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[The Milky Waver]

 Research the Indoctrination Theory. That will probably give you your answer.

[EHondaMashButton]

Escocido wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

Trikun wrote...
I'll just point out that Saren in ME1 wanted synthesis, and make you all realise how wrong the green ending is by yourselves.

Non sequitur. The merit of an idea is independent from the morality of those who support it. You are invoking evil by association. It's a common methodical flaw, and stories tend to use it profusely to enforce a certain conventional non-rational morality by circumventing reason. It's an effective manipulation method, but don't be deceived by it.

Here's an example that illustrates the fallacy: if it was said of a villain that, while he commits genocide with no second thought (which makes him a villain), he nonetheless treats his family with love and respect, would that make treating your family with love and respect evil?

Yep, morally is not necessarily wrong, but narratively is a complete disaster, effectively turning the three games in the epic history of Shepard: The Man Who Was Wrong All Along. You essentially killed the hero in the first Mass Effect and spent two more games achieving the same with more pain and suffering. And then got all the credit for it. 

Lawl 

[Trikun]

Ieldra2 wrote...

Trikun wrote...
I'll just point out that Saren in ME1 wanted synthesis, and make you all realise how wrong the green ending is by yourselves.

Non sequitur. The merit of an idea is independent from the morality of those who support it. You are invoking evil by association. It's a common methodical flaw, and stories tend to use it profusely to enforce a certain conventional non-rational morality by circumventing reason. It's an effective manipulation method, but don't be deceived by it.

Here's an example that illustrates the fallacy: if it was said of a villain that, while he commits genocide with no second thought (which makes him a villain), he nonetheless treats his family with love and respect, would that make treating your family with love and respect evil?

Oh yes, the 'idea' of synthesising organics with syntetics makes so much sense... Saren, indoctrinated and all, must have had it right the entire time. It was everything else that made him evil. The indoctrination, the ruthless methods to do the reapers bidding. Using the rogue geth, etc.

It must be correct. Green and all. Oh wait.. What were the reapers again? (The Reapers, known by the geth as the Old Machines, are a highly advanced machine race of synthetic/organic starships... )

No thanks.. I'll stick to the destroy ending myself, which was what we set out to accomplish. Thank you for the valuable input though

[Yttrian]

Because it's their ending.

Forgetting, of course, this is Mass Effect where we make our own...

[Jayleia]

Trikun wrote...

Oh yes, the 'idea' of synthesising organics with syntetics makes so much sense... Saren, indoctrinated and all, must have had it right the entire time. It was everything else that made him evil. The indoctrination, the ruthless methods to do the reapers bidding. Using the rogue geth, etc.

It must be correct. Green and all. Oh wait.. What were the reapers again? (The Reapers, known by the geth as the Old Machines, are a highly advanced machine race of synthetic/organic starships... )

No thanks.. I'll stick to the destroy ending myself, which was what we set out to accomplish. Thank you for the valuable input though

The problem wasn't the ends, it was the means.  There's nothing inherently bad, apparently by combining organic and synthetic, there's also nothing inherently good about it either, apparently.

It is the fact that this was forced upon people without their consent that makes it bad, and sometimes, even more frigheningly inflicting it upon them as a method of controlling their minds.

EDIT: I chose the destroy though...but I assume that nothing after I landed on Earth happened at all.

Modifié par Jayleia, 09 avril 2012 - 09:10 .