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[ardias89]

I was thinking about making a thread like this one (meaning i agree with you). We should turn this into something positive because indeed summer i still some time away so there might be time to make things right for them... will take time to write down what i think can be improved after i am done with work

[circe]

I think a lot of this negative reaction to the "Extended Cut" boils down to a lack of trust. A lot of us were burned pretty bad by not only this ending but by how Bioware handled it up to this point. I, for one, am not sure I trust the devs to fix this properly short of a complete overhaul of the ending (which apparently is not happening). That being said, I will try to hope for the best.

[moonlightwolf]

They stated very clearly no new endings this does mean no change. It means that starchild will still take control of shepherd and we will still be forced to accept illogical logic and take a set of decisions that have no narrative coherence with the rest of the story. We can hope for the things your suggesting, that somehow it'll all be tied up nicely but that seems very unlikely with star child still around.

[Haley]

I can see both sides, but I do think OP has a point. Why not give Bioware a chance? The very fact that they think it's possible to 'expand and clarify' the ending means maybe it's not as bad as it seems--maybe they meant to get something across with the endings that didn't come through due to rushed development. If not, maybe they'll work on 'clarifying the ending' for a while, realize it's impossible, and then actually fix it.

[Thornquist]

This is my preferred list:

1. Show more of the forces we gathered trough the ENTIRE trilogy.

I want to see the Rachni Queen killing hundreds of husks. I want Wrex & Grunt to mow down Banshees, I want the mercenaries from Omega to enter the space battle, etc.
I want all the war assets I gather to be shown, given proper screen time - Also all my former squad-mates should
be given a cameo, showing them in battle, someone maybe dies, etc.

2. I want a better epilogue.

Show us everyone who survived, the more war-assets you gather, the more people should be shown rebuilding, Krogans, Asari, Turians, Rachni, you name it. I want to see what happened to my squad-mates.

3. Happy ending?

The "destroy"-ending showed Shepard breathing. If that was the intent of Bioware, I want to have my happy ending. I want to show him reunited with his squad. You dont have to make it all "sunshine & bunnies", but if he lives, I want to know what happened to him.

Also if Shepard dies, I want to see people's reaction to it. My shepard had a major influence on many people's lives - I want to see them deal with the fact that he is dead.

4. Explain the plot-holes.

Take your time to explain why Joker ran away, how the Relays can synthesise everything, etc.Try to explain the biggest questions, while leaving something for "speculation".

Modifié par Thornquist, 06 avril 2012 - 01:19 .

[CrazyRah]

circe wrote...

I think a lot of this negative reaction to the "Extended Cut" boils down to a lack of trust. A lot of us were burned pretty bad by not only this ending but by how Bioware handled it up to this point. I, for one, am not sure I trust the devs to fix this properly short of a complete overhaul of the ending (which apparently is not happening). That being said, I will try to hope for the best.

This is exactly how i feel, i just feel that i can't trust the devs to fix this properly 

[lofte_2000]

Thornquist wrote...

This is my preferred list:

1. Show more of the forces we gathered trough the ENTIRE trilogy.

I want to see the Rachni Queen killing hundreds of husks. I want Wrex & Grunt to mow down Banshees, I want the mercenaries from Omega to enter the space battle, etc.
I want all the war assets I gather to be shown, given proper screen time - Also all my former squad-mates should
be given a cameo, showing them in battle, someone maybe dies, etc.

2. I want a better epilogue.

Show us everyone who survived, the more war-assets you gather, the more people should be shown rebuilding, Krogans, Asari, Turians, Rachni, you name it. I want to see what happened to my squad-mates.

3. Happy ending?

The "destroy"-ending showed Shepard breathing. If that was the intent of Bioware, I want to have my happy ending. I want to show him reunited with his squad. You dont have to make it all "sunshine & bunnies", but if he lives, I want to know what happened to him.

Also if Shepard dies, I want to see people's reaction to it. My shepard had a major influence on many people's lives - I want to see them deal with the fact that he is dead.

4. Explain the plot-holes.

Take your time to explain why Joker ran away, how the Relays can synthesise everything, etc.Try to explain the biggest questions, while leaving something for "speculation".

These were also my biggest problems with the ending, just knowing this much would make a big difference on the view of the ending.

[webhead921]

Thaks OP, 

i 100% agree.  Why not wait and see?  The DLC is free.  If you don't like it, then take your money elsewhere in the future.  

The negativity I saw on this forum yesterday was toxic and disgusting

[lofte_2000]

webhead921 wrote...

The negativity I saw on this forum yesterday was toxic and disgusting

Glad I missed that

Modifié par lofte_2000, 06 avril 2012 - 01:27 .

[RoninTX]

webhead921 wrote...

Thaks OP, 

i 100% agree.  Why not wait and see?  The DLC is free.  If you don't like it, then take your money elsewhere in the future.  

The negativity I saw on this forum yesterday was toxic and disgusting

My problem is that it takes up to the summer to makes the changes.
In those 4,5 months time I am sure they will try get away with it, while also trying to force paid DLC down our throat.
since that was already in the pipeline.

What I want to see bioware do is apologize about the bad ending and release NOTHING new for ME series till they published the "extended cut".

I will am willing to take any bet that the release of that free DLC will be somewhere at the end of the year because they had to little time to finish it...

Modifié par RoninTX, 06 avril 2012 - 01:31 .

[lofte_2000]

RoninTX wrote...

webhead921 wrote...

Thaks OP, 

i 100% agree.  Why not wait and see?  The DLC is free.  If you don't like it, then take your money elsewhere in the future.  

The negativity I saw on this forum yesterday was toxic and disgusting

My problem is that it takes up to the summer to makes the changes.
In those 4,5 months time I am sure they will try get away with it, while also trying to force paid DLC down our throat.
since that was already in the pipeline.

What I want to see bioware do is apologize about the bad ending and release NOTHING new for ME series till they published the "extended cut".

I will am willing to take any bet that the release of that free DLC will be somewhere at the end of the year because they had to little time to finish it...

You don't have to purchase the paid DLC if that is what happens until the Extended Cut is released.

[Thorn Harvestar]

Thornquist wrote...

3. Happy ending?

The "destroy"-ending showed Shepard breathing. If that was the intent of Bioware, I want to have my happy ending. I want to show him reunited with his squad. You dont have to make it all "sunshine & bunnies", but if he lives, I want to know what happened to him.

Also if Shepard dies, I want to see people's reaction to it. My shepard had a major influence on many people's lives - I want to see them deal with the fact that he is dead.

THIS please (bolded)

[webhead921]

Thorn Harvestar wrote...

Thornquist wrote...

3. Happy ending?

The "destroy"-ending showed Shepard breathing. If that was the intent of Bioware, I want to have my happy ending. I want to show him reunited with his squad. You dont have to make it all "sunshine & bunnies", but if he lives, I want to know what happened to him.

Also if Shepard dies, I want to see people's reaction to it. My shepard had a major influence on many people's lives - I want to see them deal with the fact that he is dead.

THIS please (bolded)

This would be nice if it was well done.

[Noelemahc]

circe wrote...

I think a lot of this negative reaction to the "Extended Cut" boils down to a lack of trust. A lot of us were burned pretty bad by not only this ending but by how Bioware handled it up to this point. I, for one, am not sure I trust the devs to fix this properly short of a complete overhaul of the ending (which apparently is not happening). That being said, I will try to hope for the best.

Pretty much the same here. They denied any wrongness of ending from day one, and the phrasing on the EC DLC announcements, both the formal legalese of the press-release and the semi-informal kowtow of the blog/forum announcement, yells "this is for all of you poor saps that failed to see the genius of our ending" at the top of its voice.

It's like trying to placate a crying baby with candy when it actually needs its diaper changed because the excrement is overflowing, if you'll forgive the crude metaphor.

(Don't get me wrong, I do want me some closure, I'm just afraid that they're still handling the situation improperly, even if they did start to make steps in the correct direction, and I dread the fact that whatever changes they introduce, may not address all the myriad plotholes surrounding everything that happens on the Citadel)

Modifié par Noelemahc, 06 avril 2012 - 01:58 .

[SamJH90]

I'm with the OP here. An entirely new ending was always unrealistic and this has the potential to be a decent middle ground. If BW tie up the loose ends and factor in my own choices & EMS etc. then I'll be sufficiently satisfied. Will Tali get to spend the rest of her days with Shepard or will she be mourning at his memorial instead? Just clearing up little things like that is enough for me.

Some of the vitriol that followed immediately after yesterday's announcement was depressing. So much so that I got off the PC and socialised yesterday to avoid getting bummed out. I can understand why though, a lot of people feel pretty betrayed by BW and that trust can take a while to come back.

I'm going to reserve judgement til the Summer. It appears that they're going to take a few months to maybe get it right. If it gives me what I need (Thornquist's list being mainly that) then I'll be happy. If it just makes the ending even more confused, then I'll be annoyed.

No point in trashing the DLC now before it's even come out though. We're just setting ourselves up to be disappointed otherwise.

[zarnk567]

I would love too............. However the past two years do not inspire confidence in Bioware for me...... In fact I have no confidence in Bioware anymore.

[p__q]

There announcement is pretty clear for the most part and I'l admit I'm not even sure how I feel about it yet but I really want to ask does anyone know whether it is likely to affect the actual ending mission's problems (the lack of any of the allies you've gathered actually appearing to help you or make any difference at all) or is it all post citadel stuff?

[Persephone]

DEAD ON, OP!

The EC HAS potential.

And Bioware saying that the ending won't be changed simply means that nothing already in vanilla ME3 will be SCRAPPED. This leaves the following options:

Additional dialogue, depending on choices & war assets

Additional cinematics, depending on choices & war assets

A whole BATCH of epilogues consisting of cinematics, music & text, depending on choices & war assets

IT could be confirmed using the options above.

I understand people being wary and suspicious. But we MUST overcome this in order to pool our energies together to make sure Bioware puts ALL THEY HAVE GOT (Which is LOADS!) into this DLC.

Support them in this. If they fail, they will reap a BITTER harvest. And I think they know this.

[a.m.p]

p__q wrote...

There announcement is pretty clear for the most part and I'l admit I'm not even sure how I feel about it yet but I really want to ask does anyone know whether it is likely to affect the actual ending mission's problems (the lack of any of the allies you've gathered actually appearing to help you or make any difference at all) or is it all post citadel stuff?

Not as far as I understand it. They say it'll be cinematics and cutscenes. An extended epilogue, most likely.
The best we can hope for before the final choice is some more dialogue for the starkid that would clarify the mess with the reaper motives. I don't really see a way how that can be done without completely rewriting most of the existing dialogue, but, hey, I'm no writer.
And I personaly would feel better if Shepard got to argue with the damn thing at least for a bit. And if a halfway believeable explanation as to why she has to choose one of the rgb options was given.

[sergeym1990]

From what they said (no new endings in any DLC, only clarifing current endings) i am exremely sceptical of EC. It looks like BioWare has not really listened to us and does not have any plans to do so.

[garf]

realpokerjedi wrote...

This also could be Phantom Menace syndrome.
I hated it at the time, because it wasn't what I wanted it to be.
In time I learned to accept it was George Lucas's vision and who the hell am to think he shouldn't have complete freedom to do what he wants?
With HIS creation.
In fact the prequels don't connect to the original Trilogy at times, well at all.
I'm even to the point where I like Episode I.
I guess the main anger here is directed at the fact, the Mass Effect series was supposed to be your own personal movie.
With your own choices and those choices made your ending.
I'd advise, accepting everything as is (and what they do in the future) or walk away and find a fictional universe you can feel invested in again.
You can either accept it or you can't, using your energy to fight the Bioware machine, beyond voting with you wallet, is a huge waste of time and energy.
If your that upset and disappointed (trust me I think they endings sucked too) bury the franchise, get over the disappointment and move on.
Being a series you are so emotionally attached to, I understand it's hard to accept the fact it's ruined and left to rot in trash.
However there are other games out there and developers. If they don't interest you, there are other hobbies.

Allready there, see my sig.

[D_Dude1210]

It's amazing how easily Bioware can crush some ppl's resolve via a singlr PR move (where the only real new information theynoffered was to given the "Clarification" DLC for free). Quite sad really.

What's even sadder is the retake FB page buying into their BS. The line is broken, it seems.

Touche EA PR team. Check and Mate.

[asmodic zion]

Sc2mashimaro wrote...

Op is full of win. Listen to this, guys! Stop playing the cynical victim and start seeing the opportunity here. Think of "clarifying and giving closure" like remodeling a house. It is still a remodel even if one wall is all you keep. Have a little faith, because exactly zero people would care if Bioware had written garbage for the rest of three games. They are good writers who messed up one ten minute scene (that happened to be the capstone of the work). Based on past performance, it would be stupid to bet against them. Take a deep breath and give the best feedback you can to help them get it right. I am excited to see what they will do.

Also, for the "i think they rushed it" crowd, this is a good chance for them to "un-rush" the ending. Let them know what parts are bugging you and give them a chance to make it right.

If people on BSN had any sense they would be celebrating right now. So, with that, I am out for the night.

damn right OP full of WIN . .everyone should be dancing and smiling right now and discussing stuff that could actually be helpfull rather than getting all defensive and acting a fair bit melodramatic . . . chin up people this is good  . . .

[macrocarl]

Yeah we really just need to wait and see. I'm betting on it being awesome. I know being negative is all the rage, but I feel so damn good! OH YEAH!

[D_Dude1210]

Exaclty what was said by bioware (and yes, I read the whole thing) that makes you think they're doing anything that they've planned from the beginning. What makes you think Bioware is planning anything other than stalling for time (to let the whole fiasco die down some more) and knocking the winds off the protesters sails to make their PAX event run smoother. Read between the lines and check the timing ppl!!!