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[spacehamsterZH]

aberdash wrote...
The petition was the start and has always been the heart of what retake mass effect is.

If that's the case, the petition, in its exact wording, should have been on every outlet associated with Retake Mass Effect. It wasn't.

[Moonshadow_Dark]

aberdash wrote...

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

No, YOU stop talking about things you don't understand.

Case in point: THE ENTIRE MOVEMENT.

You had no idea what you were doing. You guys had no leader, no predetermined goal or set means to achieve said goal.

You guys just yelled out "Retake Mass Effect!" and ran in different directions. As a result, your message was garbled and Bioware went with whatever they understood.

What they got: Clarification.

What you intended: Sensability.

Stop trying to convince everyone you had things under control. We all know you didn't. There was no order. You guys just went wild and now you're paying for it.

The petition was the start and has always been the heart of what retake mass effect is. You are also clearly ignoring everything I say so I'll just stop bothering with you.

You're not saying anything that explains what happened. You just keep repeating "We want this, not this." even though everyone else was saying something different.

The petition was the start, but you somehow got to a billion different paths that went all over the place.

[aberdash]

spacehamsterZH wrote...

So which one was Bioware supposed to listen to, and how were they supposed to determine which site lists the "real" complaints that represent the majority? Especially given the fact that the Child's Play page links to the Facebook page?

I'm sorry, but if I were the powers that be at Bioware, I'd be pretty confused as to who to listen to. And all things considered, looking at both the FB page and the CP page (which if I understand you correctly are completely unrelated somehow), they actually did address not all, but most of these complaints, within reason. Moonshadow's condescending tone isn't helping, but the bottom line is, it's true that a lot of people hate the ending for very different reasons, and basically, there is no consensus on what should take priority in a fix.

Sigh... Retake Mass Effect started a petition and then later asked people to start donating to childs play. After a few days people like you started saying "hurr durr they have no specifics on what they want" . Various supportes then started giving suggestions and now people like you are saying "hurr durr they dont know what they want".

Modifié par aberdash, 06 avril 2012 - 11:29 .

[Favourite store on the CitadeI]

What a ****ty futile attempt

[Sundance31us]

For reference: (Links may contain spoilers)

Does the lack of a happy ending bother you, or the lack of closure?
http://social.biowar.../index/10567768

Just what the hell. Bioware, we want a new ending, not some closure to the current...
http://social.biowar.../index/10518960

Do you want a happier ending, or an ending that makes sense and offers closure?
http://social.biowar.../index/10319457

You hate the ending because it's not a happy ending or because it doesn't...
http://social.biowar.../index/10180292

Closure. Finally. I'm happy now.
http://social.biowar.../index/10324897

Edit: Added spoiler warning

Modifié par Sundance31us, 06 avril 2012 - 11:32 .

[spacehamsterZH]

aberdash wrote...Sigh... Retake Mass Effect started a petition and then later asked people to start donating to childs play. After a few days people like you started saying "hurr durr they have no specifics on what they want" . Various supportes then started giving suggestions and now people like you are saying "hurr durr they dont know what they want".

Again I ask: according to you, what did people want and where was this posted? You've been arguing for three pages now, and I still have no idea.

[aberdash]

spacehamsterZH wrote...

Again I ask: according to you, what did people want and where was this posted? You've been arguing for three pages now, and I still have no idea.

It's already been posted but here it is again.

The Petition
A Petition for Alternate Endings to the Mass Effect Trilogy

We, the undersigned, respectfully request the consideration of the following petition.

Whereas:

* Mass Effect is an interactive video game providing a detailed framework within which the player may create a unique story

* A major concept of the Mass Effect games is that your choices significantly affect the outcome of the story

* Another major concept of the Mass Effect games is success in the face of seemingly impossible odds

We believe:

* That it is the right of the writers and developers of the Mass Effect series to end that series however they see fit

However, we also believe that the currently available endings to the series:

* Do not provide the wide range of possible outcomes that we have come to expect from a Mass Effect game

* Do not provide a sense of succeeding against impossible odds

* Do not provide a sense of closure with regard to the universe and characters we have become attached to

* Do not provide an explanation of events up to the ending which maintains consistency with the overall story

We therefore respectfully request additional endings be added to the game which provide:

* A more complete explanation of the story events

*
An explaination of the outcome of the decisions made, especially with
regard to the planets, races, and companions detailed throughout the
series

* A heroic ending which provides a better sense of accomplishment

To
this end, we donate to the "Retake Mass Effect 3" Child's Play Charity
drive in lieu of our signature to this petition, in order to establish
our sincerity, our love for these games, and for the Mass Effect
universe.

We thank you for your consideration.

http://retakemasseffect.chipin.com/retake-mass-effect-childs-play

Modifié par aberdash, 06 avril 2012 - 11:44 .

[SystemsAlliance]

I am already indifferent on any Bioware products. Enjoy your $ 60 Bioware, I think I have to buy something on May 15....

I don't care about Bioware anymore. I am sure this "so-called" release is still not up to standard, and their so-called "artistic view" is bad in my taste. Just release it, and hope for luck, because most of the people here, your loyal fans, are already greatly disappointed.

[Sundance31us]

@ aberdash

The information you link to is off-site, where was it posted on-site?

[LOLandStuff]

Like covering a hole in the wall with bubblegum.

[JenMaxon]

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...
The petition was the start, but you somehow got to a billion different paths that went all over the place.

We're on a game discussion board.  People had a discussion.  That means they talked about their different ideas - not everyone talking about the same one.  What with it being a debate.  Y'know.  What's your problem?

For the record, I think the Retake movement - whatever the outcome - did something that is interesting and possibly important for the future of game design (at least this type of game).

[spacehamsterZH]

aberdash wrote...

spacehamsterZH wrote...

Again I ask: according to you, what did people want and where was this posted? You've been arguing for three pages now, and I still have no idea.

It's already been posted but here it is again.

<snip>

Again I ask: How was anyone at Bioware supposed to know that this, and not, say, the vastly different version posted on the Facebook page (which roughly 60,000 people joined) was supposed to be the "definitive" version?

[macrocarl]

I think Retake folks know what they want, but BW also knows where they want to go with further installments. In response to unhappy fans they've offered FREE extended cut scenes (presumedly to fill in as many plot holes as possible) and then move on to future DLC. BW is happy with the over all structure of the ending. So am I. We got the ending we got and I'm betting future DLC will be awesome. I mean, most Hold The Line/ Retakers seem to agree that they like the series as a whole minus the last 5 minutes. Can't we just trust their vision?

[aberdash]

Sundance31us wrote...

@ aberdash

The information you link to is off-site, where was it posted on-site?

Its at the bottom of the page.

spacehamsterZH wrote...

Again I ask: How was anyone at Bioware supposed to know that this, and not, say, the vastly different version posted on the Facebook page (which roughly 60,000 people joined) was supposed to be the "definitive" version?

It has been posted on this forum. It was in a long ass thread that bioware ended up locking I think. Also the donations to childs play got them a fair amount of press.

Modifié par aberdash, 06 avril 2012 - 02:28 .

[ognick23]

i just see it like this, before most people were upset because they didnt have closure and most people agreed that they wish for scenes close to Fallout 3 or other games that did it good, now that Bioware is giving some close (dont know how much) people want a complete overhaul, IMO that just proves that it was mostly because fans did not get the ending THEY wanted, especially since the DLC is free!

[aberdash]

People wanted a complete overhaul the day after ME3 was released.

[ognick23]

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

aberdash wrote...

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

That's what Child's Play said.

Facebook says different.

Your twitter page says another thing as well.

YOUR FREAKING PETITION.ORG SAYS YOU WANT THE ENTIRE ENDINGS REWORKED.


So do you still not understand what you did wrong?

Childs play had nothing to do with retake mass effect. As I said stop talking about things you dont know anything about. That was also the first page retake mass effect made.

No, YOU stop talking about things you don't understand.

Case in point: THE ENTIRE MOVEMENT.

You had no idea what you were doing. You guys had no leader, no predetermined goal or set means to achieve said goal.

You guys just yelled out "Retake Mass Effect!" and ran in different directions. As a result, your message was garbled and Bioware went with whatever they understood.

What they got: Clarification.

What you intended: Sensability.

Stop trying to convince everyone you had things under control. We all know you didn't. There was no order. You guys just went wild and now you're paying for it.

and the ones sending threats and trying to sue damn sure didnt help their cause either lol

[Splinter Cell 108]

I didn't like it and felt angry mainly because they just announced it and didn't give us any details aside from it being "clarification" and then they told us that they won't talk about it on PAX. So they probably just made that announcement to shut everyone up. I feel like they think we're a bunch of idiots.

Modifié par Splinter Cell 108, 06 avril 2012 - 02:40 .

[ognick23]

aberdash wrote...

People wanted a complete overhaul the day after ME3 was released.

yea people did want a complete overhaul but the majority (who ive seen on here) just wanted closure scenes, i gotta agree with the guy u were arguing with, too many people wanted different things, BW cant make everyone happy some people are gonna be assed out

[spacehamsterZH]

aberdash wrote...

spacehamsterZH wrote...

Again I ask: How was anyone at Bioware supposed to know that this, and not, say, the vastly different version posted on the Facebook page (which roughly 60,000 people joined) was supposed to be the "definitive" version?

It has been posted on this forum.

Along with tons and tons of other versions of what people want, here and elsewhere. I still don't see how anyone was supposed to assume that this petition was the definitive version. Again, the FB page says something else and has 60,000 likes.

Modifié par spacehamsterZH, 06 avril 2012 - 02:46 .

[Machazareel]

I'm personally going to reserve judgement until I actually see the extended cut. While what is indicated isn't everything I wanted, it is some of what I wanted, and if it turns out to be a decent addition, I'll be satisfied with the compromise. The fact that they're at least doing *something* is positive, I think. There was never any chance of pleasing everybody. Lots of people hated the endings, but they all had their own reasons for hating it.

[Brian.V3]

My view is simple.
If done in what people who wanted closure envisioned then it would at least make the whole star child appearance tolerable. I wouldn't say it would make the ending awesome or anything (opinion reserved for when it is released). This will ultimately prove whether BioWare actually listened because I've read up on those who wanted closure (if done right we could really sense a "Happy" or bittersweet ending). That was my initial stance really until I started looking back in ME and ME 2 established lore that made me want an actual post ending DLC.

If delivered well I might consider another BioWare product. But if they fail at this... something that they have a lot of information on when it comes to how we want our closure. Then I can't say I will be optimistic about future installments of the ME franchise or even another BioWare product.

[MisterW]

Moonshadow_Dark wrote...

MisterW wrote...

Endersoldier wrote...

MisterW wrote...

My view can be summed up in two words, extreme dissapointment. In my naivety I belived bioware when they said they were listening to their fans, clearly this was not the case :/

Well, they did listen to the fans that wanted closure, at least it looks like they did.  That is all some of us wanted.

Yeah sure, but thats just not enough. 

Oh it is enough. You all decided it was.

Or at the very least, the guys who shouted the loudest decided it.

That's what happens when everyone voices a different suggestion at the same time. Bet you would have gotten what you wanted had you all gotten together and organized your thoughts and goals, rather than be armchair activists and just type "/signed" in every thread that said "Retake Mass Effect!"

You got what you wanted. Enjoy! There is your ending! Replay it over and over and over again. You won, big boy! Enjoy your <bleep>ing prize!

Who is "you all"?

And if my previous post didn't make it clear, no I didn't get what wanted. If Bioware had looked at "feedback gathered from thousands of fans", im sure they would have realized that many want in the least a new ending that makes sense. So either they Didnt, or they decided against which made the gathering of feedback worthless.

[KingJason13]

I think I'll download it, load up a save just prior to the ending, and see what's what... Then I'll go back to playing all of the other cool games coming out this year! Max Payne 3 anyone!?!

('cause I'm over ME3's ending : )

[Shelbyman2]

In all honesty the groups motives as a whole was very clear from day one. There was no division in what people wanted, if you were in the Retake group you wanted a new ending, its all in the description the facebook page, twitter, and the official site, People were angry about all DLC announcements perhaps providing more clarity every time they came around, vague or not. It's a perfect example of listening but not hearing.