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[Ieldra]

a.m.p wrote...
Nobody starves to death. Okay, completely in favor of. How?

That's easy. Dextro-aminoacids shouldn't be that hard to produce, even in industrial quantities. And if you saved the quarians, they have their liveships and can supply food until the production is up.

Shepard survives destroy and is reunited with the crew. Sweet. Again, how?

Shepard is found in the wreckage of a CItadel ward (no falling from orbit, no). About the Normandy, well, that will take some fancy explaining.

Relays being rebuilt - great. How soon? With what resources? With what knowledge?

Perhaps they'll limit that to Control, where the fate of the relays is already ambiguous. Otherwise, the knowledge shouldn't be a problem, Aethyta hinted that it's already known how. Resources is the big one for those endings where the relays are completely gone, with the energy of a star being bound up in a relay.

[a.m.p]

Ieldra2 wrote...

a.m.p wrote...
Nobody starves to death. Okay, completely in favor of. How?

That's easy. Dextro-aminoacids shouldn't be that hard to produce, even in industrial quantities. And if you saved the quarians, they have their liveships and can supply food until the production is up.

Shepard survives destroy and is reunited with the crew. Sweet. Again, how?

Shepard is found in the wreckage of a CItadel ward (no falling from orbit, no). About the Normandy, well, that will take some fancy explaining.

Relays being rebuilt - great. How soon? With what resources? With what knowledge?

Perhaps they'll limit that to Control, where the fate of the relays is already ambiguous. Otherwise, the knowledge shouldn't be a problem, Aethyta hinted that it's already known how. Resources is the big one for those endings where the relays are completely gone, with the energy of a star being bound up in a relay.

Well, this just reinforces my point. There are ways to answer these questions.
Under no circumstances should they be simply handwaved in this upcoming DLC. Which I'm afraid might happen.

[Flextt]

Ieldra2 wrote...

a.m.p wrote...
Nobody starves to death. Okay, completely in favor of. How?

That's easy. Dextro-aminoacids shouldn't be that hard to produce, even in industrial quantities. And if you saved the quarians, they have their liveships and can supply food until the production is up.

What industry when the Quarians are exterminated? Alliance space is devastated, including commercial, civilian and military centers on Earth. I also doubt the Quarians would bring lifeships to the Earth, if they got Rannoch back (though you see them in the cinematic, which I find idiotic)

[JacobNZW]

I've raged quite a bit on facebook and here in the forums. I'm done with it. There're better things to live for the ME3. But reading the tweet by Jessica made me hopefull again, so maybe after all I will get the so much desired closure.

I'll keep holding the line with cautious optimism.

[nightsinger]

Flextt wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

a.m.p wrote...
Nobody starves to death. Okay, completely in favor of. How?

That's easy. Dextro-aminoacids shouldn't be that hard to produce, even in industrial quantities. And if you saved the quarians, they have their liveships and can supply food until the production is up.

What industry when the Quarians are exterminated? Alliance space is devastated, including commercial, civilian and military centers on Earth. I also doubt the Quarians would bring lifeships to the Earth, if they got Rannoch back (though you see them in the cinematic, which I find idiotic)

It is not idiotic at all. It is stated in game that the quarians have equiped most (all?) of their lifeships with weapons that can match a dreadnought. While not being as heavily armored as a real dreadnought, this fact and their sheer number makes them a considerable force in a combat against the reapers. If you look at the points awarded for the life-fleet in terms of war assets, it is hinted that the quarian life-fleet alone is stronger than any other non-quarian military fleet in the galaxy.

[Asclepus]

I think that, despite how well ordered and reasoned the OP's post is, that he's forgetting that the only reason Bioware even agreed to this is because of pressure. I think the only way to ensure that this DLC is in anyway done right or to anyone's satisfaction is by keeping up a certain amount of pressure and actual criticism.

[KaeserZen]

Asclepus wrote...

I think that, despite how well ordered and reasoned the OP's post is, that he's forgetting that the only reason Bioware even agreed to this is because of pressure. I think the only way to ensure that this DLC is in anyway done right or to anyone's satisfaction is by keeping up a certain amount of pressure and actual criticism.

In no way do I disagree with your post.

Keep criticizing and pointing the things that need to be adressed is what I'm advocating since the OP 

[Kandon Arc]

Here's my minimum list of points that need to be clarified -

1) obviously it needs to be said that destruction of MRs doesn't destroy all life - they are deactivated or disabled or something.

2) an explanation as to why the exploding Citadel doesn't lead to the destruction of Earth (and how Shepard survives on an exploding Citadel).

3) What is a synthetic? If Geth are synthetics, does that mean all AI's are as well? Or all VI's? Or Quarian suits?

4) an explanation as to what is going on with Joker running away.

5) Some explanation of how the fleets around Earth get home without Mass Relays

There are many more points I could add, but I feel if Bioware answer these, they will have solved some of the worst confusing parts of the ending.

[Trishot]

The OP makes valid points, you should listen to this, guys.

Now, I sadly lack time to read though all (currently seven pages)

But I don't understand some of you people. Yes, they are going to change the ending, they said they aren't but indirectly they are. Allow me to try and explain.

Ok, so at the end we have three choices, RBG. Now when "Extended Cut" comes along it will give us closure and such based upon all our previous choices. I do not know which forms the closure and clarification will take. But I am assuming it is something along the line of cutscenes and epilogue.
This has been suggested a couple of time since the release of ME3 on these very forums.

Ok, so I'll try make an analogy here.
You should try to look at this as making a delicious pie. Where your choices are the ingredients and the ending the result. Instead of looking at the RBG as an ending. Look at it as if its the final ingredient affecting the result of the pie. The closure and clarification which will take form (presumably) in the form off cutscenes is the end result and unique to you (because you used different ingredients than others)

Modifié par Trishot, 06 avril 2012 - 11:30 .

[KaeserZen]

Trishot wrote...

Ok, so I'll try make an analogy here.
You should try to look at this as making a delicious pie. Where your choices are the ingredients and the ending the result. Instead of looking at the RBG as an ending. Look at it as if its the final ingredient affecting the result of the pie. The closure and clarification which will take form (presumably) in the form off cutscenes is the end result and unique to you (because you used different ingredients than others)

It is a great analogy because :
- It's relevant to our current problem
- It makes me hungry

And, like a Phoenix, I am making this thread stand up From Ashes.

[Mria]

Trishot wrote...

The OP makes valid points, you should listen to this, guys.

Now, I sadly lack time to read though all (currently seven pages)

But I don't understand some of you people. Yes, they are going to change the ending, they said they aren't but indirectly they are. Allow me to try and explain.

Ok, so at the end we have three choices, RBG. Now when "Extended Cut" comes along it will give us closure and such based upon all our previous choices. I do not know which forms the closure and clarification will take. But I am assuming it is something along the line of cutscenes and epilogue.
This has been suggested a couple of time since the release of ME3 on these very forums.

Ok, so I'll try make an analogy here.
You should try to look at this as making a delicious pie. Where your choices are the ingredients and the ending the result. Instead of looking at the RBG as an ending. Look at it as if its the final ingredient affecting the result of the pie. The closure and clarification which will take form (presumably) in the form off cutscenes is the end result and unique to you (because you used different ingredients than others)

I agree that the OP have good points but i cant agree that the DLC will be just based in some cutscenes to explain that crap of an ending, so much more can be done in that ending, a decent final boss fight like evry game should have, i wont even care if they make a saren like fight but using illusive man instead if it is epic it would defnetly give some real sense of acomplishment when dealing with harbinger. THAT i can support and i hope some ppl might agree with me on that...give Marauder Shields some slack too would ya ?

Modifié par Mria, 06 avril 2012 - 12:38 .

[Trishot]

In which case I shall give you a piece of the Pi(e)

3.14 I said a piece, I am not going to put all decimals here. Enjoy

PS: I like your use of ingame terms From Ashes being the latest

[Trishot]

Mria wrote...

Trishot wrote...

The OP makes valid points, you should listen to this, guys.

Now, I sadly lack time to read though all (currently seven pages)

But I don't understand some of you people. Yes, they are going to change the ending, they said they aren't but indirectly they are. Allow me to try and explain.

Ok, so at the end we have three choices, RBG. Now when "Extended Cut" comes along it will give us closure and such based upon all our previous choices. I do not know which forms the closure and clarification will take. But I am assuming it is something along the line of cutscenes and epilogue.
This has been suggested a couple of time since the release of ME3 on these very forums.

Ok, so I'll try make an analogy here.
You should try to look at this as making a delicious pie. Where your choices are the ingredients and the ending the result. Instead of looking at the RBG as an ending. Look at it as if its the final ingredient affecting the result of the pie. The closure and clarification which will take form (presumably) in the form off cutscenes is the end result and unique to you (because you used different ingredients than others)

I agree that the OP have good points but i cant agree that the DLC will be just based in some cutscenes to explain that crap of an ending, so much more can be done in that ending, a decent final boss fight like evry game should have, i wont even care if they make a saren like fight but using illusive man instead if it is epic it would defnetly give some real sense of acomplishment when dealing with harbinger. THAT i can support and i hope some ppl might agree with me on that...give Marauder Shields some slack too would ya ?

Yes, I can see where you are coming from. And I agree with you, the reason I posted what I did was, given what we currently know this should be the very least they can do.
Obviously they can do much more, boss fight with Harbinger would be cool. I too would prefer to see more than what I posted. But what I posted is the minimum of what I would expect at this point. Anything less and BioWare will have disconnected itself from me, as a fan.

[Mria]

Kandon Arc wrote...

Here's my minimum list of points that need to be clarified -

1) obviously it needs to be said that destruction of MRs doesn't destroy all life - they are deactivated or disabled or something.

2) an explanation as to why the exploding Citadel doesn't lead to the destruction of Earth (and how Shepard survives on an exploding Citadel).

3) What is a synthetic? If Geth are synthetics, does that mean all AI's are as well? Or all VI's? Or Quarian suits?

4) an explanation as to what is going on with Joker running away.

5) Some explanation of how the fleets around Earth get home without Mass Relays

There are many more points I could add, but I feel if Bioware answer these, they will have solved some of the worst confusing parts of the ending.

seeing your points makes me wonder how long this cutscene will take...i think they will put more question dots in our heads then explanations...

[ScotGaymer]

Ieldra2 wrote...

a.m.p wrote...
Nobody starves to death. Okay, completely in favor of. How?

That's easy. Dextro-aminoacids shouldn't be that hard to produce, even in industrial quantities. And if you saved the quarians, they have their liveships and can supply food until the production is up.

Okay no. Just no.

You are just patently wrong. The quarians only brought their Heavy and Escort Fleets to Earth; that means the Liveships stayed at Rannoch.
Pay attention to the game.

Shepard survives destroy and is reunited with the crew. Sweet. Again, how?

Shepard is found in the wreckage of a CItadel ward (no falling from orbit, no). About the Normandy, well, that will take some fancy explaining.

How do you explain him/her being above the earth on the Citadel and then suddenly being on Earth "alive"? It was clearly Earth, and NOT part of the Citadel ward arms.

Relays being rebuilt - great. How soon? With what resources? With what knowledge?

Perhaps they'll limit that to Control, where the fate of the relays is already ambiguous. Otherwise, the knowledge shouldn't be a problem, Aethyta hinted that it's already known how. Resources is the big one for those endings where the relays are completely gone, with the energy of a star being bound up in a relay.

The relays shouldn't have been destroyed in the first place.

Destroying them made sense when you had the Dark Energy ending because the relays were contributing to the Dark Energy problem. But with the new crap ending and its theme of the cyclical nature of the universe destroying the relays does not make sense in the context of whats going on.
The only reason for it was to Torch The Franchise And Run.

So explaining that one away is going to be difficult too.

[Montana]

As long as space brat and his mega-plot-holes is gone and people aren't stranded without a way to get home, I'll be ok with it.
Ok, not happy.

I'll wait and see.
It's up to BioWare if they want to sell me any dlc/future ME stuff.

[lofte_2000]

Trishot wrote...

The OP makes valid points, you should listen to this, guys.

Now, I sadly lack time to read though all (currently seven pages)

But I don't understand some of you people. Yes, they are going to change the ending, they said they aren't but indirectly they are. Allow me to try and explain.

Ok, so at the end we have three choices, RBG. Now when "Extended Cut" comes along it will give us closure and such based upon all our previous choices. I do not know which forms the closure and clarification will take. But I am assuming it is something along the line of cutscenes and epilogue.
This has been suggested a couple of time since the release of ME3 on these very forums.

Ok, so I'll try make an analogy here.
You should try to look at this as making a delicious pie. Where your choices are the ingredients and the ending the result. Instead of looking at the RBG as an ending. Look at it as if its the final ingredient affecting the result of the pie. The closure and clarification which will take form (presumably) in the form off cutscenes is the end result and unique to you (because you used different ingredients than others)

I agree with your analogy also, that's exactly how I think of it especially after reading through Jessica's tweets yesterday.  Also her reasoning for not coming out with it and posting everything up on the forums or on the blog makes sense.

Modifié par lofte_2000, 06 avril 2012 - 12:58 .

[MattFini]

I know the extended cut isn't what everyone wanted, but I am willing to check it out.

At this point, I'm happy BioWare is doing SOMETHING. I appreciate that.

[Mria]

Trishot wrote...

Mria wrote...

Trishot wrote...

The OP makes valid points, you should listen to this, guys.

Now, I sadly lack time to read though all (currently seven pages)

But I don't understand some of you people. Yes, they are going to change the ending, they said they aren't but indirectly they are. Allow me to try and explain.

Ok, so at the end we have three choices, RBG. Now when "Extended Cut" comes along it will give us closure and such based upon all our previous choices. I do not know which forms the closure and clarification will take. But I am assuming it is something along the line of cutscenes and epilogue.
This has been suggested a couple of time since the release of ME3 on these very forums.

Ok, so I'll try make an analogy here.
You should try to look at this as making a delicious pie. Where your choices are the ingredients and the ending the result. Instead of looking at the RBG as an ending. Look at it as if its the final ingredient affecting the result of the pie. The closure and clarification which will take form (presumably) in the form off cutscenes is the end result and unique to you (because you used different ingredients than others)

I agree that the OP have good points but i cant agree that the DLC will be just based in some cutscenes to explain that crap of an ending, so much more can be done in that ending, a decent final boss fight like evry game should have, i wont even care if they make a saren like fight but using illusive man instead if it is epic it would defnetly give some real sense of acomplishment when dealing with harbinger. THAT i can support and i hope some ppl might agree with me on that...give Marauder Shields some slack too would ya ?

Yes, I can see where you are coming from. And I agree with you, the reason I posted what I did was, given what we currently know this should be the very least they can do.
Obviously they can do much more, boss fight with Harbinger would be cool. I too would prefer to see more than what I posted. But what I posted is the minimum of what I would expect at this point. Anything less and BioWare will have disconnected itself from me, as a fan.

Lets just hope their minimum is enough to satisfy alot of us cause i dont wanna see them winning VGA as best game of the year with a incomplete game 

And allow me to say one more thing...to me, the Retake Mass Effect movement is not just about demanding our rightfull endings in ME3, its also one of the best standings a whole gamer community have done in a long time and that the movement isn't just representing Mass Effect, its also showing that with the right ppl and good organization the gamer community can show those companies we can't be shutted down by some PR strategies.
Idk if the OP is the one that sent those cupcakes to bioware but that guy asked us to make a 3D Model of Marauders Shields if the community is willing to do so...i say we give one last push to see if we can get something more out of that DLC then just cutscenes and that we get that Statue and plant right in front of Bioware HQ saying right under its feet:

Marauder Shields
Retake Mass Effect:
Mission acomplished

(i know i get a bit wild with the statue but it would be awesome if that could be done or something like that)                                                        

[a.m.p]

Tony77A wrote...

As long as space brat and his mega-plot-holes is gone and people aren't stranded without a way to get home, I'll be ok with it.
Ok, not happy.

I'll wait and see.
It's up to BioWare if they want to sell me any dlc/future ME stuff.

Well, that seems to be the problem. Space brat is part of the artistic vision that they want to stick to. And with space brat stay the most prominent plot holes.

If they admit that they have to find a balance between their vision and giving intelligible answers to the audience, that means their vision makes no sense.

The best we can hope to get from the DLC is cancelling the galactic dark age.

[Corrik Ronis]

Agreed, in the very least let's keep the pitchforks and torches in the closet until we know more. Not happy yet, fine, just keep holding the line. The movement has said and done everything we can, now it is time to wait and see what kind of fruit our labors will bear.

[Vixy]

THANK YOU. People are jumping to conclusions and throwing tantrums without THINKING. Agree with the OP, thank you for being logical.

[Mria]

Mria wrote...

Trishot wrote...

Mria wrote...

Trishot wrote...

The OP makes valid points, you should listen to this, guys.

Now, I sadly lack time to read though all (currently seven pages)

But I don't understand some of you people. Yes, they are going to change the ending, they said they aren't but indirectly they are. Allow me to try and explain.

Ok, so at the end we have three choices, RBG. Now when "Extended Cut" comes along it will give us closure and such based upon all our previous choices. I do not know which forms the closure and clarification will take. But I am assuming it is something along the line of cutscenes and epilogue.
This has been suggested a couple of time since the release of ME3 on these very forums.

Ok, so I'll try make an analogy here.
You should try to look at this as making a delicious pie. Where your choices are the ingredients and the ending the result. Instead of looking at the RBG as an ending. Look at it as if its the final ingredient affecting the result of the pie. The closure and clarification which will take form (presumably) in the form off cutscenes is the end result and unique to you (because you used different ingredients than others)

I agree that the OP have good points but i cant agree that the DLC will be just based in some cutscenes to explain that crap of an ending, so much more can be done in that ending, a decent final boss fight like evry game should have, i wont even care if they make a saren like fight but using illusive man instead if it is epic it would defnetly give some real sense of acomplishment when dealing with harbinger. THAT i can support and i hope some ppl might agree with me on that...give Marauder Shields some slack too would ya ?

Yes, I can see where you are coming from. And I agree with you, the reason I posted what I did was, given what we currently know this should be the very least they can do.
Obviously they can do much more, boss fight with Harbinger would be cool. I too would prefer to see more than what I posted. But what I posted is the minimum of what I would expect at this point. Anything less and BioWare will have disconnected itself from me, as a fan.

Lets just hope their minimum is enough to satisfy alot of us cause i dont wanna see them winning VGA as best game of the year with a incomplete game 

And allow me to say one more thing...to me, the Retake Mass Effect movement is not just about demanding our rightfull endings in ME3, its also one of the best standings a whole gamer community has ever done in some time and that the movement isn't just representing Mass Effect, its also showing that with the right ppl and good organization the gamer community can show those companies we can't be shutted down by some PR strategies.
Idk if the OP is the one that sent those cupcakes to bioware but that guy asked us to make a 3D Model of Marauders Shields if the community is willing to do so...i say we give one last push to see if we can get something more out of that DLC then just cutscenes and that we get that Statue done and plant it right in front of Bioware HQ saying right under its feet:

Marauder Shields
Retake Mass Effect:
Mission acomplished

[Mria]

Corrik Ronis wrote...

Agreed, in the very least let's keep the pitchforks and torches in the closet until we know more. Not happy yet, fine, just keep holding the line. The movement has said and done everything we can, now it is time to wait and see what kind of fruit our labors will bear.

lets just  make sure we dont froget them in there cause i got alot more gas and to throw at this fire if we dont get what we are hoping for

[lofte_2000]

Mria wrote...

Trishot wrote...

Mria wrote...

Trishot wrote...

The OP makes valid points, you should listen to this, guys.

Now, I sadly lack time to read though all (currently seven pages)

But I don't understand some of you people. Yes, they are going to change the ending, they said they aren't but indirectly they are. Allow me to try and explain.

Ok, so at the end we have three choices, RBG. Now when "Extended Cut" comes along it will give us closure and such based upon all our previous choices. I do not know which forms the closure and clarification will take. But I am assuming it is something along the line of cutscenes and epilogue.
This has been suggested a couple of time since the release of ME3 on these very forums.

Ok, so I'll try make an analogy here.
You should try to look at this as making a delicious pie. Where your choices are the ingredients and the ending the result. Instead of looking at the RBG as an ending. Look at it as if its the final ingredient affecting the result of the pie. The closure and clarification which will take form (presumably) in the form off cutscenes is the end result and unique to you (because you used different ingredients than others)

I agree that the OP have good points but i cant agree that the DLC will be just based in some cutscenes to explain that crap of an ending, so much more can be done in that ending, a decent final boss fight like evry game should have, i wont even care if they make a saren like fight but using illusive man instead if it is epic it would defnetly give some real sense of acomplishment when dealing with harbinger. THAT i can support and i hope some ppl might agree with me on that...give Marauder Shields some slack too would ya ?

Yes, I can see where you are coming from. And I agree with you, the reason I posted what I did was, given what we currently know this should be the very least they can do.
Obviously they can do much more, boss fight with Harbinger would be cool. I too would prefer to see more than what I posted. But what I posted is the minimum of what I would expect at this point. Anything less and BioWare will have disconnected itself from me, as a fan.

Lets just hope their minimum is enough to satisfy alot of us cause i dont wanna see them winning VGA as best game of the year with a incomplete game 

And allow me to say one more thing...to me, the Retake Mass Effect movement is not just about demanding our rightfull endings in ME3, its also one of the best standings a whole gamer community have done in a long time and that the movement isn't just representing Mass Effect, its also showing that with the right ppl and good organization the gamer community can show those companies we can't be shutted down by some PR strategies.
Idk if the OP is the one that sent those cupcakes to bioware but that guy asked us to make a 3D Model of Marauders Shields if the community is willing to do so...i say we give one last push to see if we can get something more out of that DLC then just cutscenes and that we get that Statue and plant right in front of Bioware HQ saying right under its feet:

Marauder Shields
Retake Mass Effect:
Mission acomplished

(i know i get a bit wild with the statue but it would be awesome if that could be done or something like that)                                                        

Too true Mria, not sure about the statue but in that this is an achievement not just for Mass Effect and this gaming community but in a wider field - It shows what can be done.