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[Wstonefi2]

I'm a fan of the Mass Effect series. But I'm not a fan of what Bioware has become.

[aberdash]

Your argument is based on it being required to like everything someone does to be fan. Your argument is clearly flawed.

[dragonflight288]

I'm not a retaker. I don't expect, nor demand, anything from Bioware. Though their poor handling of this situation and the disappointing ending to Mass Effect will definitely force me to be more wary of future purchases. Mass Effect 3 will probably be my last day one purchase of a Bioware game.

I think you have to remember, most of these people, myself included are/were Bioware fans. They want these games to be good. They want Bioware to realize they made a mistake. Not just to correct it for ME3, but to use that feedback for their future ones. They aren't fighting Bioware. They are fighting FOR them and the quality products they were known for. They want the last 10+ years they loved Bioware to mean something, and not just watch them turn into another factory line developer, pumping out titles regularly with no concern of their quality.

Frankly, I agree with them. The incomplete and lazy ending strikes me as a developer that had a deadline and needed to finish it. Creating numerous endings that factored in the players decision is what the series needed, but would not have been easy, cheap, or fast to produce. The fact they took the easy road scares me about the quality of their future titles.

I respect the civility of the tone here. But unfortunately, for every fan like you and me, and others like us, who calmly and respectfully express our disappointments, there are far more vocal fans who call for boycotting everything to do with Bioware, trying to ruin their reputation along with EA (which is already shoddy at best) and then go out of their way to ruin the experience for those who haven't finished the game.

The people who go on and on how they'll never buy another game or DLC made by Bioware. Period, doesn't matter how good it may be, they just won't. And these people are very vocal, and some (not all) proceed to go out of their way to convince others they shouldn't be fans and to give up everything associated with Mass Effect or Bioware.

[Ravenmyste]

i loved the endings so yes i am still calleda fan

[Dylan Dogood]

TheBlackPigeon wrote...

Dylan Dogood wrote...

Hello People

I feel this forum is not a place for fans but a place for people that hate.
You talk about the ending and how Bioware betrayed you. You talk about how the mother brain EA ruined Dragon age 2, and how it´s only natural that Mass effect 3 went the same route. You consider Mass Effect 2 to be only a shadow of the original Mass Effect, the only true Space Opera RPG.

Basically. I wonder how people with all the aforementioned views can still be considered fans. They haven´t liked a Bioware game for half a decade. What are you doing on these forums when the only thing you do is rant about how Bioware continuously makes worse games, with less of what you love for every game.

I understand that you have been on these forums a long time. And consider yourselves the elite. And gotten alot of friends. 

But some times a just want you to leave.

I think It´s fine to dislike an ending or a detail or two.
But apart from that shouldn´t this forum be a place for people who actually likes the games Bioware makes Today. A place for fans.

Hello, Dylan.

Fans come in all shapes and sizes. Some love to gush about how the games they love are so awesome. Some love to do nothing but complain. Some love to complain because they love games, and feel they know how to make them better. Some people enjoy placing their favorite characters into uncomfortable sexual situations. No matter the preference, nearly everyone who frequents an official forum for their favorite video game can be considered a fan. And an official forum should be a place where any type of fan can put their feet up and say what they feel, whether good or bad (but always within reason).

Right now, the Bioware ME forums are filled with folks who are visibly and emotionally distraught with how the Shepard story arc ended. Expect it to be this way for quite some time. If you feel that it's going to bother you, then I humbly suggest that you simply ignore the posts concerning this, and focus your energies on the things you want to talk about, with the people that share in your interests. Or, if you feel it's getting to be too much, consider holding a private chat session elsewhere with other like minded individuals, free from the topics and attitudes that you may find distracting.

If this comes off as condescending, then I apologize. Just trying to put things into a different perspective for you. Bottom line = A Retaker isn't any less of a fan then a Pro-Ender, and vice versa. We're all fans in our own way.

Thank you for post. I just personally feel that the amount of negative criticism on the forums does not match the quality of the actual game as a whole. That´s what makes me depressed. The ending controversy have overshadowed all of the good things. Kinda.

[Oldbones2]

You're right OP, If we don't like 100% of the game we should all GTFO, right?

Or maybe not, since no game is perfect. 90%?

That's a pretty high bar considering DA 2.

How about 75%? That seems fair.

Well, it is possible that Bioware releases a less than great game at least once in the future, so we'll say 50%.

And it goes without saying it should be the 50% that you like, right OP?

Alright folks if you don't like at least 50% of the game you have no place here. The conformity police will be coming by to make sure you like the things we tell you to like.

[Brynj]

dragonflight288 wrote...

I'm not a retaker. I don't expect, nor demand, anything from Bioware. Though their poor handling of this situation and the disappointing ending to Mass Effect will definitely force me to be more wary of future purchases. Mass Effect 3 will probably be my last day one purchase of a Bioware game.

I think you have to remember, most of these people, myself included are/were Bioware fans. They want these games to be good. They want Bioware to realize they made a mistake. Not just to correct it for ME3, but to use that feedback for their future ones. They aren't fighting Bioware. They are fighting FOR them and the quality products they were known for. They want the last 10+ years they loved Bioware to mean something, and not just watch them turn into another factory line developer, pumping out titles regularly with no concern of their quality.

Frankly, I agree with them. The incomplete and lazy ending strikes me as a developer that had a deadline and needed to finish it. Creating numerous endings that factored in the players decision is what the series needed, but would not have been easy, cheap, or fast to produce. The fact they took the easy road scares me about the quality of their future titles.

I respect the civility of the tone here. But unfortunately, for every fan like you and me, and others like us, who calmly and respectfully express our disappointments, there are far more vocal fans who call for boycotting everything to do with Bioware, trying to ruin their reputation along with EA (which is already shoddy at best) and then go out of their way to ruin the experience for those who haven't finished the game.

The people who go on and on how they'll never buy another game or DLC made by Bioware. Period, doesn't matter how good it may be, they just won't. And these people are very vocal, and some (not all) proceed to go out of their way to convince others they shouldn't be fans and to give up everything associated with Mass Effect or Bioware.

I think some of the more.... enthusiastic... backlash is to be expected however.  This being the internet and all.  I don't think it's right to just completely ignore them due to their tone, maybe on a one to one level yes, but on a macro level 10,000 ppl screaming for blood might have a point somewhere in there . 

Also, I think Bioware brought a lot of it on themselves.  They overpromised and REALLY underdelivered on the conclusion to the series.  Call it Peter Molyneux syndrome.  The biggest difference though is they got it right for the first 2 games and 99% of the 3rd, than screwed up at the most important time so expectations were high. Then they played the 'artist' card which, their intent or not, has undertones of 'You're just not smart enough to appreciate what we gave you'.  I know Bioware couldn't own up to their failings cause then they would REALLY have to change the ending, but insulting your customer's on the sly, not very smart at all.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Dylan Dogood wrote...

TheBlackPigeon wrote...

Dylan Dogood wrote...

Hello People

I feel this forum is not a place for fans but a place for people that hate.
You talk about the ending and how Bioware betrayed you. You talk about how the mother brain EA ruined Dragon age 2, and how it´s only natural that Mass effect 3 went the same route. You consider Mass Effect 2 to be only a shadow of the original Mass Effect, the only true Space Opera RPG.

Basically. I wonder how people with all the aforementioned views can still be considered fans. They haven´t liked a Bioware game for half a decade. What are you doing on these forums when the only thing you do is rant about how Bioware continuously makes worse games, with less of what you love for every game.

I understand that you have been on these forums a long time. And consider yourselves the elite. And gotten alot of friends. 

But some times a just want you to leave.

I think It´s fine to dislike an ending or a detail or two.
But apart from that shouldn´t this forum be a place for people who actually likes the games Bioware makes Today. A place for fans.

Hello, Dylan.

Fans come in all shapes and sizes. Some love to gush about how the games they love are so awesome. Some love to do nothing but complain. Some love to complain because they love games, and feel they know how to make them better. Some people enjoy placing their favorite characters into uncomfortable sexual situations. No matter the preference, nearly everyone who frequents an official forum for their favorite video game can be considered a fan. And an official forum should be a place where any type of fan can put their feet up and say what they feel, whether good or bad (but always within reason).

Right now, the Bioware ME forums are filled with folks who are visibly and emotionally distraught with how the Shepard story arc ended. Expect it to be this way for quite some time. If you feel that it's going to bother you, then I humbly suggest that you simply ignore the posts concerning this, and focus your energies on the things you want to talk about, with the people that share in your interests. Or, if you feel it's getting to be too much, consider holding a private chat session elsewhere with other like minded individuals, free from the topics and attitudes that you may find distracting.

If this comes off as condescending, then I apologize. Just trying to put things into a different perspective for you. Bottom line = A Retaker isn't any less of a fan then a Pro-Ender, and vice versa. We're all fans in our own way.

Thank you for post. I just personally feel that the amount of negative criticism on the forums does not match the quality of the actual game as a whole. That´s what makes me depressed. The ending controversy have overshadowed all of the good things. Kinda.

I think that is not odd. Because once you have seen the end, it makes any decisions you made in the previous games unimportant. Anything you have decided before in ME1 and ME2 and even in ME3 has no impact on the ending. It all boils down to the basic video colors: RGB. All of them end the same. The galactic civilizations die, because of the exploding mass relays. You can find the effects of an exploding mass relay in the codex. Genocide all of the place. The reapers won, no matter what you have decided and no matter what force you brought to the end game. Also, people like me are interested in what that means for Shepard's friends and LI and how the end has an impact on their lives. Because no stellar system with a mass relay can sustain life after the end, they are pretty screwed.

[Dylan Dogood]

aberdash wrote...

Your argument is based on it being required to like everything someone does to be fan. Your argument is clearly flawed.

That was not what I was trying to say. Stupid dyslexia!

I just kinda wondered if someone dislike most of the games bioware has made for half a decade, is that person still a fan? And what is he/she doing here.

[-Skorpious-]

If I am not a fan, then why the hell am I still here?!

[XMasterPrime]

I'm glad more of the ME3 fans who liked the game are speaking up on this forum. I feel that if we don't all Bioware fans will look as annoying as the louder vocal minority of complainers here.

[TheBlackPigeon]

Dylan Dogood wrote...

TheBlackPigeon wrote...

Dylan Dogood wrote...

Hello People

I feel this forum is not a place for fans but a place for people that hate.
You talk about the ending and how Bioware betrayed you. You talk about how the mother brain EA ruined Dragon age 2, and how it´s only natural that Mass effect 3 went the same route. You consider Mass Effect 2 to be only a shadow of the original Mass Effect, the only true Space Opera RPG.

Basically. I wonder how people with all the aforementioned views can still be considered fans. They haven´t liked a Bioware game for half a decade. What are you doing on these forums when the only thing you do is rant about how Bioware continuously makes worse games, with less of what you love for every game.

I understand that you have been on these forums a long time. And consider yourselves the elite. And gotten alot of friends. 

But some times a just want you to leave.

I think It´s fine to dislike an ending or a detail or two.
But apart from that shouldn´t this forum be a place for people who actually likes the games Bioware makes Today. A place for fans.

Hello, Dylan.

Fans come in all shapes and sizes. Some love to gush about how the games they love are so awesome. Some love to do nothing but complain. Some love to complain because they love games, and feel they know how to make them better. Some people enjoy placing their favorite characters into uncomfortable sexual situations. No matter the preference, nearly everyone who frequents an official forum for their favorite video game can be considered a fan. And an official forum should be a place where any type of fan can put their feet up and say what they feel, whether good or bad (but always within reason).

Right now, the Bioware ME forums are filled with folks who are visibly and emotionally distraught with how the Shepard story arc ended. Expect it to be this way for quite some time. If you feel that it's going to bother you, then I humbly suggest that you simply ignore the posts concerning this, and focus your energies on the things you want to talk about, with the people that share in your interests. Or, if you feel it's getting to be too much, consider holding a private chat session elsewhere with other like minded individuals, free from the topics and attitudes that you may find distracting.

If this comes off as condescending, then I apologize. Just trying to put things into a different perspective for you. Bottom line = A Retaker isn't any less of a fan then a Pro-Ender, and vice versa. We're all fans in our own way.

Thank you for post. I just personally feel that the amount of negative criticism on the forums does not match the quality of the actual game as a whole. That´s what makes me depressed. The ending controversy have overshadowed all of the good things. Kinda.

Ah, don't let it get you down. As long as you enjoyed the game, it really doesn't matter what other people think. You didn't buy it for them.

If they want to complain, let them. It's Bioware and EA's problem, not yours or mine.

[Dylan Dogood]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Dylan Dogood wrote...

TheBlackPigeon wrote...

Dylan Dogood wrote...

Hello People

I feel this forum is not a place for fans but a place for people that hate.
You talk about the ending and how Bioware betrayed you. You talk about how the mother brain EA ruined Dragon age 2, and how it´s only natural that Mass effect 3 went the same route. You consider Mass Effect 2 to be only a shadow of the original Mass Effect, the only true Space Opera RPG.

Basically. I wonder how people with all the aforementioned views can still be considered fans. They haven´t liked a Bioware game for half a decade. What are you doing on these forums when the only thing you do is rant about how Bioware continuously makes worse games, with less of what you love for every game.

I understand that you have been on these forums a long time. And consider yourselves the elite. And gotten alot of friends. 

But some times a just want you to leave.

I think It´s fine to dislike an ending or a detail or two.
But apart from that shouldn´t this forum be a place for people who actually likes the games Bioware makes Today. A place for fans.

Hello, Dylan.

Fans come in all shapes and sizes. Some love to gush about how the games they love are so awesome. Some love to do nothing but complain. Some love to complain because they love games, and feel they know how to make them better. Some people enjoy placing their favorite characters into uncomfortable sexual situations. No matter the preference, nearly everyone who frequents an official forum for their favorite video game can be considered a fan. And an official forum should be a place where any type of fan can put their feet up and say what they feel, whether good or bad (but always within reason).

Right now, the Bioware ME forums are filled with folks who are visibly and emotionally distraught with how the Shepard story arc ended. Expect it to be this way for quite some time. If you feel that it's going to bother you, then I humbly suggest that you simply ignore the posts concerning this, and focus your energies on the things you want to talk about, with the people that share in your interests. Or, if you feel it's getting to be too much, consider holding a private chat session elsewhere with other like minded individuals, free from the topics and attitudes that you may find distracting.

If this comes off as condescending, then I apologize. Just trying to put things into a different perspective for you. Bottom line = A Retaker isn't any less of a fan then a Pro-Ender, and vice versa. We're all fans in our own way.

Thank you for post. I just personally feel that the amount of negative criticism on the forums does not match the quality of the actual game as a whole. That´s what makes me depressed. The ending controversy have overshadowed all of the good things. Kinda.

I think that is not odd. Because once you have seen the end, it makes any decisions you made in the previous games unimportant. Anything you have decided before in ME1 and ME2 and even in ME3 has no impact on the ending. It all boils down to the basic video colors: RGB. All of them end the same. The galactic civilizations die, because of the exploding mass relays. You can find the effects of an exploding mass relay in the codex. Genocide all of the place. The reapers won, no matter what you have decided and no matter what force you brought to the end game. Also, people like me are interested in what that means for Shepard's friends and LI and how the end has an impact on their lives. Because no stellar system with a mass relay can sustain life after the end, they are pretty screwed.

So all the good things in the game gets overshadowed by the ending, And thats why people dont talk about the good things? I think I can understand that. Do you think after this ending controversy is over people will start discussing the good things?

[Han Shot First]

XMasterPrime wrote...

I'm glad more of the ME3 fans who liked the game are speaking up on this forum. I feel that if we don't all Bioware fans will look as annoying as the louder vocal minority of complainers here.

Those that hate the endings are a majority.

[Dylan Dogood]

XMasterPrime wrote...

I'm glad more of the ME3 fans who liked the game are speaking up on this forum. I feel that if we don't all Bioware fans will look as annoying as the louder vocal minority of complainers here.

I hope more people that likes the game as a whole would speak up too. Not a pro-enders movement but a pro-ME3 would be nice. Something like, "yeah no one likes the ending, but no one dislikes a Krogan air drop." Kinda

[aimlessgun]

Dylan Dogood wrote...

Hello People

I feel this forum is not a place for fans but a place for people that hate.
You talk about the ending and how Bioware betrayed you. You talk about how the mother brain EA ruined Dragon age 2, and how it´s only natural that Mass effect 3 went the same route. You consider Mass Effect 2 to be only a shadow of the original Mass Effect, the only true Space Opera RPG.

Basically. I wonder how people with all the aforementioned views can still be considered fans. They haven´t liked a Bioware game for half a decade. What are you doing on these forums when the only thing you do is rant about how Bioware continuously makes worse games, with less of what you love for every game.

I understand that you have been on these forums a long time. And consider yourselves the elite. And gotten alot of friends. 

But some times a just want you to leave.

I think It´s fine to dislike an ending or a detail or two.
But apart from that shouldn´t this forum be a place for people who actually likes the games Bioware makes Today. A place for fans.

Only fans could be this upset. We are upset because we love Mass Effect and can't stand to see it saddled with an ending that is far worse than it deserves. 

This idea that complaining is somehow inherently bad is ridiculous. 

Modifié par aimlessgun, 06 avril 2012 - 05:51 .

[BellatrixLugosi]

Dylan Dogood wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Dylan Dogood wrote...

TheBlackPigeon wrote...

Dylan Dogood wrote...

Hello People

I feel this forum is not a place for fans but a place for people that hate.
You talk about the ending and how Bioware betrayed you. You talk about how the mother brain EA ruined Dragon age 2, and how it´s only natural that Mass effect 3 went the same route. You consider Mass Effect 2 to be only a shadow of the original Mass Effect, the only true Space Opera RPG.

Basically. I wonder how people with all the aforementioned views can still be considered fans. They haven´t liked a Bioware game for half a decade. What are you doing on these forums when the only thing you do is rant about how Bioware continuously makes worse games, with less of what you love for every game.

I understand that you have been on these forums a long time. And consider yourselves the elite. And gotten alot of friends. 

But some times a just want you to leave.

I think It´s fine to dislike an ending or a detail or two.
But apart from that shouldn´t this forum be a place for people who actually likes the games Bioware makes Today. A place for fans.

Hello, Dylan.

Fans come in all shapes and sizes. Some love to gush about how the games they love are so awesome. Some love to do nothing but complain. Some love to complain because they love games, and feel they know how to make them better. Some people enjoy placing their favorite characters into uncomfortable sexual situations. No matter the preference, nearly everyone who frequents an official forum for their favorite video game can be considered a fan. And an official forum should be a place where any type of fan can put their feet up and say what they feel, whether good or bad (but always within reason).

Right now, the Bioware ME forums are filled with folks who are visibly and emotionally distraught with how the Shepard story arc ended. Expect it to be this way for quite some time. If you feel that it's going to bother you, then I humbly suggest that you simply ignore the posts concerning this, and focus your energies on the things you want to talk about, with the people that share in your interests. Or, if you feel it's getting to be too much, consider holding a private chat session elsewhere with other like minded individuals, free from the topics and attitudes that you may find distracting.

If this comes off as condescending, then I apologize. Just trying to put things into a different perspective for you. Bottom line = A Retaker isn't any less of a fan then a Pro-Ender, and vice versa. We're all fans in our own way.

Thank you for post. I just personally feel that the amount of negative criticism on the forums does not match the quality of the actual game as a whole. That´s what makes me depressed. The ending controversy have overshadowed all of the good things. Kinda.

I think that is not odd. Because once you have seen the end, it makes any decisions you made in the previous games unimportant. Anything you have decided before in ME1 and ME2 and even in ME3 has no impact on the ending. It all boils down to the basic video colors: RGB. All of them end the same. The galactic civilizations die, because of the exploding mass relays. You can find the effects of an exploding mass relay in the codex. Genocide all of the place. The reapers won, no matter what you have decided and no matter what force you brought to the end game. Also, people like me are interested in what that means for Shepard's friends and LI and how the end has an impact on their lives. Because no stellar system with a mass relay can sustain life after the end, they are pretty screwed.

So all the good things in the game gets overshadowed by the ending, And thats why people dont talk about the good things? I think I can understand that. Do you think after this ending controversy is over people will start discussing the good things?

I'd hope it will blow over but this community has shocked me because of its overeaction so far and I wouldn't be surprised if they will do anything to keep the negativity up.

[Spectre Impersonator]

Fan of everything except the part that no one likes. My guess is Bioware isn't really proud of it either, at least not unanimously.

[daecath]

Dylan Dogood wrote...

Hello People

I feel this forum is not a place for fans but a place for people that hate.
You talk about the ending and how Bioware betrayed you. You talk about how the mother brain EA ruined Dragon age 2, and how it´s only natural that Mass effect 3 went the same route. You consider Mass Effect 2 to be only a shadow of the original Mass Effect, the only true Space Opera RPG.

Basically. I wonder how people with all the aforementioned views can still be considered fans....

I think It´s fine to dislike an ending or a detail or two.
But apart from that shouldn´t this forum be a place for people who actually likes the games Bioware makes Today. A place for fans.

I love BioWare. I've been a fan since KOTOR. I've bought all their games since then. I preorder everything, I own:
KOTOR
Jade Empire
Mass Effect (360)
  BDTS DLC
  that other DLC that I can't remember the name of
Mass Effect (PC)
  BDTS DLC
(PreOrdered) Dragon Age: Origins CE(360)
  Warden's Keep
  Stone Prisoner
  Return to Ostagar
  Darkspawn Chronicles
  Leliana's Song
  Golems of Amgarrak
  Witch Hunt
  Blood Dragon Armor
  Collector's Edition
  & most of the Item DLC's
Dragon Age: Origins Deluxe Digital Download (PC)
  Warden's Keep
  Stone Prisoner
  Return to Ostagar
  Darkspawn Chronicles
  Leliana's Song
  Golems of Amgarrak
  Witch Hunt
  Blood Dragon Armor
  Collector's Edition
  & most of the Item DLC's
Dragon Age: Awakening (360)
Dragon Age II (360)
  Signature Edition Rewards
  Lion or Orlais
  Fadeshear
  Boots of the Frozen Wastes
  Dura's Blue Flame
  Lothering's Lament
  Blood Dragon Armor
  Far Cliffs of Kirkwall
  Of Things Not Lost
Mass Effect 2 CE(360)
  Arrival
  Firepower Pack
  Shadow Broker
  Aegis Pack
  Overlord Pack
  Equalizer Pack
  Kasumi - Stolen Memory
  Alternate Appearance Pack 1 (Garrus, Thane, Jack)
  Inferno Armor
  Collectors' Weapon and Armor
  Zaeed - The Price of Revenge (Cerberus Network)
  Cerberus Weapon and Armor (Cerberus Network)
  Normandy Crash Site (Cerberus Network)
  Cerberus Arc Projector
  Firewalker Pack
  Blood Dragon Armor
Mass Effect 2 Digital Deluxe Edition(PC)
  Arrival
  Firepower Pack
  Shadow Broker
  Aegis Pack
  Overlord Pack
  Equalizer Pack
  Kasumi - Stolen Memory
  Alternate Appearance Pack 1 (Garrus, Thane, Jack)
  Inferno Armor
  Collectors' Weapon and Armor
  Zaeed - The Price of Revenge (Cerberus Network)
  Cerberus Weapon and Armor (Cerberus Network)
  Normandy Crash Site (Cerberus Network)
  Cerberus Arc Projector
  Firewalker Pack
  Blood Dragon Armor
Mass Effect 3 CE (360)
  From Ashes
  Chakram Launcher
  Reckoner-Knight
Mass Effect 3 Digital Deluxe Edition (PC)
  From Ashes
  Chakram Launcher
  Reckoner-Knight
Star Wars: The Old Republic CE (And I don't even like MMO's)

I have a Normandy replica, a 6' FemShep poster, 3' FemShep poster, FemShep t-shirt, Tali action figure, 2 Normandy posters, Morrigan action figure, every comic published for Mass Effect, every novel for Mass Effect

In case it isn't clear, I LOVE BIOWARE! They are the ONLY game studio that I trust implicitly to provide a good game. Even at its worst, I've enjoyed their games. I've pre-ordered every game since ME1. I've never given any thought that I would get a good quality game. Even ME3, up until the end, is one of the best games I've played.

And that's why I will continue to argue for the improvement of the endings. I'm tired of typing it though, so if you want to know what's wrong with the ending, just click my links in my signature.

Modifié par daecath, 06 avril 2012 - 06:05 .

[Dylan Dogood]

aimlessgun wrote...

Only fans could be this upset. We are upset because we love Mass Effect and can't stand to see it saddled with an ending that is far worse than it deserves. 

This idea that complaining is somehow inherently bad is ridiculous. 

I dont think criticism is bad. I really dont.

[The Elite Elite]

Why is it seen as a bad thing to complain about a product in the video game community? So often in the gaming community when someone complains about a product they believe to be of poor quality, they get called whiners and entitled brats, and you are seen as a real fan for just blindly accepting whatever the game company puts in front of you.

I don't really see that happen for other products and services. When the latest IPhone, IPad, IPod, etc comes out, people find things they believe to be wrong with the product and complain about them, and the company either releases an update to download, fixes the problem in the next generation of the product, or recalls the product to fix the problem. They don't tell the customer that they just don't appreciate the artistic vision that went into creating the latest IPhone, so they'll just clarify why what you think is a problem really isn't. (Or if the company does do that, they run a decent chance of losing customers and going out of business) So why are so many gamers afraid of having game companies held to these same standards?

[starscreamerx31]

Im still a fan but im quickly falling from grace fast with the lame ending, credit losing bugs.

[Mr. Gogeta34]

"Being a fan" and "calling things out when you see it" are two separate things.

[XMasterPrime]

Han Shot First wrote...

XMasterPrime wrote...

I'm glad more of the ME3 fans who liked the game are speaking up on this forum. I feel that if we don't all Bioware fans will look as annoying as the louder vocal minority of complainers here.

Those that hate the endings are a majority.

Yes because you can prove this with polls on this forum that are already full of haters.

[daecath]

XMasterPrime wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

XMasterPrime wrote...

I'm glad more of the ME3 fans who liked the game are speaking up on this forum. I feel that if we don't all Bioware fans will look as annoying as the louder vocal minority of complainers here.

Those that hate the endings are a majority.

Yes because you can prove this with polls on this forum that are already full of haters.

Then where are the "real" fans who love the endings and want to support their favorite company against this "vocal minority"?