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[JnEricsonx]

Or use both?  Explain how Accuracy is different than stability, which I tend to assume means it lowers recoil, which I figure equals spread?

[Firesteel]

Stability is the amount of recoil the gun has, accuracy is the spread of the bullets. I would avoid scopes because the accuracy increase is not too noticeable and tunnel vision really hurts. Stability mods are good for all ARs but the beam rifle Phaeston, GPR, and Avenger since all of these guns have such low recoil.

[cruc1al]

Stability mods are good for all ARs but the beam rifle Phaeston, GPR, and Avenger since all of these guns have such low recoil.

Indeed. I'd say that single shot assault rifles like Mattock and Saber don't really benefit from stability much either. Stability mods work best on burst weapons like vindicator and argus, allowing you to more easily land all three shots, and of course on Revenant.

For Avenger and the like, I find mag extension and extended barrel to be the best combination.

Modifié par cruc1al, 06 avril 2012 - 08:09 .

[ashwind]

Stability mods work best on burst weapons like vindicator and argus

I doubt anything can make the Argus useful... If I wanna multi-shot assault riffle that spreads bullets like that... I'd bring a shotgun. It is infinitely more effective and deadly.

[Doriath]

Firing from cover greatly reduces recoil, which kind of makes the stability damper unneeded for all but a couple assault rifles. The precision scope as I understand is only relevant when on the move or taking fire. In that case well, I really don't see a use for it at all, in addition to the fact that the scope restricts your view too much.

Personally I don't use either. For most assault rifles, some combination of the extended barrel, piercing mod, and magazine upgrade are better upgrade choices. I would think the argus and revenant may be the only rifles that get significant benefit from the stability damper.

[cruc1al]

ashwind wrote...

I doubt anything can make the Argus useful... If I wanna multi-shot assault riffle that spreads bullets like that... I'd bring a shotgun. It is infinitely more effective and deadly.

Didn't claim it makes it useful

chrisnabal wrote...

Firing from cover greatly reduces recoil, which kind of makes the stability damper unneeded for all but a couple assault rifles.

Except that you're not always firing from cover.

Modifié par cruc1al, 06 avril 2012 - 08:58 .

[ashwind]

cruc1al wrote...

ashwind wrote...

I doubt anything can make the Argus useful... If I wanna multi-shot assault riffle that spreads bullets like that... I'd bring a shotgun. It is infinitely more effective and deadly.

Didn't claim it makes it useful

I have tried putting Damper V and Scope on the Argus, it still fires like an unaimed Sniper.

Ok, there are "some" improvements like instead of spreading the bullets across 80% of the target in the range, it spreads only 60% across the target. 

Hence what I actually wanted to say is, i find that the stability mod works with weapons that are not totally chaotic but it works better for guns like the Revenant that has "salvageable" stability issues.

There are guns that are beyond help and the stability mod cant do anything 

Modifié par ashwind, 06 avril 2012 - 09:12 .

[Tyriael_Soban]

the Revenant isnt all that bad, its my weapon of choice on my sentinel lol it does spray at longer ranges though, i wouldnt combine a scope and a dampener at the same time on the same weapon, the result is somewhat ineffective, personally i just use extended mag and barrel upgrades ... with the turian racial training you can effectively compensate for a large sum of stability issues with high-recoil guns, and the scope has a negligable effect on anything apart from the geth rifle, saber and mattock tbh.

Modifié par Tyriael_Soban, 06 avril 2012 - 09:32 .

[Jack Mackerel]

Firesteel7 wrote...

Stability is the amount of recoil the gun has, accuracy is the spread of the bullets. I would avoid scopes because the accuracy increase is not too noticeable and tunnel vision really hurts. Stability mods are good for all ARs but the beam rifle Phaeston, GPR, and Avenger since all of these guns have such low recoil.

And, this'll sound very strange, the Revenant. The rise is bad, but it's nowhere near the Hurricane's level and it's actually rather controllable, even with a scope without a dampener. However, you really don't need the scope on a Revenant...

[stu_]

ashwind wrote...

Stability mods work best on burst weapons like vindicator and argus

I doubt anything can make the Argus useful... If I wanna multi-shot assault riffle that spreads bullets like that... I'd bring a shotgun. It is infinitely more effective and deadly.

Fire it ONLY from cover and you'd be surprised at how frequently you pop heads with it!


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Don't use a scope on it, As it just exasperates the recoil.

Modifié par stu_, 06 avril 2012 - 11:31 .

[All-a-Mort]

Hmmm, I used Argus with stability V and Scope V on my soldier run on Xbox360 and found that medium-short range I could land all three shots on target (providing target was center mass and not a barn door). Must be the fabled (or despised) console auto-assist.

So for Saber, I gather scope and say piercing is most useful if planning to use it as a pseudo-sniper rifle? And is it better in that role than say scoped Mattock (which feels nerfed compared to ME2) or the DMR Raptor?

[Athenau]

I prefer scopes. It's easy enough to control recoil manually for most assault rifles, and scopes make a huge difference. For example, the unscoped saber has great initial accuracy but terrible reticule bloom so you can't maintain the full rate of fire without losing accuracy. Scoped, it has perfect accuracy and no degradation, even when out in the open and moving.

Learn to quickscope and the tunnel vision problem (mostly) goes away.

[ashwind]

stu_ wrote...

ashwind wrote...

Stability mods work best on burst weapons like vindicator and argus

I doubt anything can make the Argus useful... If I wanna multi-shot assault riffle that spreads bullets like that... I'd bring a shotgun. It is infinitely more effective and deadly.

Fire it ONLY from cover and you'd be surprised at how frequently you pop heads with it!


-edit-

Don't use a scope on it, As it just exasperates the recoil.

  Poping heads from behind cover is a job for Sniper Riffles or the M99 Sabre.

Edit: And I might add, I dont even need to be behind cover to pop heads with the guns mentioned above. So yeah.. the Argus is totally worthless

Modifié par ashwind, 06 avril 2012 - 11:50 .

[Doriath]

cruc1al wrote...

chrisnabal wrote...

Firing from cover greatly reduces recoil, which kind of makes the stability damper unneeded for all but a couple assault rifles.

Except that you're not always firing from cover.

Fair point, but I am firing from cover enough that the stability mod isn't a consideration for me on any assault rifle I'd actually use. I do fire out of cover often, but then I would just use tap fire or in the case of the vindicator, push downward on the thumbstick. To me there are ways to get around recoil without a mod so I can't justify sacrificing the extended barrel or piercing mod/magazine upgrade.

[capn233]

Hmm...

The only AR's I use with regularity are the Vindicator, Revenant and Mattock, at least in single player.

Usually I like to run AR Piercing and Scope on the Vindicator and attempt to compensate for muzzle rise myself if I am out of cover. Scope makes it easier to get headshots, especially in cover. However, the stability mod does mitigate muzzle rise out of cover with this weapon so it isn't a bad choice. It isn't what I prefer though.

On the Revenant I like to use stability to help with the recoil. The scope on that weapon didn't seem to help with much of anything, so I usually go with AR Piercing.

For the Mattock I tend to use AR Piercing and the Extended Clip or Scope, depending on my mood.

As you can tell, I like to shoot through cover and have a bonus against armor. I don't care for the barrel extensions on these AR's. Partly because they look terrible, and more importantly because I don't think the damage bonus seems all that great.

[Jestina]

Piercing mod and extended barrel are the only thing I ever use. Don't see the point in having a scope on anything other than a sniper rifle.

[IceTrey1987]

Throwing a scope and stability mod onto a revenant will make it into a decently accurate AR with a ton of ammo, but the DPS boost of extended barrel is better. I usually go with stability and extended barrel. If you're using the revenant at anything further than close-mid range, you should be in cover anyway and using the accuracy increase from that.

[Quething]

The answer to your question, OP, is that recoil and accuracy are actually indeed different things.

Recoil is how much your muzzle jumps vertically after every shot.

Accuracy is how likely it is for a shot you fire to actually land at the exact point that you aimed at.

Recoil can be compensated for if you have good aim control (easier on the PC). Low accuracy is an automatic penalty imposed by the game engine that can only be improved by the gun mod, though with most guns accuracy goes from tight to wide over time, so firing in short bursts will at least reduce bullet spread.

[IceTrey1987]

ashwind wrote...

Stability mods work best on burst weapons like vindicator and argus

I doubt anything can make the Argus useful... If I wanna multi-shot assault riffle that spreads bullets like that... I'd bring a shotgun. It is infinitely more effective and deadly.

You're right, nothing can save the Argus.

Stability mod is most useful on Revenant and maybe Vindicator or Valkyrie (but I don't mind the recoil on those last two)

I stay away from scopes because I don't like the tunnel vision, the accuracy doesn't help the spread all that much, and I could be using that slot for extended barrel.