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[LightweightJustice]

Seriously.
Just explain it to me.
What is wrong with happy endings?
Is it SO bad to have one?
Is it so cool to dwell in darkness, tears, realism and despair? Is it so cool to watch someone die?
I’m not trying to whine here, I just want some logic. Not just “it’s manlier” or “too mainstream to have good ending”. And please don’t get me wrong. I like bittersweet endings…when they are destined to happen. In ME where “your choices matter”, I would like to HAVE A CHOICE TO CHOOSE.
And what exactly do people want these days? Do they want to smile or do they want to cry?

Modifié par LightweightJustice, 06 avril 2012 - 10:38 .

[NGC1300]

There are choices but there is also theme. It ain't the Sims.

[Cogneter]

You can get a nice "survival" cutscene depending on your choices.

[LightweightJustice]

NGC1300 wrote...

There are choices but there is also theme. It ain't the Sims.

Theme? Can you be more specific?
I hope you don't mean the "Jesus and palls" theme.

Modifié par LightweightJustice, 06 avril 2012 - 10:36 .

[nhsknudsen]

I want it to make sense.

A happy ending isn't making sense in the context of the story, would diminish the threat of the Reapers. A victory without sacrifice (that we care about storywise, not billions of dead civilians faceless numbers) is worth nothing.
It just means that we were superior to the Reapers which we are not.

[NGC1300]

LightweightJustice wrote...

NGC1300 wrote...

There are choices but there is also theme. It ain't the Sims.

Theme? Can you be more specific?
I hope you don't mean the "jesus and palls" theme.

It was obvious that ME3 is doomed to have dark endings, whichever way it is. It is a war you can't win. People are doomed to die. Genocide everywhere.
 
And you expect to see a unicorn farting rainbow at the end?  don't think so.

[Biotic Sage]

NGC1300 wrote...

LightweightJustice wrote...

NGC1300 wrote...

There are choices but there is also theme. It ain't the Sims.

Theme? Can you be more specific?
I hope you don't mean the "jesus and palls" theme.

It was obvious that ME3 is doomed to have dark endings, whichever way it is. It is a war you can't win. People are doomed to die. Genocide everywhere.
 
And you expect to see a unicorn farting rainbow at the end?  don't think so.

Some people apparently like their storytelling to be inconsistent and to have jarring tonal shifts.

[Deventh]

NGC1300 wrote...

There are choices but there is also theme. It ain't the Sims.

Oh thank for your insightful comment!
This is also an rpg and choices matter (or do they?) so i want to have a happy ending.

[nhsknudsen]

Well Bioware taught us that, inconsistent storytelling and total shifts are okay really.

[YukiFA]

That's pretty funny. Becazuse a uncorn farting a rainbow is prety much what we got at the end.

Why is it so bad wanting to achieve a happy ending where Shepard survives and is reunited with their friends?

[NGC1300]

Deventh wrote...

NGC1300 wrote...

There are choices but there is also theme. It ain't the Sims.

Oh thank for your insightful comment!
This is also an rpg and choices matter (or do they?) so i want to have a happy ending.

is this still rpg? maybe rpg to some level. but not up the level where everything is possible.

[LightweightJustice]

I agree with the war theme and all aspects...but still.
Wouldn't it be nice to have some degree of happy ending?
I'm not saying that Shep should like space ninja; destroy all reapers with his eye lasers.

Modifié par LightweightJustice, 06 avril 2012 - 10:43 .

[NGC1300]

Biotic Sage wrote...

NGC1300 wrote...

LightweightJustice wrote...

NGC1300 wrote...

There are choices but there is also theme. It ain't the Sims.

Theme? Can you be more specific?
I hope you don't mean the "jesus and palls" theme.

It was obvious that ME3 is doomed to have dark endings, whichever way it is. It is a war you can't win. People are doomed to die. Genocide everywhere.
 
And you expect to see a unicorn farting rainbow at the end?  don't think so.

Some people apparently like their storytelling to be inconsistent and to have jarring tonal shifts.

aren't we talking about happy endings and not storytelling? if you want to attack, at least make it right.

Modifié par NGC1300, 06 avril 2012 - 10:42 .

[Chrillze]

I think that all the poeple that hoped for a happy ending with peace and blue babies hoped for too much and completley misssed the whole theme in ME3


And yes, I would like an ending where shepard reunites with his crew and LI

Modifié par Chrillze, 06 avril 2012 - 10:43 .

[nhsknudsen]

YukiFA wrote...

That's pretty funny. Becazuse a uncorn farting a rainbow is prety much what we got at the end.

Why is it so bad wanting to achieve a happy ending where Shepard survives and is reunited with their friends?

Nothing, but without sacrifice it cheapens the threat. If they did it like a "Dark Ritual", where it comes at a price you may not be willing to do, depending on your morality... Maybe

[Biotic Sage]

LightweightJustice wrote...

I agree with the war theme and all aspects...but still.
Wouldn't it be nice to gave some degree of happy ending?
I'm not saying that Shep should like space ninja, destroy all reapers with his eye lasers.

Isn't that "some degree of happy ending" the fact that the cycle of genocide in our galaxy has finally been broken?  How about the fact that billions of people can live out the rest of their lives without getting huskified or melted into Reaper goo or just flat out killed?  And what about the galaxy being able to determine its own path now that the Relays/Citadel are destroyed, outside of the Reapers' assigned system of control?

[NGC1300]

BringBackNihlus wrote...

NGC1300 wrote...

LightweightJustice wrote...

NGC1300 wrote...

There are choices but there is also theme. It ain't the Sims.

Theme? Can you be more specific?
I hope you don't mean the "jesus and palls" theme.

It was obvious that ME3 is doomed to have dark endings, whichever way it is. It is a war you can't win. People are doomed to die. Genocide everywhere.
 
And you expect to see a unicorn farting rainbow at the end?  don't think so.

I don't think anyone was expected a unicorn farting a rainbow, but I really don't understand why my Shepard escaping with his life and reuniting with his love interest demeans the sacrifices made throughout the game.

I understand where you're coming from and my phrase was kinda intentionally superlative. I have my own portrayal of the ending that I want, the happy one of course. But since that's not gonna happen, we'll just have to live with it. Not saying we shouldn't have happy endings at all, but I can see where Bioware is coming from.

Modifié par NGC1300, 06 avril 2012 - 10:46 .

[Drxx]

LightweightJustice wrote...


Seriously.
Just explain it to me.
What is wrong with happy endings?
Is it SO bad to have one?
Is it so cool to dwell in darkness, tears, realism and despair? Is it so cool to watch someone die?
I’m not trying to whine here, I just want some logic. Not just “it’s manlier” or “too mainstream to have good ending”. And please don’t get me wrong. I like bittersweet endings…when they are destined to happen. In ME where “your choices matter”, I would like to HAVE A CHOICE TO CHOOSE.
And what exactly do people want these days? Do they want to smile or do they want to cry?

You don't understand?
You are no artistian and bad fan.
You must buy every sh*t from bioware and thank them:lol:
And yes, i want happy ending too, but it's no art, or so they say. 

[CaribbeanCLANK]

I knew that ME3's ending would be somewhat sad and I may have to say farewell to a few friends. I really wanted my efforts to shape the game...the ending of the game was a direct result of how I playedthe game. That is the ending I wanted.

[NM_Che56]

Because it's illegal in my state...oh wait, you mean the game...carry on

[nhsknudsen]

BringBackNihlus wrote...

I don't think anyone was expected a unicorn farting a rainbow, but I really don't understand why my Shepard escaping with his life and reuniting with his love interest demeans the sacrifices made throughout the game.

What sacrifices? VS, Jenkins and Nihlus? Really? Or the dead faceless numbers we never cared about?

You need to bring the sacrifice into something we care about, be it Shepard, another crewmember or three or something equally similiar than faceless persons.

It's like when you care more, when your cat dies than when 500.000 somalis starve to death, you know its true.

Modifié par nhsknudsen, 06 avril 2012 - 10:46 .

[Biotic Sage]

NGC1300 wrote...

Biotic Sage wrote...

NGC1300 wrote...

LightweightJustice wrote...

NGC1300 wrote...

There are choices but there is also theme. It ain't the Sims.

Theme? Can you be more specific?
I hope you don't mean the "jesus and palls" theme.

It was obvious that ME3 is doomed to have dark endings, whichever way it is. It is a war you can't win. People are doomed to die. Genocide everywhere.
 
And you expect to see a unicorn farting rainbow at the end?  don't think so.

Some people apparently like their storytelling to be inconsistent and to have jarring tonal shifts.

aren't we talking about happy endings and not storytelling? if you want to attack, at least make it right.

...I thought we were too.  I was implying that a "happy ending" would be inconsistent with the rest of the trilogy.  Endings of stories do fall in the realm of storytelling after all.

[LightweightJustice]

Biotic Sage wrote...

LightweightJustice wrote...

I agree with the war theme and all aspects...but still.
Wouldn't it be nice to gave some degree of happy ending?
I'm not saying that Shep should like space ninja, destroy all reapers with his eye lasers.

Isn't that "some degree of happy ending" the fact that the cycle of genocide in our galaxy has finally been broken?  How about the fact that billions of people can live out the rest of their lives without getting huskified or melted into Reaper goo or just flat out killed?  And what about the galaxy being able to determine its own path now that the Relays/Citadel are destroyed, outside of the Reapers' assigned system of control?

I agree with the global ending. It's true that the war is over and everyting will be fine...I hope.
But what about personal ending? After all, we played as Shep, not as The Galaxy?

Modifié par LightweightJustice, 06 avril 2012 - 10:48 .

[Lukanp]

If Shepard living means we have to dump any logic that was left in the ME series... then I want him dead. Just make his sacrifice worth something.