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[Han Shot First]

One thing that strikes me as bizarre is how the Green Ending is supposed to be the best possible ending. This option only opens up when you have a high EMS score, which suggests that Bioware intended it to be the ending with the best outcome.

Shepard's mission through three games and five years has been to destroy the Reapers, so why does that change in the last five minutes? Why does the best possible ending (from the writer's point of view) involve the Reapers surviving? And why is the merging of all organic life with synthetics considered the best outcome? In a single stroke of green space magic it annihilates anything that made us human and completely destroys galactic diversity. Were the Asari, Turians, or Krogan your favorite species? All gone now --- everyone is a cyborg.

[KevShep]

Speculations

[aberdash]

Because diversity was the true enemy in ME3.

[Han Shot First]

KevShep wrote...

Speculations

That isn't speculation at all. The Green ending only opens up if you a high EMS score. Otherwise the only options are Red & Blue. Since Green requires the highest EMS score, it is obviously supposed to be the best ending.

[staindgrey]

No ****ing clue.

If I play the game again, I'll always pick "destroy". It's the only one that makes sense for Shepard.

[Suikoden]

Han Shot First wrote...

One thing that strikes me as bizarre is how the Green Ending is supposed to be the best possible ending. This option only opens up when you have a high EMS score, which suggests that Bioware intended it to be the ending with the best outcome.

Shepard's mission through three games and five years has been to destroy the Reapers, so why does that change in the last five minutes? Why does the best possible ending (from the writer's point of view) involve the Reapers surviving? And why is the merging of all organic life with synthetics considered the best outcome? In a single stroke of green space magic it annihilates anything that made us human and completely destroys galactic diversity. Were the Asari, Turians, or Krogan your favorite species? All gone now --- everyone is a cyborg.

If you subscribe to the Indoctrination Theory, I see the green ending as a desperation attempt/safeguard by the reapers, as they realize that Shepard (aka YOU) is/are strong enough to most likely overcome the "control" option due to the amount of dedication Shepard/YOU showed in getting your EMS score up that high.

[lazuli]

Maybe I'm a moron, but I didn't even realize there was a choice at first. I just walked straight ahead and got that ending. DERP.

[streetmark]

ARTISTIC AND EDGY!

[FlyingWalrus]

A) Everyone lives. No sacrificing all synthetics to save organics, etc.
Synthetics and Organics are merged into a new class of hybrid lifeforms, thereby removing the rift between the two. Major theme of transhumanism.
C) Technically, destroying the Reapers is a form of omnicide, where all the species that had ever been up to that point harvested and distilled into a Reaper-form, are obliterated.

[Squallypo]

lazuli wrote...

Maybe I'm a moron, but I didn't even realize there was a choice at first. I just walked straight ahead and got that ending. DERP.

HAHAH you actually made me laugh dude  nice done ! but yes your correct 

[Anaki86]

Well for one we did not lose our humanity. We still have it. The turians still have their turianity, the Krogans still have their Kroganity so on and so forth. It's simply that each race now has a synthetic aspect to their being, but they are still uniquely them.

And what's the problem with the Reapers living in the "good" end? A compassionate paragon Shepard may realize that they were simply the pawns of a higher being and decided that they, as sentient beings, had a right to their freedom as anyone else.

Modifié par Anaki86, 06 avril 2012 - 05:28 .

[Han Shot First]

lazuli wrote...

Maybe I'm a moron, but I didn't even realize there was a choice at first. I just walked straight ahead and got that ending. DERP.

Hah!

I sort of did the same thing. By the time I got to the ending it was really late at night and I was exhausted from a long day at work. That combined with the shock of the god child reveal had me stumbling right up the gut like man in a drunken stupor. Because I wasn't paying attention as well as I should have been I thought I'd get the A, B, C choice before going to the beam.

"Wait...what the hell just happened?"

"Oh no, the Mass relays?! What have I done?!"

"Run Joker Run. SAVE YOURSELF!"

"Ok, what is this world they've crashed on. Wait...why does he look like a robot?

"F-k. I'm going to have reload and try that one again after getting some sleep and getting over this soul-crushing disappointment."

[DJBare]

Because somebody at Bioware is trying to push the singularity theory?

[DJBare]

Anaki86 wrote...

Well for one we did not lose our humanity. We still have it. The turians still have their turianity, the Krogans still have their Kroganity so on and so forth. It's simply that each race now has a synthetic aspect to their being, but they are still uniquely them.

Nah, just prettier looking reaper, at no point were the rest of the galaxy consulted on whether they wanted to become cyborgs.

[Random Geth]

FlyingWalrus wrote...

A) Everyone lives. No sacrificing all synthetics to save organics, etc.
Synthetics and Organics are merged into a new class of hybrid lifeforms, thereby removing the rift between the two. Major theme of transhumanism.
C) Technically, destroying the Reapers is a form of omnicide, where all the species that had ever been up to that point harvested and distilled into a Reaper-form, are obliterated.

A) We honestly don't know if Starbrat was even telling the truth.  EDI can come out of the Normandy on the cherry-flavored ending just like the blueberry and mint ones, and Shep can survive as well.

 Except this "rift between organics and synthetics" is not a main plot point outside of the Quarians and Geth and never has been. And you can, in fact, remove the "rift" between them in this game.  It doesn't involve space magic.

C) And?  We were already killing Reapers (albeit in fewer numbers) before the Crucible fired, so a Reaper war with any significant defensive capability has some degree of this effect anyway.

[JBONE27]

staindgrey wrote...

No ****ing clue.

If I play the game again, I'll always pick "destroy". It's the only one that makes sense for Shepard.

For your Shepard, and for my main (for reasons I'll be glad to share with you at your request), but for my off Shepard control is the only answer (again, I'll share my reasons upon request).

[Mettyx]

Frankly, the green ending makes more sense. It is after all the direction of our own reality and the only way to longevity or even immortality.

And there is no such thing as evil, Reapers are just the victims of reality like everything else.

[KevShep]

Han Shot First wrote...

KevShep wrote...

Speculations

That isn't speculation at all. The Green ending only opens up if you a high EMS score. Otherwise the only options are Red & Blue. Since Green requires the highest EMS score, it is obviously supposed to be the best ending.

I dont think that FORCED synthesis is the right way to go...Everyone must achive that tech on there own or nothing is gained.

Speculations

[DJBare]

Mettyx wrote...

Frankly, the green ending makes more sense. It is after all the direction of our own reality and the only way to longevity or even immortality.

But don't we get a choice?, has that not been what the series been about, self determination?

[FlyingWalrus]

Random Geth wrote...

FlyingWalrus wrote...

A) Everyone lives. No sacrificing all synthetics to save organics, etc.
Synthetics and Organics are merged into a new class of hybrid lifeforms, thereby removing the rift between the two. Major theme of transhumanism.
C) Technically, destroying the Reapers is a form of omnicide, where all the species that had ever been up to that point harvested and distilled into a Reaper-form, are obliterated.

A) We honestly don't know if Starbrat was even telling the truth.  EDI can come out of the Normandy on the cherry-flavored ending just like the blueberry and mint ones, and Shep can survive as well.

 Except this "rift between organics and synthetics" is not a main plot point outside of the Quarians and Geth and never has been. And you can, in fact, remove the "rift" between them in this game.  It doesn't involve space magic.

C) And?  We were already killing Reapers (albeit in fewer numbers) before the Crucible fired, so a Reaper war with any significant defensive capability has some degree of this effect anyway.

Hey, I just stated reasons Bioware might have pushed it. That's what the topic asks, that's what I surmise.

A) This could also be explained by poor planning/writing/programming.

Healing a rift in the short term doesn't guarantee another rift in the long term, one of Casper's points. And since when has a rift between organics and synthetics never been a theme of Mass Effect? As far back as ME1's Luna Base side-mission was there an indication that AIs are emergent lifeforms, and where Shepard can wonder what's so bad about an AI pondering its existence, and that the Council represses AIs wholesale because of what happened on Rannoch whether or not they tend towards destructiveness or productiveness. If it "thinks," it must be corralled.

C) That was mainly because the Reapers were the aggressors. Would you not attempt to kill someone that was bent on killing you? Synthesis gives the option of merging and thus ending the conflict, thus rendering the Reapers' solution of preserving lifeforms as "ONE OF US" into obsolescence. It doesn't necessarily mean becoming the Reapers.

I'm just playing advoacati diaboli really.

Modifié par FlyingWalrus, 06 avril 2012 - 05:53 .

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

But I thought they push Blue Ending ... "So the illusive man was right"

[MrNose]

Random Geth wrote...


A) We honestly don't know if Starbrat was even telling the truth.  EDI can come out of the Normandy on the cherry-flavored ending just like the blueberry and mint ones, and Shep can survive as well.

This is a bug.  EDI's presence functions independantly of the primary mechanics for people to leave the ship, and is thus part of the same problem that can cause Tali to walk out of the ship after killing herself.  

[Spectre Impersonator]

This is the worst ending, IMO. Forcing a change of life on everything in the galaxy with the most absurd use of space magic out of all three.

[Anaki86]

DJBare wrote...

Anaki86 wrote...

Well for one we did not lose our humanity. We still have it. The turians still have their turianity, the Krogans still have their Kroganity so on and so forth. It's simply that each race now has a synthetic aspect to their being, but they are still uniquely them.

Nah, just prettier looking reaper, at no point were the rest of the galaxy consulted on whether they wanted to become cyborgs.

No they weren't, but that doesn't mean that they suddenly lose all free will.


And they are nothing like Reapers. To even make that comparison is ignorant.

[FlyingWalrus]

Jedi Sentinel Arian wrote...

But I thought they push Blue Ending ... "So the illusive man was right"

This line made me the most angry out of th entire game.

My Shep hated the Illusive Man with a blind fury. Even if he was right, she'd never admit it. Perhaps Bioware's worst design choice in ME3 (besides the journal) was not allowing you to participate in the final "debate" with the Power That Be, real or imagined.