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[LightweightJustice]

YukiFA wrote...

But the colors, man!

Why yes! how could I be so blind?
Wait! What if I'm a color blind person?

[YukiFA]

They'll be different shades of grey. THEY THOUGHT OF EVERYTHING.

[KingNothing125]

grimdark endings are just as cliche as happy endings.

[LightweightJustice]

Thank you, everyone who shared their opinion. I guess this concludes this topic.
Dark is for MANS, good is for crybabies. And no Hollywood-happy ending for Shep.
I guess I’ll go and watch Lion King. A Disney cartoon that defiantly has nothing to do with death and sacrifice.

Modifié par LightweightJustice, 06 avril 2012 - 05:42 .

[Viper371]

LightweightJustice wrote...
Is it so cool to dwell in darkness, tears, realism and despair? Is it so cool to watch someone die?
I’m not trying to whine here, I just want some logic.

Logic: life ain't fair.  More often than not, the bad guys win.  What happens is later on, when history is written by the victor, the bad guys become the good guys.

[shrimprahmen]

mmmm happy ending at the end of a chinese massage........unless you get egg shan as your masseuse..../chringes......

[PsyrenY]

KingNothing125 wrote...

grimdark endings are just as cliche as happy endings.

None of the presented endings are grimdark. Especially not since Jessica clarified:
- no starvation
- relays can be rebuilt

Constructing endless strawmen is not helping anyone.

[LightweightJustice]

That is why we need tweeter.
to clarify the endings and get more info on universe...Great...
Only the DLC will show.

Modifié par LightweightJustice, 06 avril 2012 - 05:57 .

[jumpingkaede]

slimshedim wrote...

NGC1300 wrote...

There are choices but there is also theme. It ain't the Sims.

At least one out of 16...or 3...endings could be a happy ending. What's wrong with that?

If you want realism, where's the ending where the Reapers win?

That's the Synthesis one.  Or the Control one since the Reapers are still alive. 

Optimystic_X wrote...

jumpingkaede wrote...
So:

Did you pick Destroy because Shepard lives, even knowing that it would mean killing the Geth?

Fixed that wording.

jumpingkaede wrote...
I also don't know if this helps but most of people in this thread picked Destroy because it was obvious to them as well.  

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10259635

(My thread, yes).

Sounds like most picked red because of Anderson and didn't think of the Geth at all.
And most were also looking for the "Paragon" ending, when there isn't supposed to be one.

You'd only know that Shepard lives in Destroy if you knew what the endings were ahead of time.  I assume you're polling people who picked the endings based on what the game presented to you, and considered them for the first time?

Not people who read about the endings, knew that Destroy gave you the Shepard breath scene, and picked Destroy then without giving a ____ about the consequences.

I assumed.  If not, let me know.  

Edit:  If I knew what the endings were ahead of time I'd still pick Destroy because that's the only one that gives the possibility of post-game DLC.  I don't think that's what Bioware (or you) intended though?

Modifié par jumpingkaede, 06 avril 2012 - 06:00 .

[PsyrenY]

Sgt Stryker wrote...

And just why the hell not? As a video game, Mass Effect is a different form of narrative than say, a movie or a novel. Why can't I be rewarded by earning a superior ending through playing better than the guy who made decisions that turn out to be poor? Note: that doesn't necessarily mean the decisions were poor when they were made.

"Superior ending" and "perfect golden ending" are not the same thing.

Playing better does get you superior endings. It allows you to pick destroy without charbroiling the planet, and it also unlocks Control and Synthesis. What more do you want?

[LightweightJustice]

Viper371 wrote...

LightweightJustice wrote...
Is it so cool to dwell in darkness, tears, realism and despair? Is it so cool to watch someone die?
I’m not trying to whine here, I just want some logic.

Logic: life ain't fair.  More often than not, the bad guys win.  What happens is later on, when history is written by the victor, the bad guys become the good guys.

 And then they lived long and happy life. A true heroes of the story, while other people...are irrelevant.

[PsyrenY]

jumpingkaede wrote...

You'd only know that Shepard lives in Destroy if you knew what the endings were ahead of time.  I assume you're polling people who picked the endings based on what the game presented to you, and considered them for the first time?

No, of course not. I already said the schism was due in part to people who considered red the "real ending" because Shepard has the chance to live. Even you are now saying this, with your "post-ending DLC" comment.

And if you want to really nitpick, you don't have to know the endings ahead of time to know that. Starkid only tells you point-blank that you will die for Control and Synthesis. He has no opinion on your survival chances under Destroy.

jumpingkaede wrote...
If I knew what the endings were ahead of time I'd still pick Destroy because that's the only one that gives the possibility of post-game DLC.  I don't think that's what Bioware (or you) intended though?

This is also not necessarily true. You don't have to control Shepard all the time, ME2 and the multiplayer taught us that. So even under the other endings, post-game DLC is possible.

[jumpingkaede]

Optimystic_X wrote...

And if you want to really nitpick, you don't have to know the endings ahead of time to know that. Starkid only tells you point-blank that you will die for Control and Synthesis. He has no opinion on your survival chances under Destroy.

What?  Catalyst says Destroy will destroy all synthetics and even Shepard himself is part synthetic.  

How is that not an opinion on Shepard's "survival chances"?  

[PsyrenY]

jumpingkaede wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

And if you want to really nitpick, you don't have to know the endings ahead of time to know that. Starkid only tells you point-blank that you will die for Control and Synthesis. He has no opinion on your survival chances under Destroy.

What?  Catalyst says Destroy will destroy all synthetics and even Shepard himself is part synthetic.  

How is that not an opinion on Shepard's "survival chances"? 

PART synthetic. It's still not  "you will absolutely die."

[LightweightJustice]

Optimystic_X wrote...

jumpingkaede wrote...
If I knew what the endings were ahead of time I'd still pick Destroy because that's the only one that gives the possibility of post-game DLC.  I don't think that's what Bioware (or you) intended though?

This is also not necessarily true. You don't have to control Shepard all the time, ME2 and the multiplayer taught us that. So even under the other endings, post-game DLC is possible.

Only if MP or pre-ending period...like omega or something.
Could you give an example of DLC that you thing would actually be legit in this situation?

[TekFanX]

I love happy endings.
I love sad endings.

If both are well done of course.

If Shepard would have pressed a button on the citadel and then was shot down to a giant victory-party on earth by a rainbow-colored beam with every husk being turned into the being it was before, I wouldn't feel any different about it then the teleporting squad-mates.

To be fair, I don't know what the Extended Cut will be.
The past days have made me somewhat sceptic, but I hope it turns out to be everything to complete the ending for me.
With some nice cut-scenes of fighting war assets. Or seeing the energy run through the capacitors aboard the crucible.

Also:
For me, a happy ending would may even be, if the control ending and the synthesis ending would allow Shepard to stay alive, if you bring up enough EMS.
Something, where you see Shepard with all races, not just the organic ones, looking up at the exploded Relays.

[PsyrenY]

LightweightJustice wrote...
Only if MP or pre-ending period...like omega or something.
Could you give an example of DLC that you thing would actually be legit in this situation?

What do you mean by "legit?"

[LightweightJustice]

Optimystic_X wrote...

LightweightJustice wrote...
Only if MP or pre-ending period...like omega or something.
Could you give an example of DLC that you thing would actually be legit in this situation?

What do you mean by "legit?"

That will not ruin the whole line of ME 3. That will not ruin this balance that we have now.

[rfalzar]

It's a game driven by player choice, and to not be offered a happy ending kinda goes against the fundamentals of the game mechanics, so please don't be all "Oh it would go against the theme of the game." The last two games had Shepard fighting "impossible" fights and he managed ok in those two so I don't see why there shouldn't be a "happy" ending option in this one as well. Plus if he did survive, I highly doubt it'd be happy. Shepard lost plenty of friends along the way and that would have an effect on his behavior but at least a happy ending of rebuilding/reuniting with his squad and LI would be nice.

[KingNothing125]

Optimystic_X wrote...

None of the presented endings are grimdark. Especially not since Jessica clarified:
- no starvation
- relays can be rebuilt

Right, because Jessica said so...

The dextro-based aliens marooned in the Sol system are almost certainly going to die of starvation, but as long as Jessica says they won't starve, they won't starve. Wootskies!

[LightweightJustice]

KingNothing125 wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

None of the presented endings are grimdark. Especially not since Jessica clarified:
- no starvation
- relays can be rebuilt

Right, because Jessica said so...

The dextro-based aliens marooned in the Sol system are almost certainly going to die of starvation, but as long as Jessica says they won't starve, they won't starve. Wootskies!

With due respect to Jessica...I don't buy it untill i see it.

Modifié par LightweightJustice, 06 avril 2012 - 06:26 .

[GFOX7]

 Honestly, I wanted a happy ending and it even looked like it'd be possible to get one after what happened on Rannoch.

The situation started to look like, either give the Geth their freedom and have them wipe out the Quarians in self-defense, or let the Quarians slaughter the Geth. Then what does Shepard say?

"No! No one else is going to die today!" And then brokers a peace between the two races that had been warring since before he had been born.

This outcome was not necessarily easy  to get. You had to do a lot of work to get to that point, but it was so worth it. When that scene happened I had hope for the ending, but I was tragically wrong.

I wanted a happy ending too, and I felt there should have been a way to get one, but it if there had been it should have been something you had to work for. That's what an ending should be, an outcome that the player receives as a result of all their time and work or lack of it (in the case of a downer ending). 

[PsyrenY]

LightweightJustice wrote...

That will not ruin the whole line of ME 3. That will not ruin this balance that we have now.

Without knowing your definition of "ruin" there's no way I can answer that. For me, I'm pretty sure anything they make will be good, as I enjoyed all the DLC for ME2 (well, the Hammerhead's tissue-armor was a bit frustrating) and they've only gotten better since then.

KingNothing125 wrote...

Right, because Jessica said so...

The dextro-based aliens marooned in the Sol system are almost certainly going to die of starvation, but as long as Jessica says they won't starve, they won't starve. Wootskies!

Even without her word, you do know that Quarian ships can grow food, right?

And again I ask - if you distrust the devs so much, why are you on their forums? If everything they do is lie, you are either a fool or a troll for staying here and continuing to shout your distrust from the rooftops.

[weltraumhamster89]

BringBackNihlus wrote...

I don't think anyone was expected a unicorn farting a rainbow, but I really don't understand why my Shepard escaping with his life and reuniting with his love interest demeans the sacrifices made throughout the game.

This is exactly what I think as well. "Against all odds" is ME's and Shepard's theme, nothing else. And hell yes, I wanted an somewhat "happy" (relatively, look at the f****ing galxy and everyone who died) with my LI, I couldn't believe that lousy dialogue before the last mission (where everyone cued up to talk to me one last time.. eww) would be the last Ava Shepard ever hears from her friends and from Garrus. No, just no. 

[KingNothing125]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Even without her word, you do know that Quarian ships can grow food, right?

And again I ask - if you distrust the devs so much, why are you on their forums? If everything they do is lie, you are either a fool or a troll for staying here and continuing to shout your distrust from the rooftops.

Quarian ships grow enough food for Quarians. What about the Turians? You think the Quarians are all of a sudden going to be able to squirt out twice as much food? For years? While the Turians and Quarians have to go in opposite directions to reach their home planets?

My point is, just because Jessica papers over a logistical problem doesn't fix the problem. It's a bit like a mother telling her kids the story of Humpty-Dumpty, only to reassure them at the end that, hey, it's OK, they totally put Humpty-Dumpty back together again. Don't cry.

BS.

I don't know what you're on about re: distrusting the devs and such. I'm here because I love Mass Effect, and I hate that it ended this way. Take a look around, I'm not alone.

Modifié par KingNothing125, 06 avril 2012 - 06:40 .