined it in the last five minutes and lied about it to boot.

[AngryFrozenWater]

I think that the BW games I like the most are generally the first of a franchise. I am a fan of those. Maybe they should just start a new franchise, create the first title, and sell the franchise afterwards. Continuity is not their strongest side.

Modifié par AngryFrozenWater, 06 avril 2012 - 05:10 .

[Dylan Dogood]

Nimpe wrote...

People care so much BECAUSE they're fans. They're amazed that the ending completely disregarded everything they worked for in the past 3 games. I love the Mass Effect and Dragon Age games. Bioware games are without a doubt my favorite games. It's because I love these games so much that I care -- care about the characters, universe, and everything. If I weren't a fan of say, Mass Effect 3 and I only halfheartedly played through the game, I wouldn't have cared about the ending and would have just gone meh.

I´m glad to hear it. It just not the impression I have gotten while lurking around the forums. I just think it´s sad how few threads are about how awesome the game is apart from the ending. Thats all.

[Zolt51]

Dylan Dogood wrote...

I feel this forum is not a place for fans but a place for people that hate.

It's the common denominator of self-described "fans" since the dawn of history that they mostly spend their time just crapping all over the place. (Thus the expression: The **** hit the fan?).