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@DoctorEss: I don't remember, did you try the maps that just modify the eyes etc., not the mouth? If ducklips was the problem. You could also try to disable those vertices yourself.

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Hi guys, great work, really impressed but i'm struggling to recreate my Femshep. I've tried all the different LOD maps with Lazarus but there are two problems every time. First her eyelashes clip through her eyelids no matter what i do to adjust them in gibbed, and second i get black clipping lines underneath her mouth even if i use the LOD map that only does eyes! I think this last problem may be something to do with teeth maybe? I'm struggling to get decent photos as i'm playing on xbox and my phone takes crappy photos! Do you guys have any advice or would some kind soul like to try and adjust it for me? Ha Ha Ha!!

ME2 Shep

https://p.twimg.com/...EZC3a.jpg:large

ME3 1.02 Patch

https://p.twimg.com/...EyrbZ.jpg:large

ME3 Lazarus

https://p.twimg.com/...A9-Xj.jpg:large

The Lazarus one has had some dodgy hair edits! :blush:

Modifié par esdubu, 22 avril 2012 - 10:06 .


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Holger1405

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esdubu wrote...

Hi guys, great work, really impressed but i'm struggling to recreate my Femshep. I've tried all the different LOD maps with Lazarus but there are two problems every time. First her eyelashes clip through her eyelids no matter what i do to adjust them in gibbed, and second i get black clipping lines underneath her mouth even if i use the LOD map that only does eyes! I think this last problem may be something to do with teeth maybe? I'm struggling to get decent photos as i'm playing on xbox and my phone takes crappy photos! Do you guys have any advice or would some kind soul like to try and adjust it for me? Ha Ha Ha!!


Point you to another post a few pages back.  

Dadriell wrote...

NatPro38 wrote...

Okay i have Eyelash clipping issues:
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On the right eyelash but it happens on the left aswell. Any idea how to solve this?


Yeah, it will happen a lot with those eyelashes. In fact, i had clipping issues with them even in ME12, but back then it was pretty rare, and thus didn't bothered me that much.
The way i dealt with the problem was that i have first unmapped upper eyelashes in Lazarus prior to applying changes. Then i opened up edited save game with gibbed and manually adjusted positions of vertices that make up the eyelashes.
I ended up increasing Z-value of top and middle vertices by 0.1 and 0.05 respectively, which resulted in longer eyelashes that do not clip, or at least don't clip quite that often.

If you want to try it, these vertices make up the top of upper eyelashes:
0, 2, 3, 7, 10, 11, 21, 22, 25, 28, 30, 31, 34, 45, 46, 49, 51, 54, 55, 57
And these make up the middle:
1, 4, 8, 9, 20, 23, 24, 26, 27, 29, 32, 33, 43, 44, 47, 48, 50, 52, 53, 56

Or you can simply unmap eyelashes in Lazarus and stick to default ones.


@ Teeth. I don't know the lod values for the teeth, but maybe you can try seting the "mouthbase" a little down. (The Z value 0,1-0,3 further to negative.)  

Edit: Ok, after the Pictures... you have a bigger problem with the eyes as just clipping. I would unmap eyes in Lazarus and set HED_EyeShadow_Tint_Scalar to 1.25 or 1.50. Didn't bring back the eyelashes, but enhance the Color.
Then try the solution from the quoted post.


 

Modifié par Holger1405, 22 avril 2012 - 10:57 .


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@DoctorEss can you post ME2 face code and ME2 pic vs Lazarus pic showing the problem.

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DaBozUK wrote...

@DoctorEss can you post ME2 face code and ME2 pic vs Lazarus pic showing the problem.


She/he did, at least Pictures, on page 66.

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@holger1405 Thanks for the advice but i'm not sure how to unmap anything. Is it something i do in the Lazarus program or do i manually need to adjust the lod_mapping.xml? God this is a pain in the arse, f***ing lazy Bioware and their stupid "patch"

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lillitheris wrote...

@DoctorEss: I don't remember, did you
try the maps that just modify the eyes etc., not the mouth? If ducklips
was the problem. You could also try to disable those vertices
yourself.


I tried, I think, 4 different maps.  It's not so much ducklips as it is "pointy cheek" and a just sort of overall "doesn't look right".


DaBozUK wrote...

@DoctorEss can you post ME2 face code and ME2 pic vs Lazarus pic showing the problem.


Sure, I did earlier, I can post it again here.  For the record, the facecode is a "recreated in ME2", so it's approximate, about 99% right.  The original character is created in ME1.

Face code:  151.19J.M61.W7M.KBQ.64U.1K8.711.W48.4P1.637.515

Screenshots:

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DoctorEss wrote...

Sure, I did earlier, I can post it again here.  For the record, the facecode is a "recreated in ME2", so it's approximate, about 99% right.  The original character is created in ME1.

Face code:  151.19J.M61.W7M.KBQ.64U.1K8.711.W48.4P1.637.515

Screenshots:
*snip*


She needs some makeup applied, but other than that, I don't see a problem with this translation.

[Edit] There is a little bit of squishing in the lips.  Try a map with the lips excluded.

Modifié par Vhalkyrie, 23 avril 2012 - 12:11 .


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Vhalkyrie wrote...

DoctorEss wrote...

Sure, I did earlier, I can post it again here.  For the record, the facecode is a "recreated in ME2", so it's approximate, about 99% right.  The original character is created in ME1.

Face code:  151.19J.M61.W7M.KBQ.64U.1K8.711.W48.4P1.637.515

Screenshots:
*snip*


She needs some makeup applied, but other than that, I don't see a problem with this translation.

[Edit] There is a little bit of squishing in the lips.  Try a map with the lips excluded.


For some reason, when I tried one without lip mapping, her lips got super odd shaped.  Also trying to solve the pointy cheeks, and to an extent I think the hair color us off.

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DoctorEss wrote...

For some reason, when I tried one without lip mapping, her lips got super odd shaped.  Also trying to solve the pointy cheeks, and to an extent I think the hair color us off.


Hmm.  I'm not sure I see the problem with the cheeks.  Lazarus doesn't fix the hair color, unfortunately.  You'll have to manually correct it.

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Hi ppl
I am in the game again with my Shep (thanks to Holger!)
what do you think?

is this some Femshep ore not :) (pssst maybe she might needs glasses) :)
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I still am curious for the better looking and improved Shep from Mod Selene Moonsong who visited us in this topic  telling us she did not understand why we are here..
I have sended Selene a PM to remember her to upload some screenshots.

Modifié par Emphyr, 23 avril 2012 - 12:42 .


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Just wanna say i used Lazerus to fix my femshep and it works wonders! That's a job well done.

It really makes Chris' comments about different lighting etc ring hollow when outstanding members of the fanbase can fix problems that bioware aparently cannot.

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@ Valckerie.
Thanks for all the investigations uploads and help! Mucho appreciated! Succes with your Project!
I am also a HUGE fan of Sigourney Weaver. Her Voice also would be perfect for a Femshep.

Ill never forget her voice saying: Nobody told me there is a AI (Robot) aboard? and Vasquez saying : " Who is Snowwhite" :)

You all take care!
The best thing about ME3 for me was not playing but meeting ppl in this topic and the locked topic.

Do we have a group to join so we can stay in touch?
Ifnot can someone create a Face Issue Group ?

You all take care!

And again! Thank you all who made it possible to have our fine femsheps back!
Woodbyte and Pheonix .. you 2 deserve the medal of Face Issue reconstruction!
and the Topic Starter Lilli also for updating post 1constantly!
Thank YOU!


Shame on You Bioware PR. And i do feel sorry for the devs involved that are not allowed to have free speech(:

Modifié par Emphyr, 23 avril 2012 - 12:50 .


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Ow i feel sorry for the PS3 ppl.. you still are ****

I saw this->
http://social.biowar...ndex/10687000/2

(in the framerate topic)
Message from Thomas Abrams. 25 days ago.

Valkyre4 wrote...
I have posted countless times so far.

The main issue is one: Framerate. Thomas, you say that you are reading what we say, I must have made more than 50 constructive and polite posts asking for you guys to step up and speak to us concerning the framerate and received nothing in return. How can you ignore us like that constantly and not expect some collateral damage? People are feeling ignored and its perfectly logical to get angry, because we are your fans and we expect better.

------Answer From Thomas (Bioware)-------

The simple answer is that we cannot post in every thread. We cannot reply to every question.

The long answer is:

Unfortunately due to how busy we (still) are working on additional content a lot of our team has not signed up (for a BW tag) on these forums (don't get this confused with browsing, they very much browse). I can tell you that almost every single post that is made here is read by someone on our team.

I can tell you that if you PM me any questions, comments and/or concerns that I will try to get back to you as soon as I can regardless of what you're asking.

I hope this clears a few things up.

Modifié par Emphyr, 23 avril 2012 - 01:02 .


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esdubu wrote...

@holger1405 Thanks for the advice but i'm not sure how to unmap anything. Is it something i do in the Lazarus program or do i manually need to adjust the lod_mapping.xml? God this is a pain in the arse, f***ing lazy Bioware and their stupid "patch"


OK, send my your ME2 save game, will fix it both till Thursday (my Time zone, CEST, which is yours? :))  
Send you a PM with my Email address.

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Vhalkyrie wrote...

DoctorEss wrote...

For some reason, when I tried one without lip mapping, her lips got super odd shaped.  Also trying to solve the pointy cheeks, and to an extent I think the hair color us off.


Hmm.  I'm not sure I see the problem with the cheeks.  Lazarus doesn't fix the hair color, unfortunately.  You'll have to manually correct it.


Yeah, I know I'll have to fix the hair color manually.  Just hard to get right.  What I'm talking about, about the cheeks, was mentioned earlier in the thread by other people.  When I use the r17/18 map(s), it nets that image from my screenshot, but depending on the conversation angle, part of her cheeks are puffed out, and kind of pointy.  

When I tried the map you had up recently, the one without lip mapping, it did something to her lip appearance that I can only describe as "simian". 

So that's pretty much where I'm stuck right now.

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Not sure if anyone else has this problem, but Norton Antivirus goes a little crazy when I try to download the r18 file.

False positive?

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Tee hee, completely unrelated but I just made some rather awesome brown Illusive Man eyes for my ME3->ME2 merged Eevy in ME2…

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DoctorEss

Holger Fixed my Shep! he did Great! Do sent him your save games!

Holger Thanks again and it is very nice seeing you online now and helping!

Ill email you

Take Care

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x0hn0th3r4nc0rx wrote...

Not sure if anyone else has this problem, but Norton Antivirus goes a little crazy when I try to download the r18 file.

False positive?


I think So
I can assure you nothing is wrong.
Norton goes crazy often :)  ( Macafee also) i suggest Nod32 ore Fsecure

Take Care

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DoctorEss wrote...

When I tried the map you had up recently, the one without lip mapping, it did something to her lip appearance that I can only describe as "simian". 


Did you try with offset bones checked off?  That's what worked for me.

Modifié par Vhalkyrie, 23 avril 2012 - 01:24 .


#1847
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Vhalkyrie wrote...

DoctorEss wrote...

When I tried the map you had up recently, the one without lip mapping, it did something to her lip appearance that I can only describe as "simian". 


Did you try with offset bones checked off?  That's what worked for me.


Not yet, but I'll try in a bit, see if it fixes monkeyface Shep.  With my renegade, it's that I gave her such a unique look, (IMO) I think.  Makes it very easy to tell if it's even slightly off. 

Just been trying to get that a-ha moment, the one where you look at your Shep, and for the first time, it feels right. 

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Vhalkyrie wrote...
I think this person on MassEffect2Faces.com did a better job of making the 'new' default Shepard based on the art.

New ME3 Jane Shepard Remake MassEffect2Faces.com

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That one - while nice - requires texmod for the facial textures. Which imo is completely lame.

Hellosanta's version of the default really rocks though. Very nice job.

Modifié par jimbo32, 23 avril 2012 - 01:35 .


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lillitheris wrote...

Tee hee, completely unrelated but I just made some rather awesome brown Illusive Man eyes for my ME3->ME2 merged Eevy in ME2…


Pictures? :)

Modifié par Holger1405, 23 avril 2012 - 01:38 .


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jimbo32 wrote..

That one - while nice - requires texmod for the facial textures. Which imo is completely lame.

Hellosanta's version of the default really rocks though. Very nice job.


My point was simply that fans made better translations than Bioware. ;)  I personally wouldn't use it, but it does look like the art.

Modifié par Vhalkyrie, 23 avril 2012 - 01:42 .