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[brian_breed]

I've gotta say, I could swallow the forced endings if it weren't for the Normandy's "escape" and the conversation between the grandfather and grandkid. I wouldn't really like the endings, but I could accept them.

Since the press release explicitly states that there will be no retconning, I'm SOL.

[D.Shepard]

Toxic Waste wrote...

I went into the final battle with Ashley (my LI) and Vega. The end shows those two stepping out of the Normandy. The extended cuts may be able to explain some of the end game but I don't see how extended cuts will explain this away. I will give them the benefit of the doubt, but i am not hopefull.

Consider I went into the final battle with Garrus and Liara and the end showed Garrus and Javik stepping out of the Normandy. That was strange.....

[Tleining]

I don't hate the DLC. I hate the way they announced it. Once again holding up their Artistic Integrity Card. Once more saying that they are proud of the Ending.

The Ending is either broken, then they'll need to admit and fix it.
Or the ending is working as it should, the Players are just missing a lot. In that case make a Blog-Entry and tell us about it.

Giving us "even more Clarity and Closure" is just insulting the Fans who claim to haven't gotten any with the current Ending.

[Fulgrim88]

Deaddude56 wrote...

Sesshaku wrote...

Deaddude56 wrote...

BSN. A lot of you guys are so negative. I come here for info, and usually leave angry.

So, they made the most terrible choice they could have made about the ending.
We ask them for more, we offer them even crazy ways out like IT, we are willing to pay 10 for a new ending if they don't want to do that. They say we are entitled, that the plotholes are art, but that they're listening and we should wait for PAX.

Now Pax is coming but they're not going to talk about the ending, and we have to wait until summer for a 4 minutes cutscene that most probably will try to fix the plotholes in a pathethic way.


If someone leaves angry from these forums it's because Bioware ruined it, we're not negative, no one ever leaved angry from these forums with ME1 or ME2, we're angry for a reason. If you aren't well, good for you.

Why doesnt anyone reserve their judgement until seeing what Bioware has cooked up for us? As far as all of us know, the Extended Cut could provide all the answers we're looking for, prove the IT, etc.

Because that's what they want us to do.

They throw us a bone and we are expected to shut up and nod, maybe even praise them for it. By summer, most of Retake will have died down, either out of frustration or out of fresh "faith" in Bioware. The latter are bound to be disappointed by a few lazy cutscenes, but won't be anywhere near enough people to produce a backlash the likes of what we had.

The fact that they are still clinging to that ridiculous art defense, still clinging to that plothole ridden ending shows that they have NOT listened.

They have simply measured the gist of the public opinion (e.g. people wanting "clarification") so that's what they "generously" provide in order to rob us of our arguments.
Many won't be happy with it, many will leave, but Bioware has reasoned that loosing a couple thousand of their most fervent, but also most demanding supporters won't hurt in the long run.

It's a cold business decision to both silence the backlash in the eyes of the public and to separate Retake here on BSN.
It's not something I expected Bioware to be able to do in good conscience, but oh well. Times have changed

Modifié par Fulgrim88, 06 avril 2012 - 02:48 .

[Eclipse merc]

Leafs43 wrote...

 I'll start:

-Star kid is still in it.  He was the crux of most of the problems.

This.

[GeneralJackCosmo]

Two things:
1. Everyone should look up the words "climax" and "denouement" as they relate to dramatic structure, assuming you are not familiar with these terms. In ME3, what we got was a climax that sucks (e.g. red, blue, green), and almost NO denouement to speak of. According to the official press release, they are NOT changing the climax (unfortunately). What they ARE doing, hopefully, is providing us with proper denouement, which will hopefully provide a satisfying emotional end to our character's journey and provide us with some much needed catharsis.
2. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but right now all of us have UNINFORMED opinions, as we have not seen the final DLC. Until we do, hating it is just a little bit silly.

[Anxarcule]

#1 star brat
#2 completely arbitrary need for Shepard to die when choosing GB.
#3 completely arbitrary need for Geth/EDI to die by choosing R.
#4 Shep taking all the brat says at face value ("Sure...grab the electrified handles and you get to control the Reapers", for example)
#5 RGB
#6 "Artistic Integrity" talk

#7...#99 star brat

[brian_breed]

GeneralJackCosmo wrote...

Two things:
1. Everyone should look up the words "climax" and "denouement" as they relate to dramatic structure, assuming you are not familiar with these terms. In ME3, what we got was a climax that sucks (e.g. red, blue, green), and almost NO denouement to speak of. According to the official press release, they are NOT changing the climax (unfortunately). What they ARE doing, hopefully, is providing us with proper denouement, which will hopefully provide a satisfying emotional end to our character's journey and provide us with some much needed catharsis.
2. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but right now all of us have UNINFORMED opinions, as we have not seen the final DLC. Until we do, hating it is just a little bit silly.

You raise some good points, General. My problem is that they're retaining elements which try to hamfist denouement (Joker and crew, the final "tell me a story" horse turds).

[Applepie_Svk]

Leafs43 wrote...

 I'll start:

-Star kid is still in it.  He was the crux of most of the problems.

We still dont know what will be in CUT, are we ?
It could be a clarification of IT or clarification of hmm lol artistic integrity (that means whatever, even sh*t)

If this is clarification of IT?
That means BioWare actually was listening their fans and take some wisdom from rage of fans ...

Why it ?
Well it´s obvious, it was best material for plotholes and lack of explanation what we were witness in the end of game.

If not ?
Well, than we will be maybe surpirsed in good way or we will be even more upset as we were already from changes aound ME3 and DA2...

Thiís is very thin ice, where just now Bioware step...
Oh, yes they are right now holding are cards in hand, they can win and provide to fans answers and proper ending or they can took their luck with artistic integrity and lose lot of fanbase which is already upset from their previous silence and behavior.

PS: You know BioWare, artistic integrity and choices which you made was never in bigger danger than now, with your choice of last ten minutes of whole game series. We were never more upset since i watching your steps as fan, all decision which you made in previous parts was righ ones (noone has a problem with your endings from ME1,ME2 or DA:O than why did you decide to chose artisti integrity or whatever ?),
 You add to game whole new component which in truth provide most questions and even more plotholes.
Last thing what i want to say is all this crap around your artistic decision is was your fault, even worst you choose to defend it as your ARTISTIC INTEGRITY ... which is bullsti* because you were also still talking about YES WE LISTENING and YES WE ARE TRYING TO CREATE GAME FROM FANS FEEDBACK ....
In the end i hope you were realy listening and you took a lesson from this whole situasion and in near future you set things right. For your and our own sake ...

[jumpingkaede]

Leafs43 wrote...

-Star kid is still in it.  He was the crux of most of the problems.

Since it's already been said:

Ending where everyone dies to avoid a galactic problem with "technological singularity" that I wasn't aware of until 10 minutes to the end.  And clarification of that said ending.

[jumpingkaede]

Deaddude56 wrote...

Why doesnt anyone reserve their judgement until seeing what Bioware has cooked up for us? As far as all of us know, the Extended Cut could provide all the answers we're looking for, prove the IT, etc.

I agree that this may be the most peaceful course of action.  However, I don't think peaceful is productive.  Bioware clearly doesn't have a good handle on its customers/audience.  

If we go silent, they might interpret that as acceptance.  Or worse, that we "realized" how artistic and brilliant their ending actually was and have since gone over to the side of "75 perfect review scores".

The other thing about reserving judgment is that you generally need a good track record to earn that benefit.  Peter Molyneaux, for example, doesn't.  So when he talks about what he's going to promise to deliver in Fabie VI, people are highly critical even before the final product is shown.

Bioware, similarly no longer has a good track record.  Based on ME3 alone, their reputation for delivering on their promises is nearly shot.  Their "promises" for content range from misleading statements (e.g., "collector base/rachni will have a significant effect") to outright lies ("no bespoke endings/ABC endings/16 different endings").

Given that history, it's quite understandable that fans are critical of the upcoming extended cut.  Especially when the extended cut doesn't even sound like it delivers.

Modifié par jumpingkaede, 06 avril 2012 - 03:02 .

[x5kevleo]

There are no ewoks

[Esoretal]

"BioWare strongly believes in the team's artistic vision for the end of this arc of the Mass Effect franchise."

[Leafs43]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Leafs43 wrote...

 I'll start:

-Star kid is still in it.  He was the crux of most of the problems.

We still dont know what will be in CUT, are we ?
It could be a clarification of IT or clarification of hmm lol artistic integrity (that means whatever, even sh*t)

If this is clarification of IT?
That means BioWare actually was listening their fans and take some wisdom from rage of fans ...

Why it ?
Well it´s obvious, it was best material for plotholes and lack of explanation what we were witness in the end of game.

If not ?
Well, than we will be maybe surpirsed in good way or we will be even more upset as we were already from changes aound ME3 and DA2...

Thiís is very thin ice, where just now Bioware step...
Oh, yes they are right now holding are cards in hand, they can win and provide to fans answers and proper ending or they can took their luck with artistic integrity and lose lot of fanbase which is already upset from their previous silence and behavior.

PS: You know BioWare, artistic integrity and choices which you made was never in bigger danger than now, with your choice of last ten minutes of whole game series. We were never more upset since i watching your steps as fan, all decision which you made in previous parts was righ ones (noone has a problem with your endings from ME1,ME2 or DA:O than why did you decide to chose artisti integrity or whatever ?),
 You add to game whole new component which in truth provide most questions and even more plotholes.
Last thing what i want to say is all this crap around your artistic decision is was your fault, even worst you choose to defend it as your ARTISTIC INTEGRITY ... which is bullsti* because you were also still talking about YES WE LISTENING and YES WE ARE TRYING TO CREATE GAME FROM FANS FEEDBACK ....
In the end i hope you were realy listening and you took a lesson from this whole situasion and in near future you set things right. For your and our own sake ...

Bioware stated they are adding no new endings and no alternative endings with the extended edition.  That means there is no new endings being put in the game at all.  The IT requires an ending, and if no new ending is being introduced, there is no IT.


The only way the IT stays alive is if they spell it out for you for another future DLC, which is highly doubtful.  Like Shepherd's breathing scene is after a bunch of stuff Shepherd supposedly does and makes the disconnect seem even larger betwee the endings and the breathing scene.


Most of us assume Bioware rather than strengthen the IT theory is just going to try and explain the breathing scene.

[JamesT91]

its not an "art" at all, you cant make a mistake and completely rruin something then try to justify it as art, some of the higher ups decided they know better than both fans and writers and took it upon themselves to finish a series, they done a horrible job and know wont even admit that what they done was clearly wrong

[zer0netgain]

Esoretal wrote...

"BioWare strongly believes in the team's artistic vision for the end of this arc of the Mass Effect franchise."

Bethesda had a similar position when making Fallout 3.  While it was a beautiful game, in many ways it just blew chunks compared to what the first two games had to offer.

[Pulletlamer]

Bronze65 wrote...

Pulletlamer wrote...

Bronze65 wrote...

If you hate something you know nothing about, you're an idiot.

We have enough information to make judgement and have an informed opinion. The blog post explains the exact purpose of the extended cut VERY clearly.

So your argument doesn't apply here.

Oh you do? Please. Inform me exactly what the DLC entails, from start to finish, and what it's meant to clarify.

It seems you do not know how to read. The blog post is pretty clear but since I see that you need some help with reading, I will take the time to explain you what it says.

What can fans expect from the extended cut DLC?

• For fans who want more closure in Mass Effect 3, the DLC will offer extended scenes that provide additional context and deeper insight to the conclusion of Commander Shepard’s journey.

-It will offer  extended scenes that add additional context to the ending.

Are there going to be more/different ending DLCs in the future?

• No. BioWare strongly believes in the team’s artistic vision for the end of this arc of the Mass Effect franchise. The extended cut DLC will expand on the existing endings, but no further ending DLC is planned.

-No new / alternate endings planned. This DLC expands on the existing endings.

What is Bioware adding to the ending with the Extended Cut DLC?

• BioWare will expanding on the ending to Mass Effect 3 by creating additional cinematics and epilogue scenes to the existing ending sequences. The goal of these new scenes is to provide additional clarity and closure to Mass Effect 3.

-The extended scenes mentioned before consist of "additional cinematics and epilogue scenes".

If you need further clarification:

Are we going to change the ending of the game? No.

So, yeah. We are totally misinformed about what it contains. Like, no info at all.

Who's the idiot now, huh? =)  Or do you need a hint?

Modifié par Pulletlamer, 06 avril 2012 - 04:43 .

[Painaid]

People have already stated it, but yes, the Starchild is still in it.

You can polish up a turd all you want, BioWare. BUT IT'S STILL A TURD.

[Kamuchi]

 Space turd magic still in it 

Don`t hate it yet, but definitely don`t have high hopes how they can fix the mess they left behind
There are more plotholes then story at the end 

[wesr]

Because it's going to be a big middle finger to the fans instead of a simple (so to speak) expansion like Broken Steel. They're not even trying to appease the fans, it's the media they're trying to win over. Forbes already called them out on it and as fan rage grows again they'll lose fans and face as the media picks up on it again.