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[Shelbyman2]

Here's what I think about the announcement
http://retakeme3supp...compromise.html
How do you guys feel?
I want to know how people feel from both sides of the fence and if you think this is a true compromise.

[Moonshadow_Dark]

You wasted your time.

They will not listen. They will not be civil. They will rage and moan and cry. They had no idea how to hold the line, they had no idea what the goal was, you guys are just a giant mess.

Enjoy the chaos.

[Peregrin25]

Nothing will ever change. I took the announcement and am being very pessimistic about it. I am going to expect it to fail horribly. That way if it is decently mind blowing, I won't go into it expecting to be disappointed.

[PaddlePop]

BiowarEA does not give a damn! They took my money, while promising me one thing and delivering a pile of steaming ****. They will not see another cent from me.

[RoninTX]

They are keeping the current ending so unless they manage to explain EXACTLY what they are "clarifying" in detail I will just wash my hands of Bioware.

[Endersoldier]

I think what they are doing is fine. I may end up being disappointed, but at least they are trying. The truth is that the ending is very convoluted on top of missing the mark somewhat, so it might be impossibly hard for them to completely fix it, but I am fine with that. It was closure that I felt was needed, and if they pull through on that promise, then I will happy.

I will admit: when it comes to telling stories I do not mind plot holes that much, especially in a complex story, because all stories have plot holes if you look for them. If I am listening to/watching/playing a story for entertainment's sake, then I prefer not to ask questions unless they are too obvious, and instead I focus on what is really important/significant. ME3's ending got to the point where I had to ask a few, which is not a good sign, but I think they could solve it with clarification. At least they are trying to make amends in some form, and I am happy that they will be taking their time.

[Pappi]

the same as everyone elses should be, undecided until I see!

(I'm a poet and I don't know it!)

[devSin]

I don't believe it's a compromise, not in the sense you mean. I do believe that it is BioWare responding to feedback. Is their response appropriate or sufficient? That's up to each individual to judge.

For my part, the announcement doesn't really change anything. There are still no details about what exactly BioWare is going to provide, so there's no real way to judge whether the extended cut is going to be satisfactory. I will not purchase any EA/BioWare or franchise-related product until the DLC is released and can be reviewed; this action will be reevaluated at that time.

As far as "wait and see", I don't believe that is the correct approach. The extended cut is BioWare's response to the ending issues. It will be the only response, and once it is released, they will be done. This issue will not be revisited.

With that in mind, I think it's essential that you continue to vocalize your specific criticisms. If you have concerns with the adequacy of BioWare's response, or if there are things you don't feel you can be satisfied without, this is your only chance to express them in a way that might effect positive change on the content that is being created. Once the extended cut is released, it is final, and you will no longer have any opportunity to advocate for the changes you think are essential to resolving your issues with the ME3 ending.

Be civil, and be reasonable. But don't be silent.

Modifié par devSin, 06 avril 2012 - 09:49 .

[Jack Mackerel]

Honestly, as one of the few who didn't throw their console out of the window in a fit of angered nerd rage (but was still rather disappointed in the ending) and a veteran of Fallout 3's less than stellar original ending, I'm just glad, even a bit more, since it's free. I'd be happier if it was Broken Steel-styled and added more gameplay to the ending.

Hell, I'll be happy if it's a lame New Vegas-styled slideshow with simple pictures and narration detailing what happened to our heroes.

[Drone223]

I'll make my judgement untill I have seen the DLC for myself, but imo its better than nothing

[PaddlePop]

Endersoldier wrote...

I think what they are doing is fine. I may end up being disappointed, but at least they are trying. The truth is that the ending is very convoluted on top of missing the mark somewhat, so it might be impossibly hard for them to completely fix it, but I am fine with that. It was closure that I felt was needed, and if they pull through on that promise, then I will happy.

I will admit: when it comes to telling stories I do not mind plot holes that much, especially in a complex story, because all stories have plot holes if you look for them. If I am listening to/watching/playing a story for entertainment's sake, then I prefer not to ask questions unless they are too obvious, and instead I focus on what is really important/significant. ME3's ending got to the point where I had to ask a few, which is not a good sign, but I think they could solve it with clarification. At least they are trying to make amends in some form, and I am happy that they will be taking their time.

Lol they're not even trying... this is effectively a big FU to games.

[Endersoldier]

PaddlePop wrote...

Endersoldier wrote...

I think what they are doing is fine. I may end up being disappointed, but at least they are trying. The truth is that the ending is very convoluted on top of missing the mark somewhat, so it might be impossibly hard for them to completely fix it, but I am fine with that. It was closure that I felt was needed, and if they pull through on that promise, then I will happy.

I will admit: when it comes to telling stories I do not mind plot holes that much, especially in a complex story, because all stories have plot holes if you look for them. If I am listening to/watching/playing a story for entertainment's sake, then I prefer not to ask questions unless they are too obvious, and instead I focus on what is really important/significant. ME3's ending got to the point where I had to ask a few, which is not a good sign, but I think they could solve it with clarification. At least they are trying to make amends in some form, and I am happy that they will be taking their time.

Lol they're not even trying... this is effectively a big FU to games.

They are telling games to **** off?  Wow, I hope those games don't get their feelings hurt, I did not know they had any until now. 

Seriously, if you are that pessimistic then why even bother post here at that point?  Just to rage?  Not saying you do not have the right to, but if I felt that strongly about this then I would stay away from EA and Bioware related stuff period, including the forums.

[MisterW]

My view can be summed up in two words, extreme dissapointment. In my naivety I belived bioware when they said they were listening to their fans, clearly this was not the case :/

[SirDoctorofTARDIS]

Waiting for more details before deciding.

[Endersoldier]

MisterW wrote...

My view can be summed up in two words, extreme dissapointment. In my naivety I belived bioware when they said they were listening to their fans, clearly this was not the case :/

Well, they did listen to the fans that wanted closure, at least it looks like they did.  That is all some of us wanted.

[AlienSpaceBats]

Reserving judgement until I see the extended cut.

[MisterW]

Endersoldier wrote...

MisterW wrote...

My view can be summed up in two words, extreme dissapointment. In my naivety I belived bioware when they said they were listening to their fans, clearly this was not the case :/

Well, they did listen to the fans that wanted closure, at least it looks like they did.  That is all some of us wanted.

Yeah sure, but thats just not enough. Seeing the survivors of Normandy crash stumble upon a vast food cache and knowing they survived to have children, etc wont change the fact that the ending is horrible, or the fact that they lied about it. The fact that they insist on sticking to their "artistic integrity" makes me loose faith in Bioware by the second.

[Jack Mackerel]

I like where this thread is going.

[spacehamsterZH]

1) It really depends on what "more personalized" means. Before the game came out, I always half expected that the impact of most of the big decisions would ultimately be shown in a bunch of cutscenes. So if we're now getting that... it's not a great solution, but I'm okay with it.

2) The real fix that I thought was needed was a complete rework of the entire London mission into something more like the ME2 suicide mission where things happen because of what you did over the course of the game and you have to make hard decisions. But I also knew that was never going to happen.

3) No matter what the extended cut DLC turns out to be exactly, people here will still rage. There's a fairly sizeable number of folks that agree they hate the ending, but if you look at exactly why, there's all kinds of different reasons, and whatever the DLC is, it'll never address all of them, and so only a minority will be satisfied. The rest will still be pissed. And the thing is, nobody's going to take it seriously, because let's face it, it's the Bioware board. When are people here NOT pissed about something?

[Moonshadow_Dark]

MisterW wrote...

Endersoldier wrote...

MisterW wrote...

My view can be summed up in two words, extreme dissapointment. In my naivety I belived bioware when they said they were listening to their fans, clearly this was not the case :/

Well, they did listen to the fans that wanted closure, at least it looks like they did.  That is all some of us wanted.

Yeah sure, but thats just not enough. 

Oh it is enough. You all decided it was.

Or at the very least, the guys who shouted the loudest decided it.

That's what happens when everyone voices a different suggestion at the same time. Bet you would have gotten what you wanted had you all gotten together and organized your thoughts and goals, rather than be armchair activists and just type "/signed" in every thread that said "Retake Mass Effect!"

You got what you wanted. Enjoy! There is your ending! Replay it over and over and over again. You won, big boy! Enjoy your <bleep>ing prize!

[wright1978]

I'm resigned to the fact that this is the ending DLC we are going to get. It is only a small victory but we can only hope and press for it to be as good as it can be within its limitations.

[aberdash]

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

Oh it is enough. You all decided it was.

Or at the very least, the guys who shouted the loudest decided it.

That's what happens when everyone voices a different suggestion at the same time. Bet you would have gotten what you wanted had you all gotten together and organized your thoughts and goals, rather than be armchair activists and just type "/signed" in every thread that said "Retake Mass Effect!"

You got what you wanted. Enjoy! There is your ending! Replay it over and over and over again. You won, big boy! Enjoy your <bleep>ing prize!

Retake Mass Effect made it very clear they wanted the plot holes addressed. I dont see how "clarifying" the ending is doing this. You should really stop talking about things you dont know anything about.

[XqctaX]

people complaining does so about plotholes, and inconsistancy with the theme of the story,
you cant fix that with a few cutscenes that does not change the ending ( thats what they said they will do)


the other major thing people are mad about is the FACT that the promises made in PR for the game was LIES
the game was sold under the promise that the endings would be wildy different depending on all you choices thruout all three games
you cant fix that with a few cutscenes that does not change the ending ( thats what they said they will do)

so this announcment is nothing more than BS
they didnt listen, they have no integrity, its not art. and they are loosing customers.

[Axlesauce]

I have no strong feelings one way or the other.

[Moonshadow_Dark]

aberdash wrote...

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

Oh it is enough. You all decided it was.

Or at the very least, the guys who shouted the loudest decided it.

That's what happens when everyone voices a different suggestion at the same time. Bet you would have gotten what you wanted had you all gotten together and organized your thoughts and goals, rather than be armchair activists and just type "/signed" in every thread that said "Retake Mass Effect!"

You got what you wanted. Enjoy! There is your ending! Replay it over and over and over again. You won, big boy! Enjoy your <bleep>ing prize!

Retake Mass Effect made it very clear they wanted the plot holes addressed. I dont see how "clarifying" the ending is doing this. You should really stop talking about things you dont know anything about.

No, they did not make it clear. You have a bunch of people screaming suggestions how to fix it. Bioware just went with the suggestion that they could make out.

You people had no freaking clue what you were doing. You just sat around yelling.

This is what happens when you don't get your crap together.