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[EnvyXx]

I wish people would stop complaining

[agentofatlas7]

Dylan Dogood wrote...

praliban wrote...

I think most gamers should stop being "company fans" and just judge the product itself. For example, Mass Effect 3 is a good game, but it had a lot of faults. First the journal was clunky and the side quest were equal parts boring and mediocre.

I notice there have been a lot of people trying to put down the supposed "whiners" or "complainers". Well in my field, these are probably the best customers I could ask for. I hate the ones who just nods and accepts everything. It just does not stimulate growth. Even worse are the ones who want to shut people up for complaining. Why even do that?

I frankly think you need a balance of both. The criticism needs to reflect the products value as a whole after all. And as of now, it has been a little one-sided. 

Balance? You mean for every negative game topic there should be another one praising the game? I don't really believe that you need balance at all. Most of the level headed people here liked the game, they just really hate a certain aspect of it. Besides if you want to talk about the positives about the game then create a topic about it.

[hangmans tree]

.... I had a lenghty post, well versed too in my opinion. But(t) a friday internet gremlin ate it.

I just wish for good games with excellent narrative. I wish profit and aqueezing every potential penny in this business wouldnt affect quality of the product, or so called artistic integrity. I wish for no compromises when it comes to creators vision, no marketing propaganda and the outcome where we must call 'em liars.

Too much, eh? Nevermind, I'll still be here, hoping.

[Dylan Dogood]

praliban wrote...

Dylan Dogood wrote...

praliban wrote...

I think most gamers should stop being "company fans" and just judge the product itself. For example, Mass Effect 3 is a good game, but it had a lot of faults. First the journal was clunky and the side quest were equal parts boring and mediocre.

I notice there have been a lot of people trying to put down the supposed "whiners" or "complainers". Well in my field, these are probably the best customers I could ask for. I hate the ones who just nods and accepts everything. It just does not stimulate growth. Even worse are the ones who want to shut people up for complaining. Why even do that?

I frankly think you need a balance of both. The criticism needs to reflect the products value as a whole after all. And as of now, it has been a little one-sided. 

Balance? You mean for every negative game topic there should be another one praising the game? I don't really believe that you need balance at all. Most of the level headed people here liked the game, they just really hate a certain aspect of it. Besides if you want to talk about the positives about the game then create a topic about it.

I´m not talking about some invisible hand that should adjust the positive to negative ratio. I just hope that some of the level headed people you mentioned posts some topics about what they liked about the game. If this thread makes them do that, great that´s all I´m wishing for.
I think the game as a whole is good, and I personally think the discussion should reflect that.
It might be stupid, I don´t care.

Modifié par Dylan Dogood, 06 avril 2012 - 01:05 .

[Hyrist]

You know, I could stomach the extended cut.

But in no manner could I excuse how they manage to hold onto pride in the face of such unified and powerful protest. They're not compromising anything, they're exploiting a bad ending to try to sell more DLC, and offering a paltry 'extended cut' as a gimmie to try to say they listened to the base while simultaneously ignoring their pleas.

That I can't tolerate.

So no, I can't call myself a fan anymore. I was one. But loyalty can be broken if the damage to trust is substantial enough.

It's substantial enough.

[Rudy Lis]

Drudgie wrote...

Controlled or not anytime i see any of the devs or god forbid casey hudson promoting a new product I'll know at least it will be an advert for do not buy this product.

Like I said, they are not sappers.


And responding on OP's question - I'm not fan. Just propeller.

[BurnOutBrighter]

Mass Effect used to be something special to me. Now it's "just a game". And BioWare is "just a developer".

Modifié par BurnOutBrighter, 06 avril 2012 - 01:20 .

[Loup Blanc]

Considering the fact thay the company's behavior wants to make me throw up and represents everything that is wrong about capitalism, no, I am no longer a fan. As a matter of fact, since I would enjoy seeing them crash and burn (and mark my words, they will), I don't mind being called a hater.

[LordDeimos4]

I used to be fan, even after the abomination that was DA2 i still held some hope that ME3 would deliver. Boy was i wrong. Buying BW games was a no brainer, didn't even bother reading reviews, i knew i would like the game anyway. Unfortunately BW has violated that trust and loyalty and i won't be jumping back on the train anytime soon.

[sandhawk]

its not rilly bioware but i do see the point here the customer is allways right its how i was raised to bad that is going away,.

[Br0th3rGr1mm]

Dylan Dogood wrote...

That is bleak, I think there are many fans that dislike the ending but still generally like what bioware makes. They just disapear in all the hate of a few. 

This.

Also, I am simply unable to express how I feel about the "fans" obsurd demands and baffling entitlement beliefs  without violating general "name calling" ethics of the forum.   Expressing your displeasure or pointing out flaws is expected, but some of the obsessive, demanding and self-entitled (not to mention self-centered) views expressed in many of these threads is just disturbing on quite a few levels.

[macrocarl]

I am a huge BW fan and can't wait to see what they come up with next.

[AlexFili]

I think if someone loves the franchise, they will ignore petty things and concentrate on the things they love. For me it's the genophage missions, the dialogue and multiplayer.

[Getorex]

Yes I can call myself a fan. Of ME1, ME2, and 95% of ME3. I am so much a fan that I demand they give the game series and ending that it actually deserves. The time and imagination and emotion that people have put into this series deserves to be respected by giving the series a REAL ending that isn't a slap in the face. A slap in the face of credulity, logic, rationality, and basic level storytelling rules. There ARE storytelling rules and Bioware broke them.

[Getorex]

Br0th3rGr1mm wrote...

Dylan Dogood wrote...

That is bleak, I think there are many fans that dislike the ending but still generally like what bioware makes. They just disapear in all the hate of a few. 

This.

Also, I am simply unable to express how I feel about the "fans" obsurd demands and baffling entitlement beliefs  without violating general "name calling" ethics of the forum.   Expressing your displeasure or pointing out flaws is expected, but some of the obsessive, demanding and self-entitled (not to mention self-centered) views expressed in many of these threads is just disturbing on quite a few levels.

No.  Wrong.  Most people hated DA2.  DA3 is iffy.  There are other problems.  Me3 is the icing on the crap cake. 

[KyuzoS7]

i'm a fan of mass effect series but am i a fan of bioware? no

mass effect 3 didn't choose to ruin itself.

bioware chose to ruin it.

Modifié par KyuzoS7, 06 avril 2012 - 02:27 .

[Goat_Shepard]

This tactic where both sides of a debate try to generalize the motives of the other side to validate their position is pretty nauseating, and isn't helping anyone. You'll argue in circles over what a "real fan" is, too, so my suggestion is to avoid the subject. There is no single reason to like or dislike the ending or the series or whatever, that's up to the customer.  A group with similar goals won't automatically have the same ideals (ex. Shepard and Cerberus, that's topical!).

Also, I'm sure nobody has the numbers, and I don't wish to condescendingly state that I know which side of these arguments are in the minority, but the fact that Bioware is ( I guess) re-prioritizing their ME3 post release content schedule to give you free content should tell you something about the impact the retake movement has had, regardless of it's head count or stated/unstated goals.

Peace Keeper out.

Modifié par Goat_Shepard, 06 avril 2012 - 02:39 .

[TGSP]

I count myself as a fan of the Mass Effect series. I managed to stay away from all of the discussions about the ME3 ending because I hadn't finished the game and didn't want any spoilers. So while the delivery of the last few choices was absolutely shocking in my humble opinion, the actual ending does wrap up a lot of the storylines in itself. Having read through some articles and discussions about the problems with the ending I think either a lot of people have gotten the wrong end of the stick, or I have, although I quite like my end of the stick.

Having said that I look forward to the extended edition because I can't wait to see if a reason for ignoring a glaring inconsistancy is given

Modifié par TGSP, 06 avril 2012 - 03:05 .

[PiEman]

EnvyXx wrote...

I wish people would stop complaining

Well, I wish Bioware would go back in time and not lie about the Goddamn endings...

[Wise Men]

I am a fan.  Not all of us have this negative attitude as a default.  Some of us are willing to enjoy the games we buy as the developer envisioned them.  If we don't enjoy the experience, we simply move on.

[Yellowwizard]

Wow, this is a very active thread! Between the time I went to work and came back, +6 pages!

I've been talking with a few other fans of the franchise, and we'd all be satisfied with an epilogue akin to Dragon Age's, where it goes into detail about what happens to the 'verse after the bomb.
So long as the choices we made in the game are recognised in that ending like they were in DA, we'd be happy. The end-of-game choice is just another choice, really, and shouldn't determine the fate of the universe on it's own.

[Heather Cline]

Elite Midget wrote...

Fans are the most passionate of all consumers, they will pour their money and soul to you and will spew venom when they catch you in bed with another lover. Bioware wanted the CoD fanbase at the cost of their current one, it shows in the end product.

What he said. Frankly the endings, the overall game execution with auto-dialogue present in two of the modes that it wasn't supposed to be in. The fact is BioWare has been following the EA model for some time now. We've tried to forgive them for that. But ME2, DA2 and now ME3. All 3 games were geared more towards the CoD crowd and BF3 crowd and other shooter game crowds. Why do you think DA2 had a wave mode for enemies instead of tactical spawning of enemies in DA:O? Why do you think they stripped down the RPG mechanics for ME2 or had such a horrible story in that game? In fact ME2 had no real story at all it was a mishmash of short stories with nothing really connecting them and the rpg elements were almost non-existent. Then ME3 they added back in some rpg elements but then sacrificed the dialogue control from ME1 and ME2 for the two modes that they said WOULD NOT have auto-dialogue in them but did anyways.

Seriously they have been going down hill since ME2 and we've tried to get them to change course but they refuse. Now it's come to a head with ME3 and it's endings and the horrible execution of the game.

If I wanted auto-dialogue I'd go play a JRPG or some shooter game with no choices. If I wanted no rpg mechanics I'd go and play a shooter game or a game like Venetica or Star Wars Kinect or something similar.

So yeah I still call myself a fan, a fan whose very disappointed and disillusioned and disenfranchised by this company who has so drastically changed their business model. They said when EA bought them out they would not change and yet change they did and not for the better. They changed for the worst.

This is how I view Bioware, they have grown fat and over confident and need to be shown that we aren't mindless drones that will accept everything they give us no matter what and not question it. Questioning things is how we learn, grow and evolve. By letting Bioware and subsequently EA get away with this they don't learn, they don't grow and they don't evolve. They just keep on doing crap and think they can get away with it.

So if you are happy being spoon fed crap then keep on eating. I for one won't keep on eating their excuses, lies and out right dismissal of our complaints.

[Justin2k]

The people who didn't enjoy the ending and voiced a little discontent are certainly fans.  The people that gave to charity and sent cupcakes and held the line cannot call themselves Bioware or Mass Effect fans no. They've deliberately set out to sabotage it. #Notrealfans.

Modifié par Justin2k, 06 avril 2012 - 03:55 .