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[Chrillze]

sargon1986 wrote...

Chrillze wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Your mother's pathetic.

that's mature of you. Seriously just leave

You just called everyone pathetic. Does that make you more mature? I don't think so. Go away troll.

ahh ''troll', we have dismissed that claim. seriously grow up and stop calling everyone that doesn't agree with you a troll

[Tony208]

Chrillze wrote...

Prent62 wrote...

Why is it whenever someone has the same point as me they go to completely wrong way about it.

Never insult people on the internet. It's much more infuriating to them if you are calm and mature.

I will be calm and mature to people that deserves it, these whiners don't deserve a calm and mature response from me

Who are you kidding? Your thread title calls people entitled and your first sentence calls them pathetic.

Then you call yourself mature? That's the most hypocritical thing I've seen today.

I'm waiting for a mod to lock this.

Modifié par Tony208, 06 avril 2012 - 10:52 .

[Rickin10]

Top strawmanning op. Bravo!

[elferin91]

Chrillze wrote...

 You are pathetic. BioWare is giving you exactly what you have been asking for: clarification, closure and blue babies and you are still whining. BioWare could have ignored you but instead they give you what you want but you ungrateful "fans" are still complaining. I have a tip for you: If you hate the ME3 ending so much(I didn't like it either) and are still rageing when they have said that they will fix it, how about you just leave the forums and stop bother the vast majority that are true fans and are happy with the extended cut. I have heard that Diablo 3 will come out within a month, maybe that can make you forget ME3?

oh you troll, you

[Lilaeth]

Chrillze wrote...

saracen16 wrote...

Chrillze wrote...

 You are pathetic. BioWare is giving you exactly what you have been asking for: clarification, closure and blue babies and you are still whining. BioWare could have ignored you but instead they give you what you want but you ungrateful "fans" are still complaining. I have a tip for you: If you hate the ME3 ending so much(I didn't like it either) and are still rageing when they have said that they will fix it, how about you just leave the forums and stop bother the vast majority that are true fans and are happy with the extended cut. I have heard that Diablo 3 will come out within a month, maybe that can make you forget ME3?

While I agree to an extent, I disagree that they are fans within quotation marks. The Retakers wouldn't be Mass Effect fans like us if they didn't react so passionately to Mass Effect 3. However, those who are reacting destructively should reconsider their course of action.

They are not fans, they are fanatics

Both words have the same root, the Latin fanaticus, ie "insanely but divinely inspired". 

Modifié par Lilaeth, 06 avril 2012 - 10:56 .

[Everwarden]

Chrillze wrote...
 you are not a fan, 

Nope, I'm not. I'm a customer. 

Though I'm actually satisfied with their response. It's far, far more charitable than I expected. They justifiably don't want to insult  their writing staff, so I can excuse the 'maintaining artistic integrity' nonsense. It's coming, it's free, and I'm happy with that. 

[ShepnTali]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...



Your mother's mature.

I like mature mothers.

[Seival]

Chrillze wrote...

 You are pathetic. BioWare is giving you exactly what you have been asking for: clarification, closure and blue babies and you are still whining. BioWare could have ignored you but instead they give you what you want but you ungrateful "fans" are still complaining. I have a tip for you: If you hate the ME3 ending so much(I didn't like it either) and are still rageing when they have said that they will fix it, how about you just leave the forums and stop bother the vast majority that are true fans and are happy with the extended cut. I have heard that Diablo 3 will come out within a month, maybe that can make you forget ME3?

Explaining the current ending will make it even more absurd. Such huge plot-holes can't be covered just by explanations.

Modifié par Seival, 06 avril 2012 - 11:01 .

[Lukanp]

Chrillze wrote...

You are pathetic.BioWare is giving you exactly what you have been asking for: clarification, closure and blue babies and you are still whining. BioWare could have ignored you but instead they give you what you want but you ungrateful "fans" are still complaining. I have a tip for you: If you hate the ME3 ending so much(I didn't like it either) and are still rageing when they have said that they will fix it, how about you just leave the forums and stop bother the vast majority that are true fans and are happy with the extended cut. I have heard that Diablo 3 will come out within a month, maybe that can make you forget ME3?

If you came up with that after reading their original statement concerning the extended endings, well then... wow.

Modifié par Lukanp, 06 avril 2012 - 11:00 .

[Pandaman102]

Chrillze wrote...

I bet there are intellectual people that wan the end changed, but I can't find their posts. all I see are people screaming att Bioware/EA and act like entitled kids

Fair enough, I've read those posts but without remembering what the titles were it's a pain in the ass to try and search for them. BSN's forum is... rather rudimentary.

I don't want to go into some long, boring post about what's wrong, but just to touch on some of the issues: extending the ending doesn't change the fact that the Starchild's explanation of the Reapers' motivation is contradicted by the Reapers' own actions (preservation of organics and civilizations, but only selectively preserves humans while destroying other civilizations, wants to prevent synthetics from destroying all organics but doesn't destroy the Geth once they become redundant), that Shepard's mute acceptance of the argument contradicts one of his/her possible personalities (a Renegade Shepard could very well agree, but a Paragon Shepard who worked hard to uplift the Geth and encourage EDI's independance should at least raise an eyebrow), or that the Crucible was actually a Reaper Off Switch despite previous statements claiming this will not be how Mass Effect ends, just to name a few.

Personally I'm disappointed that we don't have actual "wildly different" endings that are influenced by our choices like we were promised, but I never expected that to be implemented as a patch, since that simply takes too much effort and planning for a quick fix.

[Ravellion]

BioWare is giving you exactly what you have been asking for: clarification, closure and blue babies and you are still whining. BioWare could have ignored you...

But Bioware have ignored us. Only a small percentage of the retakers wanted a happy ending with blue babies. Most of us wanted different endings depending on the choices that were made earlier (which was earlier falsely said to be in the game), and one that matches the rest of the trilogy's quality of storytelling. It looks like we are not going to get this.

Now, personally, I am going to wait till summer, replay the game, and see what came out of the extended cut. But I think skepticism is only logical considering their statements.

[justlogme]

Chrillze wrote...

 You are pathetic. BioWare is giving you exactly what you have been asking for: clarification, closure and blue babies and you are still whining. BioWare could have ignored you but instead they give you what you want but you ungrateful "fans" are still complaining. I have a tip for you: If you hate the ME3 ending so much(I didn't like it either) and are still rageing when they have said that they will fix it, how about you just leave the forums and stop bother the vast majority that are true fans and are happy with the extended cut. I have heard that Diablo 3 will come out within a month, maybe that can make you forget ME3?

Please read what bioware has said before jumping to their defense. They are not fixing the endings as you claim they are merely adding some cut scenes for clarification

[Byronic-Knight]

Chrillze wrote...

Hy0ga wrote...

I'm just gonna crtl+v what I posted in another topic;

There's no clarification in the world to justify that unholy kid. Actually, there's;

If Harbinger and Soverign are rogue reapers and everything we knew about the "old machines" were lies told by the rogue Reapers. And also, no clarification can explain why Shepard just accept every single world the kid says without confrontation, questions or anything at all.

I don't care if Shepard dies. I don't care if my squad dies. I don't care if the galaxy is almost destroyed. I can live without unicorns and rainbows in my ending.

I just want it to make sense. A good written narrative that follows the ME plots and logic. And IMHO sticking with The Catalyst as a omniscient organic lover/reaper commander godly entity and is a hole so big in the story that cannot be fixed.

they can clarify the plot holes and the godchild

How? Not one bit of it makes any lick of sense.

How did Anderson get to the control room before you on the one path to said control room?

How did the Illusive Man get there? Was he hiding in a fracking broom-closet the whole time?

How in the world can the Catalyst's logic of "I created synthetics to harvest (read as exterminate and/or enslave) organics because otherwise they'll create synthetics that will eventually rebel and kill organics" possibly be justified?

Most importantly, how can aforementioned logic be presented to Shepard with absolutely no rubuttal, argument, or debate, in complete and utter contrast to the manner in which (s)he dealt with nearly every single situation presented to him/her beforehand? 

And that's leaving out the fact that everyone brought to Sol is now stranded, which will lead to another war over resources, but that can be easily fixed with some half-assed "The races present reverse-engineered the reaper tech present/worked together with the tech present to somehow manufacture drives capable of deep-space travel. Oh, and the Mass Relay explosions weren't strong enough to wipe out the systems they were present in, even though in the last game it was established that they were."

The ending doesn't matter to me anymore---and I'll reserve judgment on ME/Bioware until after this "conclusion" is released---mainly because I made my own ending more befitting (my) Shepard's character.* It took all of five minutes to formulate, immediately after I finished the game, and it includes the pseudo-mystical projection that was passed off as a plot-twist.

Honestly, they could put as much wacky sh!t as they wanted in there, as long as they can justify it at the end with a better reason than "because we said so." The fact is they broke every rule of ending-writing** and if you are trying to keep some sort of artistic integrity it would behoove you to paint a coherent, consistent picture. Don't start with clacissim and then transition to cubism at the last minute, just to get a rise out of people. Don't start making Platoon and then transition to The Fountain for the last five minutes in the hopes it will come off as deep or edgy.

And for the love of all that is sacred, don't provide me with the pieces of an Erector set, tell me I can build what I want with the parts provided, and then get pissed at me when I get angry if at the end of me tinkering, constructing, and enjoying every minute of it, you take it away and deconstruct/reconstruct it into something that you wanted to make in the first place. 

If you want to make a linear narrative that you alone are in control of, then by all means do so, but don't hand me control and then call me entitled because I want the ending that makes sense for the narrative I was told to shape instead of the ending you had in mind. 


*posted my ending in another thread: 
http://social.biowar...ndex/11070401/2 
**for rules broken 
http://www.writersdi...f-novel-endings 

Modifié par Byronic-Knight, 06 avril 2012 - 11:30 .

[Chrillze]

[quote]justlogme wrote...

[quote]Chrillze wrote...

 You are pathetic. BioWare is giving you exactly what you have been asking for: clarification, closure and blue babies and you are still whining. BioWare could have ignored you but instead they give you what you want but you ungrateful "fans" are still complaining. I have a tip for you: If you hate the ME3 ending so much(I didn't like it either) and are still rageing when they have said that they will fix it, how about you just leave the forums and stop bother the vast majority that are true fans and are happy with the extended cut. I have heard that Diablo 3 will come out within a month, maybe that can make you forget ME3?[/quote]


Please read what bioware has said before jumping to their defense. They are not fixing the endings as you claim they are merely adding some cut scenes for clarification[/quote] Sounds like fixing to me

Modifié par Chrillze, 06 avril 2012 - 11:05 .

[Rune-Chan]

Hy0ga wrote...

I'm just gonna crtl+v what I posted in another topic;

There's no clarification in the world to justify that unholy kid. Actually, there's;

If Harbinger and Soverign are rogue reapers and everything we knew about the "old machines" were lies told by the rogue Reapers. And also, no clarification can explain why Shepard just accept every single world the kid says without confrontation, questions or anything at all.

I don't care if Shepard dies. I don't care if my squad dies. I don't care if the galaxy is almost destroyed. I can live without unicorns and rainbows in my ending.

I just want it to make sense. A good written narrative that follows the ME plots and logic. And IMHO sticking with The Catalyst as a omniscient organic lover/reaper commander godly entity and is a hole so big in the story that cannot be fixed.

This. You cannot fix the Catalyst without retconning it or saying it was a hallucination/dream/indoctrination/whatever.

[DarthRic]

Modifié par DarthRic, 06 avril 2012 - 11:23 .

[IGoosI]

Chrillze wrote...

 You are pathetic. BioWare is giving you exactly what you have been asking for: clarification, closure and blue babies and you are still whining. BioWare could have ignored you but instead they give you what you want but you ungrateful "fans" are still complaining. I have a tip for you: If you hate the ME3 ending so much(I didn't like it either) and are still rageing when they have said that they will fix it, how about you just leave the forums and stop bother the vast majority that are true fans and are happy with the extended cut. I have heard that Diablo 3 will come out within a month, maybe that can make you forget ME3?

To be blunt you deserve this. Your entire message was lost with the stupidity of your first 3 words. No not everyone wanted simple clarification and your assuming there will be blue babies without any evidence. Some wanted the godchild completely removed. Your post wreaks of an inability to understand everything that was going on and trolling will get you no points in anyones eyes. Your trying to act better than others and you are collosally failing.

Chrillze wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Your mother's pathetic.

that's mature of you. Seriously just leave

Because your being so mature yourself. Seriously does your mind work this way?

[Own-u-4-life]

As I see it he is the most pathetic fan...
By writing that if you take it this seriously your pathetic...
You sir are the saddest pathetic fan.

[shepskisaac]

Machines Are Us wrote...

Hy0ga wrote...

I'm just gonna crtl+v what I posted in another topic;

There's no clarification in the world to justify that unholy kid. Actually, there's;

If Harbinger and Soverign are rogue reapers and everything we knew about the "old machines" were lies told by the rogue Reapers. And also, no clarification can explain why Shepard just accept every single world the kid says without confrontation, questions or anything at all.

I don't care if Shepard dies. I don't care if my squad dies. I don't care if the galaxy is almost destroyed. I can live without unicorns and rainbows in my ending.

I just want it to make sense. A good written narrative that follows the ME plots and logic. And IMHO sticking with The Catalyst as a omniscient organic lover/reaper commander godly entity and is a hole so big in the story that cannot be fixed.

This. You cannot fix the Catalyst without retconning it or saying it was a hallucination/dream/indoctrination/whatever.

Of course it can. Just rework the convo with him. Add questions for Shep, arguing for Shep. Ohh and BTW since when do we believe eveything Harby & Sovereign said? Who believed Sovereign when he said "Reapers have no beginning or end" lolol? If that was true, then they would be God(s). 10x worse than star child

[ShepnTali]

Own-u-4-life wrote...

As I see it he is the most pathetic fan...
By writing that if you take it this seriously your pathetic...
You sir are the saddest pathetic fan.

They benefit from those they are ****ing and moaning about. Ingrates.

[katamuro]

you know that they are not giving us anything we wanted. We wanted the starchild out and a new ending in its place. Instead we get cutscenes. We get "clarification". You know if you need to clarify the ending of a story then it was **** in the first place.

[YonatanJ]

No, you're wrong, the entire concept of the godchild fails. You can't introduce a new character in the last five minutes of the series, especially one like this that ignores the genre, the lore and the narrative coherence of the Mass Effect universe.

[Chrillze]

katamuro wrote...

you know that they are not giving us anything we wanted. We wanted the starchild out and a new ending in its place. Instead we get cutscenes. We get "clarification". You know if you need to clarify the ending of a story then it was **** in the first place.

Did you REALLY think that they would change the ending?? It's BioWares creation, I have a good idea: how about you don't buy future games and dlc from them? But you probably will anyway

[Chrillze]

YonatanJ wrote...

No, you're wrong, the entire concept of the godchild fails. You can't introduce a new character in the last five minutes of the series, especially one like this that ignores the genre, the lore and the narrative coherence of the Mass Effect universe.

I agree that the godchild was abad idea but it's not unfixable

[katamuro]

Chrillze wrote...

katamuro wrote...

you know that they are not giving us anything we wanted. We wanted the starchild out and a new ending in its place. Instead we get cutscenes. We get "clarification". You know if you need to clarify the ending of a story then it was **** in the first place.

Did you REALLY think that they would change the ending?? It's BioWares creation, I have a good idea: how about you don't buy future games and dlc from them? But you probably will anyway

no i wont, and as I stated in many other threads for a month now, I urge others to do the same. By delivering an unsatisfactory product they have relieved themselves of any cash I was willing to spend. 
And yes I AM NOT GOING TO BUY anything. Its not that hard for me.