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[aberdash]

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...


No, they did not make it clear. You have a bunch of people screaming suggestions how to fix it. Bioware just went with the suggestion that they could make out.

You people had no freaking clue what you were doing. You just sat around yelling.

This is what happens when you don't get your crap together.

You reading a couple posts from people who support retake mass effect by no means makes you an expert. From the beginning they said they wanted "an ending that made sense".

[res27772]

Shelbyman2 wrote...

Here's what I think about the announcement
http://retakeme3supp...compromise.html
How do you guys feel?
I want to know how people feel from both sides of the fence and if you think this is a true compromise.

To be honest, I'll reserve judgement until I've actually seen it.

Would I have preferred a changed ending or new ones, of course I would, I still think it's a cluster**** the way it is, but...

Whether or not I find this "Extended Cut" to be good enough depends on - what it explains/clarifies, and in how much depth.  If it somehow manages to explain all the plot holes, why our decisions in all three games are completely disregarded and made pointless, and just what the hell Ghostkid is and where it came from... and last but not least why Shepard suddenly loses the ability to think for herself right at the end... Maybe shows us what actually hppens on earth, to the systems with relays after the explode, what happens to the various crew members (and how they miraculously get back to the Normandy to run away like little ****es)... they just maybe it'll be enough.

However, considering just how much needs explaining, I really doubt a few "filler" film sequences will be remotely enough to satisfy me, or other fans.

We'll see...

Whether or not I remain a BioWare customer does depend on the outcome...

Modifié par res27772, 06 avril 2012 - 10:52 .

[PaddlePop]

aberdash wrote...

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...


No, they did not make it clear. You have a bunch of people screaming suggestions how to fix it. Bioware just went with the suggestion that they could make out.

You people had no freaking clue what you were doing. You just sat around yelling.

This is what happens when you don't get your crap together.

You reading a couple posts from people who support retake mass effect by no means makes you an expert. From the beginning they said they wanted "an ending that made sense".

QFT! 

[Moonshadow_Dark]

aberdash wrote...

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...


No, they did not make it clear. You have a bunch of people screaming suggestions how to fix it. Bioware just went with the suggestion that they could make out.

You people had no freaking clue what you were doing. You just sat around yelling.

This is what happens when you don't get your crap together.

You reading a couple posts from people who support retake mass effect by no means makes you an expert. From the beginning they said they wanted "an ending that made sense".

And everyone had different ideas on how to make it make sense. Some people asked for epilogue slides, some were asking for additional choices, some were asking for a fourth option to tell Star Kid no.

You guys did not get your crap in order. And because of that, you didn't get what you all wanted. You got whatever the loudest sect of you guys wanted. And apparently, it was epilogue guy and his friends.

You effed up. You Retakers effed up royal.

[Peregrin25]

Maybe all of us that are waiting to decide if it is horrible until it is released, maybe BioWare and EA have indoctrinated us? What if there is subliminal messaging in the new announcement that indoctrinated us?

Indoctrinated presence detected *logging off*

Modifié par Peregrin25, 06 avril 2012 - 10:54 .

[1337Floctender]

This is Bioware's chance to prove that they listen. If it's good, they'll have my support. If not, then they won't. Simple as that.

[Madosu]

If the Extended Cut really just is an extention, then i'd really feel let down, again. The reason why I wanted a different ending was not because of the ending not being "clear", it was because it simply didn't fit with the rest of the universe. And besides, an "extention" would still have all the Mass Relays destroyed, and who else remember what happened when the Alpha Relay got destoyed??

[Irx]

I am starting to think that its better to just forget about the whole ME franchise and move forward. Watching this powerpoint clarification which is there just to make me want to pay for dlc will probably just renew the feeling of disappointment which I mostly got rid of by now.

[Rune-Chan]

I shall probably sell the game on ebay and watch the videos elsehwere. Nothing really has changed.

Everything still happened, we just now get an explanation of what happened next. Which doesn't matter because everybody is f**ked unless they decide to sprinkle some more space magic on everything.

[spacehamsterZH]

aberdash wrote...
From the beginning they said they wanted "an ending that made sense".

Really? The Retake FB page says this:

Some possible ideas include Shepard
retiring or settling down with his/her love interest, returning to work
as a Council SPECTRE, or traveling the galaxy as an inter-species
diplomat.

Players need closure as to the fates of the various
races, and organizations in the galaxy, and most importantly the fate of
the crew of the Normandy (both current and former).

The current ending(s) could be left for those that enjoy them, but a more pleasant ending could easily be added.

[Aulis Vaara]

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

You people had no freaking clue what you were doing. You just sat around yelling.

Even if this is true, the message of what was broken in the game was mostly the same. Bioware should listen to that and make appropriate endings that fix this. After all, they are the storytellers among us, most of the fans don't know how to make a story (not meant as an insult; different people, different skills). So it remains up to Bioware to make a satisfying ending while listening to the fans about what was broken in the ending.

I'll reserve judgement on the dlc, but I'm not exactly hopeful that it'll fix the problems either.

[shootist70]

RoninTX wrote...

They are keeping the current ending so unless they manage to explain EXACTLY what they are "clarifying" in detail I will just wash my hands of Bioware.

They'll try to take the deus ex machina out of the ending by signposting it, by extending one of Shephard's holo chats with Hackett:

Hackett: 'Oh, by the way, looks like the trigger mechanism for the Crucible is a sentient life-force.'

Shephard: 'Man, that's lame. Wonder what poor sucker will end up with that job?'

Modifié par shootist70, 06 avril 2012 - 11:08 .

[aberdash]

spacehamsterZH wrote...

Really? The Retake FB page says this:

http://retakemasseff...ect-childs-play

Ya really.

Modifié par aberdash, 06 avril 2012 - 11:09 .

[Moonshadow_Dark]

spacehamsterZH wrote...

aberdash wrote...
From the beginning they said they wanted "an ending that made sense".

Really? The Retake FB page says this:

Some possible ideas include Shepard
retiring or settling down with his/her love interest, returning to work
as a Council SPECTRE, or traveling the galaxy as an inter-species
diplomat.

Players need closure as to the fates of the various
races, and organizations in the galaxy, and most importantly the fate of
the crew of the Normandy (both current and former).

The current ending(s) could be left for those that enjoy them, but a more pleasant ending could easily be added.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

See? No clear goal what so ever. Everyone just did what they wanted.

[earthonline]

 here is a list of the game's current endings:
Mass Effect 3 Endings Guide

[aberdash]

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

See? No clear goal what so ever. Everyone just did what they wanted.

A Petition for Alternate Endings to the Mass Effect Trilogy

We, the undersigned, respectfully request the consideration of the following petition.

Whereas:

* Mass Effect is an interactive video game providing a detailed framework within which the player may create a unique story

* A major concept of the Mass Effect games is that your choices significantly affect the outcome of the story

* Another major concept of the Mass Effect games is success in the face of seemingly impossible odds

We believe:

* That it is the right of the writers and developers of the Mass Effect series to end that series however they see fit

However, we also believe that the currently available endings to the series:

* Do not provide the wide range of possible outcomes that we have come to expect from a Mass Effect game

* Do not provide a sense of succeeding against impossible odds

* Do not provide a sense of closure with regard to the universe and characters we have become attached to

* Do not provide an explanation of events up to the ending which maintains consistency with the overall story

We therefore respectfully request additional endings be added to the game which provide:

* A more complete explanation of the story events

*
An explaination of the outcome of the decisions made, especially with
regard to the planets, races, and companions detailed throughout the
series

* A heroic ending which provides a better sense of accomplishment

To
this end, we donate to the "Retake Mass Effect 3" Child's Play Charity
drive in lieu of our signature to this petition, in order to establish
our sincerity, our love for these games, and for the Mass Effect
universe.

We thank you for your consideration.

Seems pretty clear to me.

Modifié par aberdash, 06 avril 2012 - 11:14 .

[Sundance31us]

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

See? No clear goal what so ever. Everyone just did what they wanted.

You're right. Having watched this since the Wednesday after release...one days it's about happy endings, the next it's all about closure, the next it's about clarification and so on and so forth.

[Moonshadow_Dark]

aberdash wrote...

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

See? No clear goal what so ever. Everyone just did what they wanted.

A Petition for Alternate Endings to the Mass Effect Trilogy

We, the undersigned, respectfully request the consideration of the following petition.

Whereas:

* Mass Effect is an interactive video game providing a detailed framework within which the player may create a unique story

* A major concept of the Mass Effect games is that your choices significantly affect the outcome of the story

* Another major concept of the Mass Effect games is success in the face of seemingly impossible odds

We believe:

* That it is the right of the writers and developers of the Mass Effect series to end that series however they see fit

However, we also believe that the currently available endings to the series:

* Do not provide the wide range of possible outcomes that we have come to expect from a Mass Effect game

* Do not provide a sense of succeeding against impossible odds

* Do not provide a sense of closure with regard to the universe and characters we have become attached to

* Do not provide an explanation of events up to the ending which maintains consistency with the overall story

We therefore respectfully request additional endings be added to the game which provide:

* A more complete explanation of the story events

*
An explaination of the outcome of the decisions made, especially with
regard to the planets, races, and companions detailed throughout the
series

* A heroic ending which provides a better sense of accomplishment

To
this end, we donate to the "Retake Mass Effect 3" Child's Play Charity
drive in lieu of our signature to this petition, in order to establish
our sincerity, our love for these games, and for the Mass Effect
universe.

We thank you for your consideration.

That's what Child's Play said.

Facebook says different.

Your twitter page says another thing as well.

YOUR FREAKING PETITION.ORG SAYS YOU WANT THE ENTIRE ENDINGS REWORKED.


So do you still not understand what you did wrong?

[aberdash]

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

That's what Child's Play said.

Facebook says different.

Your twitter page says another thing as well.

YOUR FREAKING PETITION.ORG SAYS YOU WANT THE ENTIRE ENDINGS REWORKED.


So do you still not understand what you did wrong?

Childs play had nothing to do with retake mass effect. As I said stop talking about things you dont know anything about. That was also the first page retake mass effect made.

edit: also if you actually read them they say the same thing. they are just a brief summary of the petition.

Modifié par aberdash, 06 avril 2012 - 11:22 .

[PaddlePop]

Nice trolling, Moonshadow_Dark.  You know people are upset, but you keep on stirring the pot. 

Modifié par PaddlePop, 06 avril 2012 - 11:22 .

[Moonshadow_Dark]

aberdash wrote...

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

That's what Child's Play said.

Facebook says different.

Your twitter page says another thing as well.

YOUR FREAKING PETITION.ORG SAYS YOU WANT THE ENTIRE ENDINGS REWORKED.


So do you still not understand what you did wrong?

Childs play had nothing to do with retake mass effect. As I said stop talking about things you dont know anything about. That was also the first page retake mass effect made.

No, YOU stop talking about things you don't understand.

Case in point: THE ENTIRE MOVEMENT.

You had no idea what you were doing. You guys had no leader, no predetermined goal or set means to achieve said goal.

You guys just yelled out "Retake Mass Effect!" and ran in different directions. As a result, your message was garbled and Bioware went with whatever they understood.

What they got: Clarification.

What you intended: Sensability.

Stop trying to convince everyone you had things under control. We all know you didn't. There was no order. You guys just went wild and now you're paying for it.

[spacehamsterZH]

aberdash wrote...Childs play had nothing to do with retake mass effect.

So which one was Bioware supposed to listen to, and how were they supposed to determine which site lists the "real" complaints that represent the majority? Especially given the fact that the Child's Play page links to the Facebook page?

I'm sorry, but if I were the powers that be at Bioware, I'd be pretty confused as to who to listen to. And all things considered, looking at both the FB page and the CP page (which if I understand you correctly are completely unrelated somehow), they actually did address not all, but most of these complaints, within reason. Moonshadow's condescending tone isn't helping, but the bottom line is, it's true that a lot of people hate the ending for very different reasons, and basically, there is no consensus on what should take priority in a fix.

[Moonshadow_Dark]

PaddlePop wrote...

Nice trolling, Moonshadow_Dark.

It's not trolling. It's called letting you know what you did wrong.

If you want something done right the first time, don't half ass it.

[aberdash]

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

No, YOU stop talking about things you don't understand.

Case in point: THE ENTIRE MOVEMENT.

You had no idea what you were doing. You guys had no leader, no predetermined goal or set means to achieve said goal.

You guys just yelled out "Retake Mass Effect!" and ran in different directions. As a result, your message was garbled and Bioware went with whatever they understood.

What they got: Clarification.

What you intended: Sensability.

Stop trying to convince everyone you had things under control. We all know you didn't. There was no order. You guys just went wild and now you're paying for it.

The petition was the start and has always been the heart of what retake mass effect is. You are also clearly ignoring everything I say so I'll just stop bothering with you.

Modifié par aberdash, 06 avril 2012 - 11:24 .

[Moonshadow_Dark]

spacehamsterZH wrote...

aberdash wrote...Childs play had nothing to do with retake mass effect.

So which one was Bioware supposed to listen to, and how were they supposed to determine which site lists the "real" complaints that represent the majority? Especially given the fact that the Child's Play page links to the Facebook page?

I'm sorry, but if I were the powers that be at Bioware, I'd be pretty confused as to who to listen to. And all things considered, looking at both the FB page and the CP page (which if I understand you correctly are completely unrelated somehow), they actually did address not all, but most of these complaints, within reason. Moonshadow's condescending tone isn't helping, but the bottom line is, it's true that a lot of people hate the ending for very different reasons, and basically, there is no consensus on what should take priority in a fix.

It's not condescention, it's exasperation.