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[LivingHitokiri]

Klokos wrote...

therussianviking wrote...

Help me out. what point are you trying to make? My point was how not moving from a defensive positions is not only a legitimate strategy, but it has also decided the fate of entire wars. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

 Both the events  I have mentioned helped toward the victory, it's mostly that most of the time holding defensive positions result in huge sacrifices (even if France did declare war on Germany they were mostly defensive in their tactics) , also Thermopylae is over-rated due to Miller's work among other.

How a superb defensive tactict is overated , regardless of the movie or not. it is a major fact that Persians lost huge army ,wasted tons of time, gave Greeks time to prepare which resulted key point for the overall war. Hell if Efialtis didnt betray them the Greeks at thermopylae  probably would hold even longer and who knows if Persians would manage to drive them back before reincofrcements . The battle and tacticts of Thermopylae was well known before a Holywood movie popped up, get your facts straight.

Modifié par LivingHitokiri, 06 avril 2012 - 12:49 .

[golyoscsapagy]

Don't know about that. I'm actually fine if the infil keeps shooting and manages aggro properly (e.g. not drawing them on us and then hightailing out of there with cloak on). It's not like I don't have a space which I can press near an objective.

My presonal grief with BW users is their apparent colour blindness. While I actually saw only a few infils not doing objectives (when the objective spawns right beside them, but they rather wait for someone else to run there through a whole map) a lot of them however insists on shooting reaved targets. I know it's so fancy and cute with that blue outline, but BE>>BW any time of the day. So please, shoot something else.

But again, it's nothing a good kick between matches can't solve, so it's okay.

[Igipopp]

LivingHitokiri wrote...

Klokos wrote...

therussianviking wrote...

Help me out. what point are you trying to make? My point was how not moving from a defensive positions is not only a legitimate strategy, but it has also decided the fate of entire wars. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

 Both the events  I have mentioned helped toward the victory, it's mostly that most of the time holding defensive positions result in huge sacrifices (even if France did declare war on Germany they were mostly defensive in their tactics) , also Thermopylae is over-rated due to Miller's work among other.

How a superb defensive tactict is overated , regardless of the movie or not. it is a major fact that Persians lost huge army ,wasted tons of time, gave Greeks time to prepare which resulted key point for the overall war. Hell if Efialtis didnt betray them the Greeks at thermopylae  probably would hold even longer and who knows if Persians would manage to drive them back before reincofrcements . The battle and tacticts of Thermopylae was well known before a Holywood movie popped up, get your facts straight.

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[Mandalore313]

Why do most people that use the forums do so, so that they can whine about stuff that personally happened to them?

[brummbrumm]

Phattee Buttz wrote...

Ok, if you get a person with a Black Widow, then your team effectively consists of three people and a cowardly stationary cannon. They'll find a spot that's near ammo, get into cover and then they will just STAY THERE THE WHOLE DAMN GAME. If you have to activate terminals or hunt down enemy personnel, well you better hope you and the other two guys can take care of it because Black Widow guy ain't gonna do squat about it.

absolutely. those damn black widow leechers.

Thats the reason why most people play solo on gold, because they could have done the job themselves and do not have to cope with that kind of behaviour.

[Echo Six Grimez]

C.M Liu wrote...

Phattee Buttz wrote...

Ok, if you get a person with a Black Widow, then your team effectively consists of three people and a cowardly stationary cannon. They'll find a spot that's near ammo, get into cover and then they will just STAY THERE THE WHOLE DAMN GAME. If you have to activate terminals or hunt down enemy personnel, well you better hope you and the other two guys can take care of it because Black Widow guy ain't gonna do squat about it.

agree, Bioware please delete this sniper rifle.

What? Remove a weapon completely simply because some peoples preference is to play their own game however they want?

Wow has it really come to this

Not everyone plays this class the same way as OP described, it's all about luck trying to find those 'perfect' lobbies filled with strong players.

Or theres the other option which is obviously - Play with friends.

[therussianviking]

Klokos wrote...

therussianviking wrote...

Help me out. what point are you trying to make? My point was how not moving from a defensive positions is not only a legitimate strategy, but it has also decided the fate of entire wars. Sorry if that wasn't clear.

 Both the events  I have mentioned helped toward the victory, it's mostly that most of the time holding defensive positions result in huge sacrifices (even if France did declare war on Germany they were mostly defensive in their tactics) , also Thermopylae is over-rated due to Miller's work among other.

Ok thanks. But Thermopylae was not over-rated. If the Persians had taken Greece, they would have expanded west. That means Europe. And at that time, Europe wouldn't have been able to stop the Persians. The entire course of history would have been changed due to Persian influence. We all know what the Mongols did. Imagine that kind of damage but without Europe able to stop them.

[Trickshavv]

I *could* go for those objectives but I prefer to pad my kill count. It makes me feel warm and fuzzy when I triple the next highest score.

Yes, I be trollin.

[Buggz]

I had two of these guys in a public gold on reactor. One looking into the reactor one looking down the corridor. Easiest gold match I have played.

[tvih]

In part because of the behavior the OP described, I managed the highest score of the match - with a reasonable margin - with a level 1 Vanguard, because the level 20 infiltrator with Black Widow was busy hiding most of the time.

[Methanoid666]

well tbh, its a group game, as long as objectives are done by soneone and stuffs getting killed its all good, theres nothing to say that infiltrators MUST be the ones capping objectives, its just 1 of those things taken for granted.

Its like being on a team with 2 vanguards, how often do you see them sitting in on a hack objective because all the ones ive seen "take for granted" that hacking is done by anyone except them and their jobs only to fly all around the map killing stuff.

Again no1 "has" a set job, everything is open to all, infiltrators just have a slightly easier time of it.

Also with hunting objectives, as long as you dont again have players running far away from the rest of the group then the enemy spawn patterns are pretty uniform and everything will gravitate towards you anyways, it only goes terribly wrong when you have 4 ppl split over 2-3 quarters of the map and everything spawns all over the place that things go wrong.

Beyond that anyone can do anythign as long as the jobs are done and everythings getting killed, then does it matter who does what.

[GodlessPaladin]

Phattee Buttz wrote...

Ok, if you get a person with a Black Widow, then your team effectively consists of three people and a cowardly stationary cannon. They'll find a spot that's near ammo, get into cover and then they will just STAY THERE THE WHOLE DAMN GAME. If you have to activate terminals or hunt down enemy personnel, well you better hope you and the other two guys can take care of it because Black Widow guy ain't gonna do squat about it.

...So I use a Black Widow on my infiltrator, and in pubs I move around all the time (if there's not a target to kill already in my field of vision, I'm sprinting around looking for targets to kill), easily pull off quick scopes at shotgun range and don't feel too much of a need for cover thanks to tactical cloak, energy drain (which staggers and recharges shields), and raw offensive power, and just came from a gold game where I got 170,000 points (because in pubs allies usually don't really DO much of anything within anything approaching a reasonable amount of time).  I also got 7 device objectives, 4 targets, and a gold revive medal in said game, with a high time bonus on each objective.

So yeah, you're full of crap.  Try finding a decent sniper to play with? 

I'm tired of seeing threads about people blaming snipers, drell, vanguards, or whatever for being bad.  There's nothing wrong with those things (they're all high tier choices and have a place on optimal team configurations).  There's something wrong with the overpopulation of brain-dead players who can't work as a team to save their life... as any class.

Modifié par GodlessPaladin, 06 avril 2012 - 02:39 .

[DarkSNIPE-TH]

It is not wrong with the Black Widow users, It wrong with the one you play with....

[Noelemahc]

Vanilla Widow Infiltrator here. I'm sorry for my brethren, I tend to have almost as much melee kills as I have sniper kills because I do the objectives (and since the Vanilla Widow takes too long to reload to be effectively used in CQB, grenades and melee it is! although I should have you know, it makes an excellent shotgun because of the penetration capability), because I aggro and distract Banshees and Brutes (and like to coup-de-grace a little too much, I admit), and because I have to bail out those krogan suicide chargers from under a pile of geth almost every match I play with krogan. In fact, playing decoy for Banshees has become something of a sport for any class I play. Except Soldiers. They die too easily, and I cannot, for the life of me, understand WHY.

Does that mean I should disrespect them? Nope, I've had awesome matches with krogan teammates that knew what they were doing, I do tend to switch from my Infiltrator if there's another one in the lobby, though. As much as because I'm interested in learning from others as that if I see someone with a Widow V or a Mantis X, I prefer to let them do their thing, keep my Widow III out of it.

(And I only hog ammo boxes if they're within the hacking or LZ range, otherwise I tend to skirt them while going from point A to point B -- remember, Infiltrators, cloaked heavy melee is a wonderful weapon!)

Modifié par Noelemahc, 06 avril 2012 - 02:37 .

[jimmyw404]

Phattee Buttz wrote...

Ok, if you get a person with a Black Widow, then your team effectively consists of three people and a cowardly stationary cannon. They'll find a spot that's near ammo, get into cover and then they will just STAY THERE THE WHOLE DAMN GAME. If you have to activate terminals or hunt down enemy personnel, well you better hope you and the other two guys can take care of it because Black Widow guy ain't gonna do squat about it.

As an infiltrator it always makes me rage if I see infiltrators not capping objectives or being mobile, especially if I'm on my rarely played alts. I don't know why you'd call out BW users though lol

[epicalus]

i can see where this whole topic came from.
it comes from the random unlock of he black widow.
most people i've seen with a black widow are people who can't play with it.
they just see it as the most powerfull weapon they luckaly got.
i've also noticed how infiltrators with a black widow tend to bunker down .
but they also tend to clear the room so that the rest of us can do what we do best.
having a stationary cannon isn't all bad .

i'm an infiltrator starting with a mantis and a scoped predator.
now i'm an infiltrator with a widow and the m5 pistol.
i'm also not a stationary cannon all the time . but i will be if the situation calls for it .
i can see where your all coming from but keep in mind that an infiltrators lvling goes for weapon damage and cloaking/cloaking damage.
i try to focus on being there for my team , but i always have to fight the temptation to just kill everything i can.
my tactics are different all the time . from jumping cover to cover.
to bunkering down and taking out the heavies.
to covering my teammates , killing that one enemy that they didn't see.
running in to revive teammate , capping objectives .
all of this is based on awareness. i agree sniper rifles with more then 1 shot per clip .
tend to dim awereness completely . i've noticed this myself when i tried out the viper .
wich is why i stick to either the mantis or the m-98 widow.
becausse every shot forces me to reload giving me time to see whats going on .
look at the whole area infrond of me . look to my left and right even behind me .

personally i don't have the black widow yet.
i wanna test that gun so bad , to see how it would affect my gameplay.
cos with the m-98 widow it feels like the weight of the team is on my shoulders should i miss my target just ones and see my team die during a reload.

but yea , you've all made valid points. but please don't condemn the rest of us .
its like saying oh yea saren is evil , so all the spectres are evil .

[Wesus]

Doesnt depend on THE weapon depends on THE player u fool

[Mystical_Gaming]

I'm a Quarian Infiltrator with a BW and I don't stay stationary.

Need a revive? I'm there.

Need an objective done? I've already completed it =)

Need some flanking support on enemies to ease off some pressure? It's already done.

I wish I had my QI BW gameplay on youtube uploaded but it won't be there for awhile but I can assure I don't sit in one spot. I just can't do that in any multiplayer game. Unless I need to bunker down to get shields back or wait for an unsuspecting enemy I am always on the move adapting to the current flow of the team and incoming enemies.

The most I sit in one spot is after a wave and as we are waiting for the next wave to begin lol

[Highlord Heian]

In this thread, we see somebody who is confused by the concept of snipers.

[brian_breed]

Chrumpek wrote...
tech burstererer...rers.

Day made.

[Buddha840]

I'm a BW Infiltrator....I always go for the four points, I always rez, and I never camp the ammo crate. I have low ammo, but it's not like an ammo crate is ever that far away.

[PillarBiter]

Grimy Bunyip wrote...

cool story bro

I was going to write a story about how I use BW and dont do anythign like the OP says, but this guy i quoted pretty much said it all.

[Kamuchi]

Forget the infiltrators, the AA are getting dumber by the minute

Several silver games i see an AA while i`m on my AJ and think "WooHoo!"
The game starts and i paint the entire damn map blue, and nothing happens...
No, our dumb**** bronze idiot AA`s with their carnifex go to stasis everything for an headshot instead warp/throw galore!

W T F

I just quit a silver game as it happend yet again wich got me killed twice cause they turn around, run away and stasis something 50 meters away instead of helping kill a dozen mobs at once

I`m starting to actually hate AA`s more then vanguards, atleast you know that reaving half the map they will detonate "something"...

Modifié par Kamuchi, 15 avril 2012 - 03:37 .

[phil2512]

Got a black widow only used it once prefer my raptor the scope less powerful perfect for me.

[Siegdrifa]

Wesus wrote...

Doesnt depend on THE weapon depends on THE player u fool

Agree but not at 100 %
I love to play with my quarian infiltrator, with the mantis IX, i could use tactical cloak every shot, i could move from spot to spot undetected to find the best place to shoot ennemy, since i got the BW, it's a little longer, enough to kill the pace i had, force me to delay a little.

But anyway, defensive spot change from ennemy spawn place, and what was the best spot for X wave can be the worst spot for Y wave, adapting to that is mandatory for nearly all class in my opinion.