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[pixelface]

Jedi Sentinel Arian wrote...

But I thought they push Blue Ending ... "So the illusive man was right"

no, they pushed the red ending, shepard survives

[floppypig]

The red ending ended with all synthetics being killed and, according to star-child, the re-creation of the cycle when organics create synthetic again.

Now, you could point to the peace that was formed between the Quarians and Geth as evidence that the cycle won't begin again and that peace is possible. But there's a few issues here:

1.) Yes, you created peace - but you can't possibly know that the peace will last forever.
2.) Even if it did, let's look at everything you had to do. Securing peace as a difficult task - one that required certain decisions to be made in ME2 and a lot of work on Shepard's and Tali's part. A lot of convincing. Getting the Quarian/Geth peace is one of the hardest tasks in the game.
3.) This ending kills all synthetics. It destroys the geth. the evidence we had that a peace was possible was just completely wiped. Eventually it will be forgotten - a short phase in the galaxy where peace between synthetic and organic lasted for what, a mere few hours?

Yes, the game shows us peace is possible, and so we think by choosing the red ending we're not really dooming the galaxy in the future. Really, that's exactly what you're doing because you end up destroying all synthetics in the process. You think no-one will come to the conclusion that the Quarians killed the geth and that peace clearly isn't possible.

The blue ending has you controlling the Reapers. Right off the bat, that sounds like a terrible idea. And, as the star-child iterates, you would most likely come to the same conclusion as the star-child did, in that the cycle must being again, at a later date - that it the only way to preserve the galaxy. To be honest, this ending was poorly explained and it's very unclear as to what really happens, how much of Shepard's mind really becomes a Reaper and how much he gets to keep - but I would still choose it over the red ending (which I deem to be the worst of the 3).

The green ending is, in my opinion, the best one. And is also the hardest one to unlock. You essentially merge synthetic and organic. As one poster above said, the organics don't suddenly lose their diversity, they are still their own people. This is what I think ME3 was really pointing at.

Look the the evidence:
1.) EDI and Joker. Although he's organic and she's synthetic, you can definitely see a romance brewing - showing that we are not seperated from each other by the fact that one is synthetic and one is organic.
2.) Look at Legion, who is finally at peace when Tali tells him he has a soul.

It's all there if you look for it. Through-out the entire game the lines betwene organic and synthetic are blurred - conveying that it is this rift between the two that causes problems - it is this rift that gave rise to the Reapers. The green ending repairs this rift, by making us all one. Shepard is a clearl example of this. He dies at the beginning of ME2. When he is re-born, he is no longer just organic - he is partially synthetic. And look at everything he accomplishes.

The answer is front of you the entire game. Shepard. Your character physically represents the green ending - the ending I think is easily the best one to take - and the ending that I think they'll make canon if they continue with the universe (I can't see how they could possibly make one game that encompasses all three endings).

[VolusvsReaper]

staindgrey wrote...

No ****ing clue.

If I play the game again, I'll always pick "destroy". It's the only one that makes sense for Shepard.

Not entirely true, maybe your shepard it does.

Shepard is trying to save civilization so destroying a new civilization (Geth) by choosing to destroy all synthetics is kind of....well....non sensical.

[JBONE27]

Jedi Sentinel Arian wrote...

But I thought they push Blue Ending ... "So the illusive man was right"

And I thought they pushed the red one because, you know, Anderson.

[Koshiir]

The green ending also conveniently solves the problem of dextroaminoacid life forms (turians, quarians...) stranded on levoaminoacid planets. Their new synthetic component might help them to adapt.

But I don't think Bioware intended this since I'm pretty sure they never even thought of the whole dextroamino problem.

Modifié par Koshiir, 06 avril 2012 - 10:56 .

[Silasqtx]

Because they basically think that Saren was right all along.

[FlyingWalrus]

Koshiir wrote...

The green ending also conveniently solves the problem of dextroaminoacid life forms (turians, quarians...) stranded on levoaminoacid planets. Their new synthetic component might help them to adapt.

But I don't think Bioware intended this since I'm pretty sure they never even thought of the whole dextroamino problem.

This isn't even a problem. I don't see why people keep pretending it is. The Quarian liveships are more than capable of producing enough foodstuffs to support an entire nation of dextroamino acid based beings, with some rationing and by adapting the technology I'm sure they are more than able to find a way to survive after the end.

[AlanC9]

Silasqtx wrote...

Because they basically think that Saren was right all along.

I would love it if they really intended this level of irony.

[AlanC9]

FlyingWalrus wrote...

Koshiir wrote...

The green ending also conveniently solves the problem of dextroaminoacid life forms (turians, quarians...) stranded on levoaminoacid planets. Their new synthetic component might help them to adapt.

But I don't think Bioware intended this since I'm pretty sure they never even thought of the whole dextroamino problem.

This isn't even a problem. I don't see why people keep pretending it is. The Quarian liveships are more than capable of producing enough foodstuffs to support an entire nation of dextroamino acid based beings, with some rationing and by adapting the technology I'm sure they are more than able to find a way to survive after the end.

Maybe talking about Tali? And the turians at Sol in games where the quarians were exterminated.

[FlyingWalrus]

AlanC9 wrote...

FlyingWalrus wrote...

Koshiir wrote...

The green ending also conveniently solves the problem of dextroaminoacid life forms (turians, quarians...) stranded on levoaminoacid planets. Their new synthetic component might help them to adapt.

But I don't think Bioware intended this since I'm pretty sure they never even thought of the whole dextroamino problem.

This isn't even a problem. I don't see why people keep pretending it is. The Quarian liveships are more than capable of producing enough foodstuffs to support an entire nation of dextroamino acid based beings, with some rationing and by adapting the technology I'm sure they are more than able to find a way to survive after the end.

Maybe talking about Tali? And the turians at Sol in games where the quarians were exterminated.

... Okay, THEN it's a problem.

[Katamariguy]

The only strikes against green I can think of are the forced merging and the survival of the reapers. Considering the Shepard is already the most advanced cyborg in the galaxy, that first strike seems a little awkward.

[killnoob]

Catalyst looks like a 10 years old, with 10 years old naivety

"if sythetic sand organics are made into  one  species, they will stop killing each other!!"

ever wonder how he came up with the Reaper Solution in the first place?

Modifié par killnoob, 07 avril 2012 - 07:19 .

[FERMi27]

You all guys need to make a leap of faith. The game is set in the future, so everything can be justified from a scientific point of view. Walters said so.

Thus, this isn't space magic. This is... God simulation. And, obviously, Walters has a HUGE faith in the future. Bigger than any of you ever had.

[FERMi27]

killnoob wrote...

Catalyst looks like a 10 years old, with 10 years old naivety

"if sythetic sand organics are made into  one  species, they will stop killing each other!!"

ever wonder how he came up with the Reaper Solution in the first place?

It wasn't him. Somebody created him. We don't know who, the writers decided to ignore this part(basically what many fans have always hoped to be revealed at the end).

[Tirigon]

Synthesis means ever-lasting peace and unity among all people. That is a worthy, but hard-to-achieve, goal and thus well deserving of being the hardest to get.

The problem however is that the "green light makes it happen" approach is ridiculous and stupid even compared to the rest of the ending, which kind of ruins the good idea they had with it, and also that the Mass Relays are still destroyed in Synthesis, and well... that the ending is generally a turd.
And also that the Crucible's effect is not dependant on your Fleet strength, so the requirements should come from choices, not EMS.

But the basic idea of Synthesis was beautiful, you have to give BioWare that.

Modifié par Tirigon, 07 avril 2012 - 09:15 .

[Tirigon]

Silasqtx wrote...

Because they basically think that Saren was right all along.

Saren was right in his goal, that is undeniable.

His methods - allowing Reaper dominance and wiping out every opposition - were the problem, and in fact would have made his goals impossible, since the Reaper do not want Synthesis. Not his idea.

[The Vanquished1]

I chose red.

[Eudaemonium]

My biggest problem with Synthesis, other than the ludicrous way in which it happens, is the way Shepard basically decides to just impose it upon all life in the galaxy. Transhumanism is a noble goal, but I don't really think it should just be imposed. I admit that, taking the endings at face value, it is the best ending.

[Rickin10]

Leaks have confirmed green is Casey Hudson's favourite colour. That, my friends, is artistic integrity.

[Chapity]

Gotta go with green. It allows for the best outcome and a chance to move forward. Red represents fear of synthetics and a win at all cost outcome. You can even survive, but how long until the affir mentioned chaos returns. No very long. Blue represents niavite and a willingness to believe that you won't come to an entropy conclusion. When the synthetics are effectively wiping out all life, you will see there point. Green represents balance and a future faced together. Besides, having 37 million year old spacelords to help rebuild what they destroyed might come in handy. Who else would know how to build a moon sized relay but the ones who built them in the first place?

[DamonD7]

Healing the rift between synthesis and organic is portrayed as ending the chaos and bloodshed in the galaxy.

Anyone seriously thinking the Synthesis 'evolution' of everyone will lead to no more wars?

Seriously? Show of hands here? It's going to be walks in the park and daisy chains all the way?

It is a bit odd. Synthesis is the ending I choice, yet the one on reflection now that I'm the least satisfied with.

[Amioran]

Han Shot First wrote...
Shepard's mission through three games and five years has been to destroy the Reapers, so why does that change in the last five minutes?

Maybe because what the Starchild said to Shepard made some sense to him? Maybe because he understood that there are things that cannot be changed, no matter what? Maybe because destroying them would destroy also synthetic life and controlling is even more of a gamble?

There can be many explanations, and the above are only an example taking in consideration the "ending" at face value and not as something else.

Han Shot First wrote...
Why does the best possible ending (from the writer's point of view) involve the Reapers surviving?

Because maybe they are not the evil every one presumed just because they wanted to annhiliate organic life? Assume different point of views, never one only. You are looking at the story from Shepard (and organic life in general) pow but what about the point of view of the Starchild and the Reapers?

It doesn't exist an absolute evil, never, as it doesn't exist an absolute point of view. It is obvious that the protagonist make it so that his/her pow seems absolute (it is his/her function) for as long as the narrative is centered only upon him/her but when the narrative expands (as in this case) so does the point of view assumed till then, that alters from absolute to relative.

For example you can think from your pow that the death of your child is a bad thing in absolute but the elephant in Africa cares not one bit about it. Everything is relative when the view expands to include different point of views.

Han Shot First wrote...
And why is the merging of all organic life with synthetics considered the best outcome? In a single stroke of green space magic it annihilates anything that made us human and completely destroys galactic diversity.

Excuse me, but where diverstiy is destroyed? The two remains intact and different (in fact SPOILER you see EDI and Joker togheter at the end, they are not the same individual but two separate entities, isn't it?).

And anyway the fact that this particular choice requires more EMS it's not proof by itself that's the best outcome. As in life, in fact, there's no best outcome at all in everything you do, it is just a matter of perspective.

Han Shot First wrote...
Were the Asari, Turians, or Krogan your favorite species? All gone now --- everyone is a cyborg.

????

The species remains intact, of what the hell are you talking about? Having a synthetic part in them doesn't change their nature, same as having a synthetic part didn't change Shepard.

Modifié par Amioran, 07 avril 2012 - 09:53 .

[Erixxxx]

The whole Mass Effect universe is based on the war between organics and synthetics. By mixing those two there would never be need for a war again, everyone would be the same. It may not have been the best executed ending of all time, but in light of the rest of the story it is the "logical" choice.

[Amioran]

Erixxxx wrote...

The whole Mass Effect universe is based on the war between organics and synthetics. By mixing those two there would never be need for a war again, everyone would be the same. It may not have been the best executed ending of all time, but in light of the rest of the story it is the "logical" choice.

Also humans are all the same yet they are all different.

This "everyone would be the same" is a complete nonsense. The diversity is a matter that goes beyond external parameters.

[Wulfram]

FlyingWalrus wrote...

Jedi Sentinel Arian wrote...

But I thought they push Blue Ending ... "So the illusive man was right"

This line made me the most angry out of th entire game.

My Shep hated the Illusive Man with a blind fury. Even if he was right, she'd never admit it. Perhaps Bioware's worst design choice in ME3 (besides the journal) was not allowing you to participate in the final "debate" with the Power That Be, real or imagined.

I don't think Shepard was saying that TIM was right, so much as they were clarifying that this was what Casper was saying.

Also, this is the wrong forum.