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[RyanPun1991]

LightweightJustice wrote...

m_k wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

LightweightJustice wrote...

So you are saying that Legion's death is meaningless?
Stone cold, man. Stone cold.

He copied his memories and even his personality to the Geth. Why would I feel sad about that?

In ME2 (during his loyalty mission I think) Legion himself said that Geths' bodies are just platforms, the only important thing is the data, which can be stored.

But in ME 3 that would be imposible to do.
Even the prime geth tells you that.

Dunno why but "Prime Geth" made me 

[RyanPun1991]

Optimystic_X wrote...

RyanPun1991 wrote...
and again, obviously I care more when I
thought Grunt wasn't gonna make it, but hearing millions of people,
faceless as they may be, just got wiped out, I care too.

So you admit that you care more about 1 life than 14 million lives?

Don't feel bad - I do too, when that 1 life is a friend and the 14 million aren't. It's human nature/monkeysphere.

jumpingkaede wrote...
So:

Did you pick Destroy because Shepard lives, even knowing that it would mean killing the Geth?

Fixed that wording.

jumpingkaede wrote...
I also don't know if this helps but most of people in this thread picked Destroy because it was obvious to them as well.  

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10259635

(My thread, yes).

Sounds like most picked red because of Anderson and didn't think of the Geth at all.
And most were also looking for the "Paragon" ending, when there isn't supposed to be one.

Yes I admit I cared more about Grunt, but I think other sacrifices shouldn't be discounted, that's all.
I know what you are trying to say though.

[slowstarter]

What is so unfortunate is that if you take the fleet you must lose the Quarians, what a shame.

[naddaya]

LightweightJustice wrote...

m_k wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

LightweightJustice wrote...

So you are saying that Legion's death is meaningless?
Stone cold, man. Stone cold.

He copied his memories and even his personality to the Geth. Why would I feel sad about that?

In ME2 (during his loyalty mission I think) Legion himself said that Geths' bodies are just platforms, the only important thing is the data, which can be stored.

But in ME 3 that would be imposible to do.
Even the prime geth tells you that.

Well, ****, you're right. It sucks.

[PsyrenY]

LightweightJustice wrote...

You do understand that as a person with "soul" he lived only 10 seconds, don't you?
He copied not his mems, he copied the Reapers code. He died.  And even the Prime geth tells you that Legion is gone for good.

You're wrong.

Memories: "Our physical platform returned to the Geth Consensus beyond the Perseus Veil. Data gathered during our mission confirmed that the Old Machines' return was imminent. We planned for war."
Personality: "Direct personality dissemination required. Shepard, I must go to them. I am sorry."

Modifié par Optimystic_X, 06 avril 2012 - 04:29 .

[vlherg]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Well if you're going to doubt Bioware then why believe anything in the endings at all? Go join the Indoctrinators.

If anyone should be joining the indoctrinators it's those who believe everything they are told by someone who has already been shown to make clearly bogus statements. That sounds more like being indoctrinated.

Optimystic_X wrote...

Your "pretty sure" is still just conjecture.

Less so than thinking he could survive. What happened, did he land on Shepard's body in London? Now that would be Disney - or Looney Tunes.

Optimystic_X wrote...

For the last time, Shepard can survive if you want. I never said Shepard's death is necessary. Can you try reading comprehension just once?

Actually my Shepard can't survive because I don't do multiplayer but that's another argument. So if Shep can survive, and you clearly don't give a rat's arse about any of the other characters in the game, where is your sacrifice?

[vlherg]

Optimystic_X wrote...


Legion's death is meaningless because any geth you meet knows everything he knew. They will all befriend Shepard in a heartbeat, the one organic that trusted them. What exactly have you lost?

"Does this unit have a soul?"
Or did you miss that part of the game?

Optimystic_X wrote...

@ Anderson: Did you have him hooked up to EKG? Did you hear the flatline? No? Then you are assuming. Pass out != death.

Wow, So Mordin must be alive too! Afterall, I didn't actually see his body blown to pieces did I? So there's no reson for me to believe the explosion killed him is there? I bet right now he's performing Gilbert & Sullivan for the Krogan.

[LightweightJustice]

Optimystic_X wrote...

LightweightJustice wrote...

You do understand that as a person with "soul" he lived only 10 seconds, don't you?
He copied not his mems, he copied the Reapers code. He died.  And even the Prime geth tells you that Legion is gone for good.

You're wrong.

Memories: "Our physical platform returned to the Geth Consensus beyond the Perseus Veil. Data gathered during our mission confirmed that the Old Machines' return was imminent. We planned for war."
Personality: "Direct personality dissemination required. Shepard, I must go to them. I am sorry."

Ok. I admit. I made a statement without referring to the source.
And yet Legions death meant a lot.  At least for me. Oh, and if his death didn’t mean anything then why BioWare did so?

[nicksmi56]

I agree that a happy ending should be an option. And I mean actual endig. Not inventing the aftermath in your head like the current endings. That's fanfiction. Also the entire Disney argument is meaningless. Disney is the king of bittersweet. Fox and the Hound, Bambi, and Toy Story 3 are all good examples of this. 'EVERYBODY DIED BECAUSE LIFE SUCKS' is not a meaningful or satisfactory ending. Ever

[PsyrenY]

vlherg wrote...

If anyone should be joining the
indoctrinators it's those who believe everything they are told by
someone who has already been shown to make clearly bogus statements.
That sounds more like being indoctrinated.

Well until you get the Bioware tag on your name you're not a reliable source, sorry.

Less
so than thinking he could survive. What happened, did he land on
Shepard's body in London? Now that would be Disney - or Looney Tunes.

There's a hundred ways to handwave it, pick one.
Just because he survives doesn't mean he's not in critical condition after all.

Actually
my Shepard can't survive because I don't do multiplayer but that's
another argument. So if Shep can survive, and you clearly don't give a
rat's arse about any of the other characters in the game, where is your
sacrifice?

As I said before, I do care, please use reading comprehension. I saved everyone possible in my playthrough, it is the folks saying "but your Shepard can be incompetent and let people die!" that actually don't care.

But I care more about keeping EDI + the Geth alive, since they are the only AI in the series that are friendly to organics, than selfishly keeping myself alive. I chose Synthesis. But the beauty of the current endings is that none of them is more valid than the others, they all have benefits and drawbacks. Therefore I am happy with the DLC idea.

vlherg wrote...

"Does this unit have a soul?"
Or did you miss that part of the game?

The whole point of a soul is that you don't lose it when you die. Seriously.

Wow, So Mordin must be alive too! Afterall, I didn't actually see his body blown to pieces did I? So there's no reson for me to believe the explosion killed him is there? I bet right now he's performing Gilbert & Sullivan for the Krogan.

Prima Guide said nothing about saving Mordin, troll harder.

Modifié par Optimystic_X, 06 avril 2012 - 04:53 .

[Bantz]

see people keep saying we couldn't have a happy ending (read not disney ending but happy) because the theme was "loss and sacrifice". I disagree with this. I think those are two OF the themes but it's also about survival at any cost. Saying damn the fates I'm doing it my way. It's about shep being such a bad ass that he's able to succeed where trillions in the past have failed. It's about bringing the galaxy together to stop the greatest threat ever. It's about friendship, love, and Bromance even in the darkest of times. It's about an enemy that has no feelings, no remorse Yet in the end all that gets thrown away at the last second because some spacebrat appears and says so.

[YukiFA]

The funny thing about the Prima Guide. When it refers to saving Anderson, the "save" is in quotation marks.

And oh, wow. There is 16 different endings. Well, 8 varieties of 2 endings with small differences depending on the EMS score and which color you chose most of which being closed off forever to anyone who invested any amount of time into the multiplayer.

[PsyrenY]

"At any cost" implies sacrifice.

And Shep DID succeed "where trillions in the past have failed." The fact that doing so had drawbacks doesn't diminish his/her accomplishment.If anything, it strengthens it by proving why the Reapers were so feared beyond their ability to simply show up at the Citadel and troll the galactic government.

YukiFA wrote...

The funny thing about the Prima Guide. When it refers to saving Anderson, the "save" is in quotation marks.

And oh, wow. There is 16 different endings. Well, 8 varieties of 2 endings with small differences depending on the EMS score and which color you chose most of which being closed off forever to anyone who invested any amount of time into the multiplayer.

You lose 3% readiness per day, just stop playing for two weeks if you want the worst ending for whatever reason.

Modifié par Optimystic_X, 06 avril 2012 - 05:03 .

[LightweightJustice]

And its still doen't mean that there is no posibility for a better ending.
Sacrifice =/= only death.

[PsyrenY]

LightweightJustice wrote...

And its still doen't mean that there is no posibility for a better ending.
Sacrifice =/= only death.

There is an ending where you don't die.

I've posted this probably 8 times now.

[Shiran]

Optimystic_X wrote...

LightweightJustice wrote...

And its still doen't mean that there is no posibility for a better ending.
Sacrifice =/= only death.

There is an ending where you don't die.

I've posted this probably 8 times now.

If you have high PMS score Shepard will be alive and cerberable.

[LightweightJustice]

Optimystic_X wrote...

LightweightJustice wrote...

And its still doen't mean that there is no posibility for a better ending.
Sacrifice =/= only death.

There is an ending where you don't die.

I've posted this probably 8 times now.

I guess THIS is where we will not agree, despite logical and non-logical comments.
Let’s just call it a day, shall we?

[PsyrenY]

LightweightJustice wrote...

I guess THIS is where we will not agree, despite logical and non-logical comments.
Let’s just call it a day, shall we?

Whether you agree with me is irrelevant as it is fact.

We can disagree whether the sky is blue, but denying it just makes you look silly.

[LightweightJustice]

Optimystic_X wrote...

LightweightJustice wrote...

I guess THIS is where we will not agree, despite logical and non-logical comments.
Let’s just call it a day, shall we?

Whether you agree with me is irrelevant as it is fact.

We can disagree whether the sky is blue, but denying it just makes you look silly.

You do like to have a last word, don't you?  And if it was irrelevant you wouldn’t have answered.
I don't deny it. It's just not explained in full (that’s why I'm looking forward for Exp DLC)

[Sgt Stryker]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Meaningful sacrifice/tradeoffs can't be avoided just by "playing better." You can't save both Ashley and Kaidan; that is meaningful. People have debated it for years and are still debating it. Whereas anyone who says "I killed the Quarians!" or "I killed the Geth!" is simply trolling.

And just why the hell not? As a video game, Mass Effect is a different form of narrative than say, a movie or a novel. Why can't I be rewarded by earning a superior ending through playing better than the guy who made decisions that turn out to be poor? Note: that doesn't necessarily mean the decisions were poor when they were made.

[VoraciousBeaver]

Optimystic_X wrote...

"At any cost" implies sacrifice.

And Shep DID succeed "where trillions in the past have failed." The fact that doing so had drawbacks doesn't diminish his/her accomplishment.If anything, it strengthens it by proving why the Reapers were so feared beyond their ability to simply show up at the Citadel and troll the galactic government.

It implies the possibility of sacrifice, nothing more.

Modifié par VoraciousBeaver, 06 avril 2012 - 05:20 .

[YukiFA]

Optimystic_X wrote...
You lose 3% readiness per day, just stop playing for two weeks if you want the worst ending for whatever reason.

My "any amount of time" is actually pretty significant. For the first two weeks after the game came out I was a bit put off by the reviews some of my friends gave me about the ending (though on the plus side, I wasn't as crushed as I would've been since I lowered my expectations).

All but four of the variations require an EMS of 2800 or below. My multiplayer N7 Special Forces Team is too strong for me to get a low enough EMS score to get the crappier ending variations. That is a good thing to me, but maybe not for anyone who actually wants to see the differences between the variations.

[LightweightJustice]

YukiFA wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...
You lose 3% readiness per day, just stop playing for two weeks if you want the worst ending for whatever reason.

My "any amount of time" is actually pretty significant. For the first two weeks after the game came out I was a bit put off by the reviews some of my friends gave me about the ending (though on the plus side, I wasn't as crushed as I would've been since I lowered my expectations).

All but four of the variations require an EMS of 2800 or below. My multiplayer N7 Special Forces Team is too strong for me to get a low enough EMS score to get the crappier ending variations. That is a good thing to me, but maybe not for anyone who actually wants to see the differences between the variations.

there are no variations, exept just one.The Earth burns. I guess we  have one bad ending after all.

[YukiFA]

But the colors, man!

[slimshedim]

NGC1300 wrote...

There are choices but there is also theme. It ain't the Sims.

At least one out of 16...or 3...endings could be a happy ending. What's wrong with that?

If you want realism, where's the ending where the Reapers win?

Modifié par slimshedim, 06 avril 2012 - 05:30 .