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[Drake-Shepard]

Lol the green ending is the Hitler ending - Make everyone the same!

[RyuujinZERO]

DJBare wrote...

Because somebody at Bioware is trying to push the singularity theory?

Except technological singularity is the very thing reapers are trying to "protect us from", creating a synthetic intelligence capable of exponential self improvement, in the vast majority of scenarios it ends badly...

Dresden Codak puts it rather well in one scene, where a group of (future) humans confronts an AI about their dwindling future in a runaway singularity scenario

Humans: "But what about us?"
Machine: "We can give you anything you want, save relevance"

Merging humans with machines ultimately still wouldn't solve the problem completely, a human/machine hybrid could keep up for longer in the rat race but inevitably the organic parts would become baggage. Neither does it solve the problem that AI's and organics would not think the same way and this could elad to conflict still.

Modifié par RyuujinZERO, 07 avril 2012 - 11:23 .

[Amioran]

Bocks wrote...

Why are you discussing this? The writing is horrendous, that's all you need to know.

Good. And who is the judge to the "bad writing". You? On which ground? Just your word?

Excuse me if I'm not impressed. At all.

I can bet how much you want that 90% of all the people here that say the end is "badly written" have no experience at all on determining what it constitues "bad writing" or not and yet you pretend you have.

But I know, it's easy go in the web and declare what you like without backing it up with nothing.

Modifié par Amioran, 07 avril 2012 - 11:24 .

[MassEffect4Eva1710]

Synthesis is known as the "best" ending because it brings "peace". Oh yeah, you're also changing everything everyone is without their consent! It's like;

"Hey, because I'm Commander Shepard I can turn you into a robot/flesh thingy because I say so!"

I hate the Synthesis ending because of that. It's unnatural! People are meant to be organic and robots are meant to be synthetic. And combining them is wrong. To me it's not the best ending. It's the worst.

[PaxtonFetel]

An easy way for men Shepard to stay alive in the green end. You do not need  jump  to turn into a cumshot most.
Go to the green light to remove his pants and masturbate there.

Modifié par PaxtonFetel, 07 avril 2012 - 11:26 .

[Farbautisonn]

Amioran wrote...

Ok, as you like. I already explained everything I had to explain. Run in circles if you like, I don't care.

-So... youre letting me off the proverbial hook then? Thanks oh so much your omnisicience!

You didn't explain anything at all and you continue to do so. Saying a thing sucks because it lacks originality but not going in the specific it's not an explanation at all. It is just a way to try to have a point lacking the ability to debate what the point really is.

-Ok. So saying that I do not believe the ME3 endings are art because they employ plot plagerism and shopped images is not an explenation. Thats not going into specifics either. Gotha.

I find it very easy to belive that you find the endings to be "art". I wonder... Do you have a painting of dogs playing poker at home?

[Farbautisonn]

Amioran wrote...

Bocks wrote...

Why are you discussing this? The writing is horrendous, that's all you need to know.

Good. And who is the judge to the "bad writing". You? On which ground? Just your word?

Excuse me if I'm not impressed. At all.

I can bet how much you want that 90% of all the people here that say the end is "badly written" have no experience at all on determining what it constitues "bad writing" or not and yet you pretend you have.

But I know, it's easy go in the web and declare what you like without backing it up with nothing.

/facedesk.

[Suko Reia]

Because its one of their favorite colors...

[Amioran]

Farbautisonn wrote...
-Ok. So saying that I do not believe the ME3 endings are art because they employ plot plagerism and shopped images is not an explenation. Thats not going into specifics either. Gotha.

No, it's not, because: A) shopped images and plagiarism has nothing to do with "bad writing", they are two separate concepts (you don't even understand this, omg), it's not specifical because you are not providing examples of the "plagiarism" nor you probably have a background to understand of what plagiarism is like in the specific of the discussion. Even more, even admitting "plagiarism", this alone doesn't indicate "bad writing" per se for various motives, one of which is that if this was the case the "plagiarized" work would be "bad writing" too and that would be a logical non-sequitur (naturally even assuming you can comprehend why).

Farbautisonn wrote...
I find it very easy to belive that you find the endings to be "art". I wonder... Do you have a painting of dogs playing poker at home?

Have I ever said that the endings are art (in the way you put it because in a large sense every form of writing it is)? I just said that you put them down without explaining nothing, and that's easy to do, but it just tells that you don't know anything at all of what you are babbling about and you just want to have a point because you say so.

As for my paintings, I am sorry for you but I studied art at the accademy and I am a well known writer in my country. I believe I know a "little" more than you about those two topics. Until you don't back up what you say with something of concrete I will surely not take you seriously either.

It is funny to talk this way, but nothing more.

Just a little hint: if you will ever talk with somebody that has a little experience on an argument you should be ready to backup what you say with something, not just hot air, because elsewhere it will be very difficult that s/he will take you seriously otherwise.

Modifié par Amioran, 07 avril 2012 - 11:37 .

[Suikoden]

Han Shot First wrote...

One thing that strikes me as bizarre is how the Green Ending is supposed to be the best possible ending. This option only opens up when you have a high EMS score, which suggests that Bioware intended it to be the ending with the best outcome.

Shepard's mission through three games and five years has been to destroy the Reapers, so why does that change in the last five minutes? Why does the best possible ending (from the writer's point of view) involve the Reapers surviving? And why is the merging of all organic life with synthetics considered the best outcome? In a single stroke of green space magic it annihilates anything that made us human and completely destroys galactic diversity. Were the Asari, Turians, or Krogan your favorite species? All gone now --- everyone is a cyborg.

The Green Ending is not at all supposed to be the best possible ending.  The way I see it is this:

1) Control = TIM.  He planned to use information about the Prothean superweapon discovered on Mars to take control of the Reapers to make humanity the dominant race in the galaxy.  Through conversation with Shepard, he realizes he's indoctrinated and shoots himself in the head.

2) Synthesis = Saren Arterius.  Saren thought of himself as "the future", a true cyborg, a fusion of both organics and technology, comprising "the strengths of both, the weaknesses of neither."  Through conversation with Shepard, he realizes he's indoctrinated and shoots himself in the head.

3) Destruction = Shepard.  Destruction is the only option that shows Shepard to be alive at the end of the game, while he dies, (or is indoctrinated if you subscribe to that theory).

Modifié par beutelmarkus, 07 avril 2012 - 11:49 .

[anlk92]

This really bugged me too. All things aside, if you wanted to get people to think and talk about your ending then don't favor or penalize one of the choices. Present all of them equally and let the player decide what they think is the best option.

I also have a problem with the destruction of synthetics in the destroy ending. It is obviously there just to get people to consider the other two options. It tells me that Bioware wasn't confident of the options they have given in the first place.

[Atalanta]

Amioran wrote...
As for my paintings, I am sorry for you but I studied art at the accademy and I am a well known writer in my country. I believe I know a "little" more than you about those two topics.

What do you write?

[Amioran]

Atalanta wrote...
What do you write?

Usually noirs, but I've also written some fantasy stuff (well, not really, it was still a mix of comedy/fantasy/noir).

[Swordfishtrombone]

What bothers me most about the green ending is that it is pure, pure space magic. There's not even an attempt at explaining how some beam of energy could suddenly turn everybody into cyborgs. They might as well had the fairy godmother make an appearance at the ending.

[Little Princess Peach]

the green and blue ending peev'd me off so much I spent all that time trying to get the geth to see reason with Tali's fleet and all the while some ghost space brat throws a large brick at me

Modifié par Tali-vas-normandy, 07 avril 2012 - 12:13 .

[AlexMBrennan]

Because Bioware changed the premise at the last second, from "Defeat the Reapers" to "Stop the technological singularity". Only Synthesis addresses the singularity at all

The Green Ending is not at all supposed to be the best possible ending. The way I see it is this:

What does how *you* see things have to do with *Bioware* pushing the green ending?

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 07 avril 2012 - 12:19 .

[Suikoden]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

Because Bioware changed the premise at the last second, from "Defeat the Reapers" to "Stop the technological singularity". Only Synthesis addresses the singularity at all

The Green Ending is not at all supposed to be the best possible ending. The way I see it is this:

What does how *you* see things have to do with *Bioware* pushing the green ending?

I was attempting to explain why I didn't think Bioware was pushing the green ending at all based on the previous games' connections between TIM/Saren and the control/synthesis option.  If anything, I thought Bioware was pushing the red/destruction ending by showing Anderson taking that path.

On a side note, what's really interesting about these endings when taken at face value, is that almost everyone has a completely different perspective on just what they mean.  

Modifié par beutelmarkus, 07 avril 2012 - 12:25 .

[gert56nom]

as the reapers have been responsible for building the Mass Effect relays & citadel in essence advancing the galaxies races , if thay hadn't would have any races advanced to rate being harvested.

then what 50,000 years go by , no ones ready to be harvested we'll just have to wait till the next cycle

The reapers are either stuck in a program loop

Or its all a lie & there just fattening us up to come & feed

[Village_Idiot]

From a moral standpoint, Destroy was the only ending that made any sense for me.

Life, regardless of whether organic or synthetic, has to right to self-determinate. Shepard may well be the goddamn hero of the galaxy, but does that qualify him/her to determine that all life needs to be subjected to this synthesis? No.

Does it qualify him/her to be infallible to the point of being capable to controlling the Reapers, the most powerful force in the galaxy? No.

The Reapers are far too powerful to even consider being controlled. Shepard is not perfect- hell as a renegade, he/she can be an outright xenophobe. Is that the kind of person who should control the Reapers? Synthesis on the other hand is a violation of every living being in the galaxy- it is a solution forced upon them without their consent.

Admittedly, destroy involves the genocide of an entire race (The Geth) along with other synthetics (though to what degree hasn't been established- yet). However, the Reapers are entirely removed from the equation. The remaining species are free, free to live and develop as they see fit. No enforced "evolution", no Reapers now under the control of a very flawed "God"- life is left to progress along the paths it chooses.

This freedom is the best victory in my opinion. If the Geth have to be the sacrifice, then so be it.

Oh, and the whole "Shepard lives" thing doesn't hurt either.

Modifié par Shadrach 88, 07 avril 2012 - 12:44 .

[BatmanPWNS]

Cuz:

a) Bioware rushed it like everything in the last mission
Bioware got some funny morals.

[Siven80]

Han Shot First wrote...

One thing that strikes me as bizarre is how the Green Ending is supposed to be the best possible ending. This option only opens up when you have a high EMS score, which suggests that Bioware intended it to be the ending with the best outcome.

Shepard's mission through three games and five years has been to destroy the Reapers, so why does that change in the last five minutes? Why does the best possible ending (from the writer's point of view) involve the Reapers surviving? And why is the merging of all organic life with synthetics considered the best outcome? In a single stroke of green space magic it annihilates anything that made us human and completely destroys galactic diversity. Were the Asari, Turians, or Krogan your favorite species? All gone now --- everyone is a cyborg.

No.

The best ending is where the Destroy option doesnt kill everyone and everything on Earth, and Shepard "breathes".

[poundoffleshaa]

 I like snythesis because it means when ever the remants of Cerbrus figure out how to use the reaper signal they will be able to control all life not just the reapers. 
I like control because with Benevalant God King Shepard can ensure human dominance until his mind is erroded into the reaper consensus. 
Destroy is such a waste of potential think about all that tecnology all that wisdom going to waste, the Reapers offer a potential for a near limitless future.

(Which endings the illusive man would choose).  

Modifié par poundoffleshaa, 07 avril 2012 - 12:55 .

[fainmaca]

Thing is, the green space magic kind of contradicts the whole point of Overlord, if you think about it. the whole message of Overlord is that merging organic with synthetic is a Bad Idea. In fact, for that matter, seeing as Overlord was designed to control the Geth, control of synthetics is a Bad Idea, too, undoing the logic of the blue space magic.

[Eain]

FlyingWalrus wrote...

Synthetics and Organics are merged into a new class of hybrid lifeforms, thereby removing the rift between the two. Major theme of transhumanism.

Eh, what? As someone who subscribes heavily to transhumanist philosophy I take offense at this gross oversimplification. If this is Bioware's attempt at tackling transhumanist issues then I would kindly request that they stick to writing stories where the chosen one is born the son of an unassuming farmer and has to rise up against the evil dark lord with an army of minions.

[Oldbones2]

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