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[Chrillze]

Cgrissom wrote...

Chrillze wrote...

Cgrissom wrote...

Chrillze wrote...

Menalaos1971 wrote...

OK, I'm assume someone has set OP straight a dozen times in here already, but if not..

No one ask for them to clarify the crap ending. We asked to be given what they've marketed to us for 5 years. A game where our choices matter, and the current ending ignores all of our choices.

They do...It's called EMS

*sigh* I'd love to have an intellectual discussion on this point, but i really doubt you're the right person to have that with.

Thanks, I feel the same way about you

Do you really think we're all pathetic? I mean, really? The majority of people I see have posted perfectly legitimate concerns and then are told by people that we're "whiny", "entitled" and all sorts of other names. And honestly, had your initial post not insulted me in some great sweeping generalized insult I might actually value your opinion somewhat. But really, a mass insult at the start is just plain not nice and narrow-minded.

I don't think people that have posted in a calm and mature manner are pathetic but the majority of retakers that are posting act like rabbid dogs, and yes I think those people that act like rabbid dogs are pathetic

[STEEEEVE]

Chrillze wrote...

 You are pathetic. BioWare is giving you exactly what you have been asking for: clarification, closure and blue babies and you are still whining. BioWare could have ignored you but instead they give you what you want but you ungrateful "fans" are still complaining. I have a tip for you: If you hate the ME3 ending so much(I didn't like it either) and are still rageing when they have said that they will fix it, how about you just leave the forums and stop bother the vast majority that are true fans and are happy with the extended cut. I have heard that Diablo 3 will come out within a month, maybe that can make you forget ME3? (I am talking about the rabbid dogs that spew their pathetic hate on the forums, NOT the people that come with constructive criticism about the ending)

Good lord we've got some ignorant people on here.  I love when someone thinks they have the right to decide who does and doesn't qualify as a fan.  I'm a fan of my university's football team.  Does that mean I can't boo if they put in a QB who's thrown 40 interceptions over one who's scored 40 Touchdowns?  You have no right to tell other people whether or not they are a fan of something.  The fact that you think you do have that right means that you are the absolute worst sort of moron, the kind that isn't content just with his own ignorance, but has to spread it to others as though it's correct.  Please remove yourself from the gene pool as soon as possible.



In conclusion:

[mxfox408]

Chrillze wrote...

Cgrissom wrote...

Chrillze wrote...

Cgrissom wrote...

Chrillze wrote...

Menalaos1971 wrote...

OK, I'm assume someone has set OP straight a dozen times in here already, but if not..

No one ask for them to clarify the crap ending. We asked to be given what they've marketed to us for 5 years. A game where our choices matter, and the current ending ignores all of our choices.

They do...It's called EMS

*sigh* I'd love to have an intellectual discussion on this point, but i really doubt you're the right person to have that with.

Thanks, I feel the same way about you

Do you really think we're all pathetic? I mean, really? The majority of people I see have posted perfectly legitimate concerns and then are told by people that we're "whiny", "entitled" and all sorts of other names. And honestly, had your initial post not insulted me in some great sweeping generalized insult I might actually value your opinion somewhat. But really, a mass insult at the start is just plain not nice and narrow-minded.

I don't think people that have posted in a calm and mature manner are pathetic but the majority of retakers that are posting act like rabbid dogs, and yes I think those people that act like rabbid dogs are pathetic

At this point your just trolling, I request a moderator lock this troll thread down.

[The Wumpus]

Chrillze wrote...

 You are pathetic. BioWare is giving you exactly what you have been asking for: clarification, closure and blue babies and you are still whining. BioWare could have ignored you but instead they give you what you want but you ungrateful "fans" are still complaining. I have a tip for you: If you hate the ME3 ending so much(I didn't like it either) and are still rageing when they have said that they will fix it, how about you just leave the forums and stop bother the vast majority that are true fans and are happy with the extended cut. I have heard that Diablo 3 will come out within a month, maybe that can make you forget ME3? (I am talking about the rabbid dogs that spew their pathetic hate on the forums, NOT the people that come with constructive criticism about the ending)

Chrillze, I like what they're doing with the extended cut too -- it's not everything I'd like to see, but it's a nice gesture, and it could go a long way toward patching things over.

But if you talk like this, no one will listen to you.

[Chrillze]

STEEEEVE wrote...

Chrillze wrote...

 You are pathetic. BioWare is giving you exactly what you have been asking for: clarification, closure and blue babies and you are still whining. BioWare could have ignored you but instead they give you what you want but you ungrateful "fans" are still complaining. I have a tip for you: If you hate the ME3 ending so much(I didn't like it either) and are still rageing when they have said that they will fix it, how about you just leave the forums and stop bother the vast majority that are true fans and are happy with the extended cut. I have heard that Diablo 3 will come out within a month, maybe that can make you forget ME3? (I am talking about the rabbid dogs that spew their pathetic hate on the forums, NOT the people that come with constructive criticism about the ending)

Good lord we've got some ignorant people on here.  I love when someone thinks they have the right to decide who does and doesn't qualify as a fan.  I'm a fan of my university's football team.  Does that mean I can't boo if they put in a QB who's thrown 40 interceptions over one who's scored 40 Touchdowns?  You have no right to tell other people whether or not they are a fan of something.  The fact that you think you do have that right means that you are the absolute worst sort of moron, the kind that isn't content just with his own ignorance, but has to spread it to others as though it's correct.  Please remove yourself from the gene pool as soon as possible.



In conclusion:

read my post, then read it 3 more times, then you will understand what I am saying. It is obvious that my thread is to intellectual and artistic for you

[Cgrissom]

Chrillze wrote...

Cgrissom wrote...

Chrillze wrote...

Cgrissom wrote...

Chrillze wrote...

Menalaos1971 wrote...

OK, I'm assume someone has set OP straight a dozen times in here already, but if not..

No one ask for them to clarify the crap ending. We asked to be given what they've marketed to us for 5 years. A game where our choices matter, and the current ending ignores all of our choices.

They do...It's called EMS

*sigh* I'd love to have an intellectual discussion on this point, but i really doubt you're the right person to have that with.

Thanks, I feel the same way about you

Do you really think we're all pathetic? I mean, really? The majority of people I see have posted perfectly legitimate concerns and then are told by people that we're "whiny", "entitled" and all sorts of other names. And honestly, had your initial post not insulted me in some great sweeping generalized insult I might actually value your opinion somewhat. But really, a mass insult at the start is just plain not nice and narrow-minded.

I don't think people that have posted in a calm and mature manner are pathetic but the majority of retakers that are posting act like rabbid dogs, and yes I think those people that act like rabbid dogs are pathetic

Then please, make that distinction in your original post. I'd say it's better to insult no one, but oh well. But do please make that distinction.

[Menalaos1971]

Byronic-Knight wrote...

Chrillze wrote...

Rickin10 wrote...

N7 MACK wrote...

Amen. I never realized how selfish/entitled the RME movement was until yesterday.

Yeah, man.  Wanting what was promised.  Those pesky consumers, eh?

What did they promise? enlighten me please

"I'm always leery of saying there are 'optimal'endings, because I thing one of the things we do try to do is make different endings that are optimal for different people."

--Mac Walters (lead writer)

"There are many different endings. We wouldn't do it any other way. How could you go through all three campaigns playing as your Shepard and then be forced into a bespoke ending that everyone gets? But I can't say any more than that. . . "

--Mike Gamble (Associative Producer)

"Every decision you've made wil impact how things go. The player's also the architect of what happens."

--Mike Gamble (Associative Producer)

"You'll get answers to everything. That was one of the key things. Regardless of how we did everything, we had to say, yes, we're going to provide some answers t these people"

--Mike Gamble (Associative Producer)

"For people who are invested in these characters and the back-story of the universe and everything, all of these things come to a resolution in Mass Effect 3. And they are resolved in a way that's very different based on what you would do in those situations."

--Casey Hudson (Director)

Probably most damning of all, particularlly regarding the argument of, "It's their product, and they can end it however they want to, everyone complaining should just suck it up." 

Interviewer: "So are you guys the creators or stewards of the franchise?"
Hudson: "Umm. . . you know, at this point, I think we're co-creators with the fans. We use a lot of feedback."

--Casey Hudson (Director)

The thread I got all the quotes from: 
http://social.biowar...ndex/10204263/1 

So, I didn't get an ending that was optimal for me, I wasn't able to do what I would do at the end, I received no answers, and I certainly did not feel like an architect or co-creator. What I felt like happened was they gave me a bucket of pre-select Lego bricks, told me to build something with them, and then, after I was finished, took what I made back and rearranged it into something they wanted to make to begin with, and then proceed to get mad at my anger when they refuse to explain why I was told to make something at all. 

And to make matters worse, now the people that are complaining about the people saying the ending was ******-poor are telling said people that they shouldn't feel like the architects or co-creators because it was Bioware's work of art to do with what they saw fit---which would be fine if they say fit to make a story without any in-game input from the player, but they didn't. They saw fit to hand the narrative for each player to tell, making them, instead, the creators of many possible outcomes. 

If you want to make something to present to me, fine. But don't tell me I'm the architect, give me a pen, and then substitute my blueprints for yours when building the ultimate structure. (which, going along with the horrendous implications of the ending, is then demolished. . . what the hell was the point at all?)

People like Chrillze have to ignore all of this to support their odd notion that what we got was somehow fine.

[boardnfool86]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Your mother's pathetic.

Mature response

[mxfox408]

Chrillze wrote...

STEEEEVE wrote...

Chrillze wrote...

 You are pathetic. BioWare is giving you exactly what you have been asking for: clarification, closure and blue babies and you are still whining. BioWare could have ignored you but instead they give you what pyou want but you ungrateful "fans" are still complaining. I have a tip for you: If you hate the ME3 ending so much(I didn't like it either) and are still rageing when they have said that they will fix it, how about you just leave the forums and stop bother the vast majority that are true fans and are happy with the extended cut. I have heard that Diablo 3 will come out within a month, maybe that can make you forget ME3? (I am talking about the rabbid dogs that spew their pathetic hate on the forums, NOT the people that come with constructive criticism about the ending)

Good lord we've got some ignorant people on here.  I love when someone thinks they have the right to decide who does and doesn't qualify as a fan.  I'm a fan of my university's football team.  Does that mean I can't boo if they put in a QB who's thrown 40 interceptions over one who's scored 40 Touchdowns?  You have no right to tell other people whether or not they are a fan of something.  The fact that you think you do have that right means that you are the absolute worst sort of moron, the kind that isn't content just with his own ignorance, but has to spread it to others as though it's correct.  Please remove yourself from the gene pool as soon as possible.



In conclusion:

read my post, then read it 3 more times, then you will understand what I am saying. It is obvious that my thread is to intellectual and artistic for you

ROFL hahahaha I just about **** myself with that last sentence lol.

Modifié par mxfox408, 06 avril 2012 - 03:46 .

[The Edge]

"True fans" care enough to let the developer know when something went horribly, horribly wrong (subjective, but important all the same). Extending the ending MIGHT be cool with some and it might be all that is needed to fix our perception of it. Unfortunately, given how bad the ending is (in alot of our minds), it's tough to see this extension as merely polish to an otherwise crappy ending.

[Faded-Myth]

Simple solution is just be civil. Getting angry in response and shouting back counter-arguments will just cause this topic to go on forever. If his concern really is people being petty or hateful, he'll stop. If he continues to go on even if people don't "spew hatred" as he puts it, then he's trolling.

[MPSai]

This isn't what I asked for. I didn't want them to try and handwave plotholes and betrayals of theme with a few extra clips attached to the end, I wanted them to rewrite and repair the ending so there were no plotholes and betrayals of theme. And to deliver an ending that is up to the standards of quality one would reasonably expect from their company, given the quality of writing we've seen in the rest of the series, and even the rest of ME3.

I'm wondering if this Free DLC is as much an attempt to placate people as it is to spur others to say "look you got what you wanted, why are you still complaining?" when they don't understand exactly why people think the endings are bad.

Modifié par MPSai, 06 avril 2012 - 03:46 .

[jbadm04]

Hy0ga wrote...

I'm just gonna crtl+v what I posted in another topic;

There's no clarification in the world to justify that unholy kid. Actually, there's;

If Harbinger and Soverign are rogue reapers and everything we knew about the "old machines" were lies told by the rogue Reapers. And also, no clarification can explain why Shepard just accept every single world the kid says without confrontation, questions or anything at all.

I don't care if Shepard dies. I don't care if my squad dies. I don't care if the galaxy is almost destroyed. I can live without unicorns and rainbows in my ending.

I just want it to make sense. A good written narrative that follows the ME plots and logic. And IMHO sticking with The Catalyst as a omniscient organic lover/reaper commander godly entity and is a hole so big in the story that cannot be fixed.

this dear OP, as always the company fails at geting the point. I dont care for some happy ending, hell bittersweet is what I pretty much expected, but we did not get bittersweet, but  shallow, worthless, sensless crap.

a clarification DLC will make it half as bad to swallow the pill, but not realy that better.

[Byronic-Knight]

Menalaos1971 wrote...

People like Chrillze have to ignore all of this to support their odd notion that what we got was somehow fine.

No kidding, I think that was my third post on this thread to go completely ignored. 

[Trentgamer]

Troll is obvious troll. Ignore him

[mxfox408]

How does bioware let's these topics go on and on?

[Chrillze]

mxfox408 wrote...

How does bioware let's these topics go on and on?

because these topics are intellectual and artistic, too bad the retakers doesn't understand that

[Denethar]

The trolling is strong in this one.

Seriously, can a Mod do his job and close the thread.

[darthoptimus003]

Menalaos1971 wrote...

Byronic-Knight wrote...

Chrillze wrote...

Rickin10 wrote...

N7 MACK wrote...

Amen. I never realized how selfish/entitled the RME movement was until yesterday.

Yeah, man.  Wanting what was promised.  Those pesky consumers, eh?

What did they promise? enlighten me please

"I'm always leery of saying there are 'optimal'endings, because I thing one of the things we do try to do is make different endings that are optimal for different people."

--Mac Walters (lead writer)

"There are many different endings. We wouldn't do it any other way. How could you go through all three campaigns playing as your Shepard and then be forced into a bespoke ending that everyone gets? But I can't say any more than that. . . "

--Mike Gamble (Associative Producer)

"Every decision you've made wil impact how things go. The player's also the architect of what happens."

--Mike Gamble (Associative Producer)

"You'll get answers to everything. That was one of the key things. Regardless of how we did everything, we had to say, yes, we're going to provide some answers t these people"

--Mike Gamble (Associative Producer)

"For people who are invested in these characters and the back-story of the universe and everything, all of these things come to a resolution in Mass Effect 3. And they are resolved in a way that's very different based on what you would do in those situations."

--Casey Hudson (Director)

Probably most damning of all, particularlly regarding the argument of, "It's their product, and they can end it however they want to, everyone complaining should just suck it up." 

Interviewer: "So are you guys the creators or stewards of the franchise?"
Hudson: "Umm. . . you know, at this point, I think we're co-creators with the fans. We use a lot of feedback."

--Casey Hudson (Director)

The thread I got all the quotes from: 
http://social.biowar...ndex/10204263/1 

So, I didn't get an ending that was optimal for me, I wasn't able to do what I would do at the end, I received no answers, and I certainly did not feel like an architect or co-creator. What I felt like happened was they gave me a bucket of pre-select Lego bricks, told me to build something with them, and then, after I was finished, took what I made back and rearranged it into something they wanted to make to begin with, and then proceed to get mad at my anger when they refuse to explain why I was told to make something at all. 

And to make matters worse, now the people that are complaining about the people saying the ending was ******-poor are telling said people that they shouldn't feel like the architects or co-creators because it was Bioware's work of art to do with what they saw fit---which would be fine if they say fit to make a story without any in-game input from the player, but they didn't. They saw fit to hand the narrative for each player to tell, making them, instead, the creators of many possible outcomes. 

If you want to make something to present to me, fine. But don't tell me I'm the architect, give me a pen, and then substitute my blueprints for yours when building the ultimate structure. (which, going along with the horrendous implications of the ending, is then demolished. . . what the hell was the point at all?)

People like Chrillze have to ignore all of this to support their odd notion that what we got was somehow fine.

this is so true and us  "whiners" as it has been put so many time see this for what it really is     BS 
all we wanted is what we PAID FOR yeah PAID for
 so who is the pathetic one really? 

[RaenImrahl]

This thread started poorly and went downhill. Locking.

[pablosplinter]

Denethar wrote...

The trolling is strong in this one.

Seriously, can a Mod do his job and close the thread.

A thread attacking retake and calling people who complain "entitled whiners" ......I have a feeling this thread will not be locked by mods any time soon.

MAny people reported it hours ago.

[Selene Moonsong]

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