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[KennyAshes]

I think some post had quotes from Jessica's twitter pointing this direction even. That depending on your choice the mass relays could be fixed etc.

But that is speculation and that I rather leave open for my fantasy

Modifié par KennyAshes, 06 avril 2012 - 01:17 .

[Chuvvy]

The fact that 90% of the announcement was bioware blowing themselves.

[Chuvvy]

KennyAshes wrote...

I think some post had quotes from Jessica's twitter pointing this direction even. That depending on your choice the mass relays could be fixed etc.

But that is speculation and that I rather leave open for my fantasy

In my fantasy Kal'Reeger is saved by a dashing human smuggler with a ragtag crew of men and women. Then they rob a train.

[tg0618]

How they are proud of ripping off another game's ending and calling it "artistic vision"
How they claim to be listening and responding (apprently with a middle finger).
How they say they are listening but are apparently oblivious to what fans most want. Which is MULTIPLE GOOD endings, not one crappy ending with three colors. Heck I'd even settle for THREE endings!!!!

But I will give them a chance....hopefully this fixes thing to my satisfaction.....other wise I don't know.......

[Fulgrim88]

Slidell505 wrote...

KennyAshes wrote...

I think some post had quotes from Jessica's twitter pointing this direction even. That depending on your choice the mass relays could be fixed etc.

But that is speculation and that I rather leave open for my fantasy

In my fantasy Kal'Reeger is saved by a dashing human smuggler with a ragtag crew of men and women. Then they rob a train.

Care to produce ME4? I'd buy that:bandit:

[Nauks]

*Biowares' refusal to elaborate on it, at all.
Doesn't exactly inspire confidence.

[killnoob]

not enough options, all the endings we have are equally depressing.

[BrotherFluffy]

They said they were listening, that they were taking our opinions into account, and then when they announce their "grand plan," they don't address ANY of our major complaints.

Listening and responding my fat fuzzy butt.

[FS3D]

Our choices still won't matter (unless they place heavy emphasis on the latter, and remove the destruction of the mass relay network)... Destroying galactic society renders everything that came before completely pointless and a waste of effort.

[Renew81]

I do not hate nor love it , i leave it open for speculation... hmm.. sound familiar...

[TheCinC]

I don't just have one, I have an entire list of seven reasons why I am disapponted, ordered as a response to the official announcement...

Reason number1: the condescending tone in the announcement:

"Since launch, we have had time to listen to the feedback from our most passionate fans [...]"

Are only the most passionate fans turned off by this ending? Judging by the numbers here on this forum alone, I don't think so.

Reason number 2: the use of 'artistic vision' to defend an Deus ex Machina ending that doesn't fit with the three games we've played and doesn't fit with the promises made to us before release:

The ending isn't anything like what was promised, so it can't be true that this was the 'artistic vision' of the writers all along. Even if it is, then that vision is irrelevant, because it isn't what we were promised. But I highly doubt the writers who gave us all those choices spread over three games would leave us with a choice between red, green and blue.

Reason number 3: we don't want explanations or answers regarding the current ending:

The current ending does not need to be explained to us, like we were children unable to grasp what we've seen. We want Shepard to either die in the field because we made a mistake, or dust him/herself off and get back into the fight and keep fighting until the bitter end. That way we can go back and try again, making different choices, buy and download DLC to give us new characters, weapons, equipment, allies, you name it.

Reason number 4: we don't want "additional cinematics and epilogue scenes" because we want to be able to make real choices and decide through those choices how Shepard's story ends.

The three choices we get are simply not choices Shepard could live with.

1) Kill all synthetic beings, including the Geth (in many cases now our allies, which would mean betraying them and would make Legion's sacrifice pointless) and Edi (now a crewmember and love interest of another crewmember, Joker) despite all the evidence that quite possibly synthetic and biological beings -can- live together. Not an option, especially not for a Paragon, possibly not even for a Renegade as it would mean genocide.

2) Take control of the Reapers, not knowing for a fact that this could work, risking being overwhelmed and not accomplishing anything but help the Reapers getting rid of Shepard. But even if Shepard remains in control, then what? Take away the freedom of choice for an entire race, no matter how heinous their crimes? Enforce peace throughout the Galaxy by using the Reapers as the ultimate 'big stick'? Sending the Reapers into the nearest star? It doesn't seem like much of a solution to me, much more like a dangerous gamble at best.

3) Fuse all organic and synthentic life, without anyone else having a say in this matter. Yeah, that seems like a nice thing to do to people, nevermind the implications of 'space magic' that really come with that.

In all cases, you furthermore: a) unquestionably accept the premise of the Star Child and of everything he is telling you and  condemn all races to being stranded where they are by blowing up the mass relays. Not every system is going to recover from that in time, no matter how that is solved in the end, millions if not billions will die.

Of course, if the three choices are a fakeout and Shepard really dies or becomes indoctrinated, then all of this is moot anyway.

Reason number 5: it feels like something to keep us quiet:

"Currently the Extended Cut DLC is planned for this summer, no specific date has been announced at this point."

Although I have to admit, getting new content on short notice would probably be far worse, as it would then be of very low quality due to the time constraints, the combination of the statements made regarding the shape of new content and the long lead time, combines to give us something which does not deliver on earlier promises, does not address our concern and may simply be intended to shut us up. Maybe they hope that with this, enough of us will quiet down, at least until summer.

Reason number 6: their stated goal is not to deliver on what we have been promised and on what we want:

"The goal of the DLC is not to provide a new ending to the game, rather to offer fans additional context and  answers to the end of Commander Shepard’s story."

So they clearly state there will not be even a single additional ending to the game, they will just take what we have and provide some more clarity. So, we can't even hope that they will, in the end, deliver on their promises.

Reason number 7: I paid for this game based on the promises which were made and the quality of ME1 and ME2

I paid full price for a Collector's Edition of ME3, which I preordered. I then expected, at minimum, a full fledged game, with an ending that a) makes sense and  ties up any loose ends. In that respect, ME3 did not deliver. Furthermore, we were promised a whole lot more and EA/Bioware did not deliver on those promises. For an overview of some of the promises made, see here.



Are we asking for too much? No, we are asking for what we were promised and what we paid for. Is this an impossible thing to do? Can anyone think of so many different endings? Yes we can.

Is this a viable option for EA/Bioware? If they want to save a franchise which has made them a lot of money? Sure it is. Is it a viable jumping off point for further content? Of course it is. So why the hell not? Why dig in their heels using 'artistic vision' as an excuse? As a writer myself, yeah, I might be miffed if I wrote an ending which was profound and people didn't 'get it' and started trashtalking it. But that is not what happened. Again, as a writer myself, I'd jump at the chance at showing my creative genius and get to work drawing up several different endings.

They know what they promised, now they know what we want, they made their move, but I don't see how that is to their advantage. I'm still hoping someone at EA/Bioware will see that what they are doing right now is counterproductive and take steps to alter their plans.

Modifié par TheCinC, 06 avril 2012 - 01:47 .

[Pulletlamer]

Reason number 1 clearly is: "Are we going to change the ending of the game? No."

Source:http://blog.bioware....3-extended-cut/

[Bronze65]

If you hate something you know nothing about, you're an idiot.

[Peranor]

sonicnymphonic wrote...

Honestly? "Lots of speculation from everyone."

That was one of the most insulting things I've ever seen.

I think the "Buy more DLC plx" exhortation at the end was the most insulting thing about the ending =)

But on topic. I don't hate the new ending. Im quite indifferent right now. I'll just wait and see what they are brewing up.

Personally I think I would have been happier with BioWare if they didn't change or explain the ending at all.
And instead just make an official apology admitting that they messed up the ending badly and saying that they are sorry and are going to lay of the LSD the next time they write an ending.

[D.Shepard]

KennyAshes wrote...

I think some post had quotes from Jessica's twitter pointing this direction even. That depending on your choice the mass relays could be fixed etc.

But that is speculation and that I rather leave open for my fantasy

That could be a least a positive event. However I suppose "fixing" the Mass Relays would be a different endings and they excluded it.

I wish you are right.
My interest for Mass Effect series is fading away.....sad but true.

[therussianviking]

The circular logic. I can deal with a deus ex machina, or even all the relays blowing up. But that cheap, shoe-horned explanation for the Reapers? That, my friends, was malarkey.

[KennyAshes]

D.Shepard wrote...

KennyAshes wrote...

I think some post had quotes from Jessica's twitter pointing this direction even. That depending on your choice the mass relays could be fixed etc.

But that is speculation and that I rather leave open for my fantasy

That could be a least a positive event. However I suppose "fixing" the Mass Relays would be a different endings and they excluded it.

I wish you are right.
My interest for Mass Effect series is fading away.....sad but true.

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/11037819/1

[Pulletlamer]

Bronze65 wrote...

If you hate something you know nothing about, you're an idiot.

We have enough information to make judgement and have an informed opinion. The blog post explains the exact purpose of the extended cut VERY clearly.

So your argument doesn't apply here.

[RazorrX]

Casper.

[Zix13]

Leafs43 wrote...

 I'll start:

-Star kid is still in it.  He was the crux of most of the problems.

Yup. They can't fix it while the starchild is still in the game. It also isn't fixing their A, B C ~ A ending. 

[Mattalix]

 Star kid - he just pops out of nowhere and doesn't make sense, star magic...

Actually no, the style (ABC) ground my gears most, why did none of my choices not affect the end of the game? surely its where they should affect most.

Modifié par Mattalix, 06 avril 2012 - 02:00 .

[Bronze65]

Pulletlamer wrote...

Bronze65 wrote...

If you hate something you know nothing about, you're an idiot.

We have enough information to make judgement and have an informed opinion. The blog post explains the exact purpose of the extended cut VERY clearly.

So your argument doesn't apply here.

Oh you do? Please. Inform me exactly what the DLC entails, from start to finish, and what it's meant to clarify.

[theoldmanfromscene24]

that it's free....

...oh wait...

[Peranor]

Bronze65 wrote...

Pulletlamer wrote...

Bronze65 wrote...

If you hate something you know nothing about, you're an idiot.

We have enough information to make judgement and have an informed opinion. The blog post explains the exact purpose of the extended cut VERY clearly.

So your argument doesn't apply here.

Oh you do? Please. Inform me exactly what the DLC entails, from start to finish, and what it's meant to clarify.

What I think the most people are dissatisfied about is the point below, and its pretty clear.


Are there going to be more/different endings or ending DLCs in the future?

• No. BioWare strongly believes in the team’s artistic vision for the end of this arc of the Mass Effect franchise. The extended cut DLC will expand on the existing endings, but no further ending DLC is planned.

Meaning that the oh so hated starchild will still be in the game. And the RGB "choises" will also still be there.

For most people knowing that starchild will still be in the game is enough to hate it. So don't accuse people of "hate something you know nothing about". Because they do. The FAQ is pretty clear.

Modifié par anorling, 06 avril 2012 - 02:16 .