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[Vexia2070]

AT THE END where the 3 ugly choices are... It would not be too hard to tag on a forth.... think about this... Shepard spots "Something" (no idea what) works his or her way painfully to it. (maybe one of those spheres we kept finding. I don't know... Something. And destroys it and star child goes poof.
( satisfying many) If star child goes poof, maybe relays do explode. But not trigger supernovas. Reapers inert, dead. Now lots of reaper tech is all over the galaxy and earth to be salvaged for scrap and tech. I can see relays being rebuilt using that junk. Here and their a few more advanced destroyers, reapers are left for whatever reasons to still kill by conventional means.(maybe) (just tossing out ideas) - The upshot is there ending with kid - BW keeps that and it is intact for the most part. Shepard rallies - Ends kid, reapers Offline forever - You brains work out the details. then its conclusion time. ... this would really thrill me. tear it apart. but god I would love that forth option.

[Canis_Major]

RIght now we have a stupid ending (starchild) which besides make no sense (plotholes).

I fear after DLC we will have a plain stupid ending that makes sense (even if it contradicts lore), due to poor writing (deus ex machina)

I can only pray that Bioware shuts my mouth up delivering something truly great.

[webhead921]

I honestly hope that the epilogue is just a dragon age 3 trailer, followed by a quick clip of buzz aldrin giving you the finger. The rage here would provide a ton of entertainment value.

[Skeejee]

I...I can only trust in Bioware.....

[augustburnt]

This is bull**** and Bioware knows it. It took TIM years to duplicate reaper tech. He had the best tech available in the universe. Asari have ad thousands of years with Prothean tech and they aren't even close to building relays. Guess what, earth is toast scientists are dead, so are the facilities. The complete disregard for the ME universe from Bioware is sad.

[VibrantYacht]

I agree with OP.

I think we've conditioned ourselves to respond to BioWare in a negative way no matter what the news. I think we should just be patient over the next few months and perhaps not expect the best (because everyone has their own idea of what the ending should be) but expect something good. I don't see anything negative in any of their tweets or anything. They seem to understand and I say we just be nice. It's not giving up, it's respect.

[gothicslo]

So it is up to community to make a new ending?

N7 mission: Consturct a better ending

[VibrantYacht]

BringBackNihlus wrote...

VibrantYacht wrote...

I agree with OP.

I think we've conditioned ourselves to respond to BioWare in a negative way no matter what the news. I think we should just be patient over the next few months and perhaps not expect the best (because everyone has their own idea of what the ending should be) but expect something good. I don't see anything negative in any of their tweets or anything. They seem to understand and I say we just be nice. It's not giving up, it's respect.

Wow, a considerate and reasonable poster. Who woulda thunk it?

To your point, I think many people on here were looking for a reason to blow up on BioWare, and they got it when they heard their buzz words for bad, like "clarify."

Firstly, thank you.

Secondly, I agree with your statement. I think people are looking into things far too much or creating problems where there aren't any.  You summed things up nicely. I can't really add much to that.

[CDHarrisUSF]

If my problems with the ending were from what I didn't see, it would have been merely disappointing rather than devastating. Adding more to the ending will not fix what I hate about it. What hurts the most from the "extended cut" announcement is that it is inarguable proof that the writers still think this ending was a good idea.

That is why BioWare is dead to me.

Modifié par CDHarrisUSF, 06 avril 2012 - 06:42 .

[KaeserZen]

CDHarrisUSF wrote...

If my problems with the ending were from what I didn't see, it would have been merely disappointing rather than devastating. Adding more to the ending will not fix what I hate about it. What hurts the most from the "extended cut" announcement is that it is inarguable proof that the writers still think this ending was a good idea.

That is why BioWare is dead to me.

Well, they are not only adding more : that's bringing closure.

They are also altering the current ending : clarifying.

As you pointed, though, there are things that are not going to go away, like the Star Child and his logic behind the Reapers. That said, even though I will still feel that a different plot would have been better for this part, I will accept it if BioWare doesn't keep the ending as soul crushing as it is. If they bring the story telling in the ending up to what we get in the rest of the game, I'll be fine.

I am very sure they wanted to convey a sense of achievement and hope, but they really failed to deliver it

VibrantYacht wrote...

I agree with OP.

I think
we've conditioned ourselves to respond to BioWare in a negative way no
matter what the news. I think we should just be patient over the next
few months and perhaps not expect the best (because everyone has their
own idea of what the ending should be) but expect something good. I
don't see anything negative in any of their tweets or anything. They
seem to understand and I say we just be nice. It's not giving up, it's
respect.

I agree completely with your second post. They are looking at half the picture in order to justify raging.

Modifié par KaeserZen, 07 avril 2012 - 03:28 .

[Fapmaster5000]

Shameless self-promotion incoming:

http://social.biowar...ndex/11118797/1

How to clarify the ending and make it acceptable (example).

[The_Crazy_Hand]

 After PAX, anyone still think you can "work together", or that Bioware listens to us?

[BARRAGE 74]

TheRisenStar wrote...

At what point did you believe they want or care about this being a collaboration?

That they are citing "artistic vision" should tell you all you need to know - this isn't a collaboration. They will submit their "expanded" version and we will get a chance to decide. My hopes are not high.

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[KaeserZen]

The_Crazy_Hand wrote...

 After PAX, anyone still think you can "work together", or that Bioware listens to us?

I can't access to Youtube, what happened at PAX exactly ? Aside from the Resurgence announcement ?

[TheOptimist]

Fapmaster5000 wrote...

Shameless self-promotion incoming:

http://social.biowar...ndex/11118797/1

How to clarify the ending and make it acceptable (example).

Seriously, this and similar adjustments to the other two, along with some cutscenes showing you the normandy crew, Earth, and the rest of the galaxy aren't doomed and an epilogue that reflects your choices would fix the endings and make the game playable.  It CAN be done.

[thesnake777]

I dont know how I feel about this middle ground thing were getting. What I do know is I am tired of the words "artistic integrity" and "artistic vision" getting thrown around because that is a crock of ****, those things were violated in a board room somewhere months ago.

I think they can repair alot of the bs in the endings especially if they make it clear the reaper kid is a liar, give us a epilogue etc.
It would be alot of work at this point I don't know if they will do it.
I will take a wait and see approach.

[hanshotfirs]

I'm liking the voices of reason emerging here... bump!

[The_Crazy_Hand]

KaeserZen wrote...

I can't access to Youtube, what happened at PAX exactly ? Aside from the Resurgence announcement ?

Repeated, deliberate ignoring of the ending issue, stubbornness, and shutting out of non-plants in a nutshell.

They are refusing to add in a 4th option, citing "artistic vision", despite all the **** they already changed.

It is plain, simple stubbornness.

Modifié par The_Crazy_Hand, 07 avril 2012 - 03:50 .

[Heather Cline]

No I will not cut them some slack. They did NOT listen to what the majority of the retakers. We want our choices to matter. We want the very diverse and varying endings that were promised. We want the ability to choose our own ending. Going from dark and bleak to the happy ending where Shepard Survives and lives out the rest of her/his life with her/his LI.

That is what we want. Not this stupid extended cut ending that doesn't give us the endings that were promised before launch. So NO I will not cut them slack not one inch, not one foot, not a single micro inch. They will get no slack from me and any who give them slack really weren't committed to the retake movement anyways.

[Heather Cline]

thesnake777 wrote...

I dont know how I feel about this middle ground thing we're getting. What I do know is I am tired of the words "artistic integrity" and "artistic vision" getting thrown around because that is a crock of ****, those things were violated in a board room somewhere months ago.

I think they can repair alot of the bs in the endings especially if they make it clear the reaper kid is a liar, give us a epilogue etc.
It would be alot of work at this point I don't know if they will do it.
I will take a wait and see approach.

This is not a middle ground. The fact is if it was a middle ground they would keep the current endings for the Pro-Enders, have the explanation stuff for those who want closure and then add in additional options and endings for those of us who want the endings we were promised. THAT is a middle ground. NOT what we are being given. What we are being given is a slap in the face plain and simple. It's a PR move that will result in even more and even harsher backlash from those of us who don't even want this stupid extended cut.

[The_Crazy_Hand]

Heather Cline wrote...

This is not a middle ground. The fact is if it was a middle ground they would keep the current endings for the Pro-Enders, have the explanation stuff for those who want closure and then add in additional options and endings for those of us who want the endings we were promised. THAT is a middle ground. NOT what we are being given. What we are being given is a slap in the face plain and simple. It's a PR move that will result in even more and even harsher backlash from those of us who don't even want this stupid extended cut.

This

At this point though, we can pretty much abandon hope of the ending changing.  However, we can still show them they made a mistake by voting with our wallets.

Hold The Wallet.

[thesnake777]

Heather Cline wrote...

thesnake777 wrote...

I dont know how I feel about this middle ground thing we're getting. What I do know is I am tired of the words "artistic integrity" and "artistic vision" getting thrown around because that is a crock of ****, those things were violated in a board room somewhere months ago.

I think they can repair alot of the bs in the endings especially if they make it clear the reaper kid is a liar, give us a epilogue etc.
It would be alot of work at this point I don't know if they will do it.
I will take a wait and see approach.

This is not a middle ground. The fact is if it was a middle ground they would keep the current endings for the Pro-Enders, have the explanation stuff for those who want closure and then add in additional options and endings for those of us who want the endings we were promised. THAT is a middle ground. NOT what we are being given. What we are being given is a slap in the face plain and simple. It's a PR move that will result in even more and even harsher backlash from those of us who don't even want this stupid extended cut.

I somehow doubt we will get anything more. It is PR Bull****. That was apparent when they kept hiding behind this artistic shield of theres. 
You are right I was being too nice calling this the middle ground. It is the least they can do. 
I will however wait to see what they do. If they put a real effort in to this and I mean a real goddamn effort they may be able to salvage the situation.

[MakeMineMako]

I'm playing the "Wait and See" game, myself.

But I do agree that further feedback from us will fall on deaf ears. We have given feedback aplenty over the last month.

The ball is firmly in Bioware's court now. How they play it is up to them. I just hope that they play it wisely.

[KaeserZen]

Heather Cline wrote...

thesnake777 wrote...

I dont know how I feel about this middle ground thing we're getting. What I do know is I am tired of the words "artistic integrity" and "artistic vision" getting thrown around because that is a crock of ****, those things were violated in a board room somewhere months ago.

I think they can repair alot of the bs in the endings especially if they make it clear the reaper kid is a liar, give us a epilogue etc.
It would be alot of work at this point I don't know if they will do it.
I will take a wait and see approach.

This is not a middle ground. The fact is if it was a middle ground they would keep the current endings for the Pro-Enders, have the explanation stuff for those who want closure and then add in additional options and endings for those of us who want the endings we were promised. THAT is a middle ground. NOT what we are being given. What we are being given is a slap in the face plain and simple. It's a PR move that will result in even more and even harsher backlash from those of us who don't even want this stupid extended cut.

The endings promised closure and vastly different outcomes based on your choices. This is what the Extended Cut is about to provide with additional cutscenes and epilogues.

It's not going to be more of the same. Granted some things like the star kid are not going to change.
Stop looking at only what you want to look. Take the full picture before making an opinion.