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[Dunmer of Redoran]

I don't see Synthesis boasting any advantages over Destroy and Control.


Defeat of the Reapers?
Destroy: Reapers gone for all eternity
Control: Reapers survive under Shepard's leadership
Synthesis: Reapers survive

Allies Surviving?
Destroy: All organics, and all non-Reaperized synthetics
Control: All beings
Synthesis: All beings

Who Loses Free Will to the Choice?
Destroy: Reapers and all Reaper tech, as they are destroyed (Geth can definitely be rebuilt; EDI not so much)
Control: Reapers, as they are puppets
Synthesis:  All beings, as organics have been made synthetic against free will and synthetics have been made organic against free will

Can Shepard Survive without "Transcending"?
Destroy: Yes
Control: No
Synthesis: No

In other words, Control boasts the same effects as Synthesis, except that it includes Reaper control and the races of the Milky Way aren't transformed.  Destroy wipes out the Reapers for good to bring safety to the Galaxy, and the Geth can be rebuilt by the Quarians, as well as Shepard retaining human form.

I guess Synthesis is nice if you don't like death and disease, but ethically...is it really right to transform all life and AI in the galaxy? Killing the Reapers may be considered "mass genocide" but the Reapers have lost their identities as distinct races and have been mass murderers for over a billion years. Just because they have the DNA of extinct races doesn't mean they are that race.

[NightHawkIL]

I chose it because honestly, on my first play through of the ending all the choices sounded the same, and synthesis was the shortest one to walk to.

[ticklefist]

I like it. I leveled up the galaxy!

[tanuki]

I don't know how anyone can accept the Synthesis ending in face value (and why the writer(s) though it's the "best" one).
For the starters, it makes you violate every living creature in the Galaxy, rewriting them against their will. Besides it's so stupid and full of space magic, my brain just refuses to accept it in any way.
Honestly, it actually feels like some bad-written fanfic of some emo teenager, who wanted "tragic and heroic" ending for her emoShepard, but didn't have enough writing skill/Mass Effect lore knowledge/basic logic and couldn't think of anything other than that Green Beams of Light through Shepard's "essence" (WTF?) and power of love space magic [whatever it is] suddenly transform everyone into cyborgs. Reapers are forgiven and everyone lives happily ever after.

[MOIST N FLUFFY]

I chose synthesis at first, but as I walked towards it I stopped and moved towards the left to control, then to the right towards destroy, and then decided that I might as well stick with my first choice because it seemed like the paragon thing to do. It eliminated the possibility of death/conflict/war, or so it seemed. In actuality, when I made that decision I thought that it would kill all beings, synthetic and organic alike, and recreate new beings that were combinations of the two. So I willingly walked into the beam thinking that I was killing everything, but that the net worth of the action would justify the means. So when I was the only one who died and I saw that it somehow reconfigured existing beings, I was relieved. Also confused.

[ticklefist]

Ashley_82 wrote...

I don't know how anyone can accept the Synthesis ending in face value (and why the writer(s) though it's the "best" one).
For the starters, it makes you violate every living creature in the Galaxy, rewriting them against their will. Besides it's so stupid and full of space magic, my brain just refuses to accept it in any way.
Honestly, it actually feels like some bad-written fanfic of some emo teenager, who wanted "tragic and heroic" ending for her emoShepard, but didn't have enough writing skill/Mass Effect lore knowledge/basic logic and couldn't think of anything other than that Green Beams of Light through Shepard's "essence" (WTF?) and power of love space magic [whatever it is] suddenly transform everyone into cyborgs. Reapers are forgiven and everyone lives happily ever after.

Just making sure I got this right. Quality aside, the problem is that it's a happy ending?

[RoninTX]

Well the control ending was something I felt was wrong because if TIM could not control them and Shepard being in so much contact, why should he able to do that?

And you become one with the reapers, so basically you become that kids toy..so no cycle broken.

with the destroy ending I effectively kill every person who has machines in their body...not just the GETH. MY shepard is not a mass-murderer.

So only thing I could do was Synthesis, although I did NOT like it at all and left me empty in my soul for forcing this upon everyone in the universe :'(

[Sulious Vandomar]

I'll be honest, I chose destroy first because that's what I was there to do. Then I saw the relays were destroyed.

I thought, "Oh, crap! I just killed everyone! That's horrible! I'll go back and do that synthesis ending. It seems like it'll $%*& over less people."

Then I saw the relays blow up. Again.

Seriously, what the hell?

[MattFini]

ticklefist wrote...

Ashley_82 wrote...

I don't know how anyone can accept the Synthesis ending in face value (and why the writer(s) though it's the "best" one).
For the starters, it makes you violate every living creature in the Galaxy, rewriting them against their will. Besides it's so stupid and full of space magic, my brain just refuses to accept it in any way.
Honestly, it actually feels like some bad-written fanfic of some emo teenager, who wanted "tragic and heroic" ending for her emoShepard, but didn't have enough writing skill/Mass Effect lore knowledge/basic logic and couldn't think of anything other than that Green Beams of Light through Shepard's "essence" (WTF?) and power of love space magic [whatever it is] suddenly transform everyone into cyborgs. Reapers are forgiven and everyone lives happily ever after.

Just making sure I got this right. Quality aside, the problem is that it's a happy ending?

Is it happy, though?  I mean, part of my problem is how MASS EFFECT is suddenly boiled down to an organics vs. synthetics-only debate at the end.

With synthesis, there are still Turians, Krogans, Salarians, etc.  Only they've all got a little synthetic in them now.  But what's to prevent them from raging/warring with one another again?  

It seems to me the synthesis only infers a total happy ending if you buy into the fact that ME was always only about organics vs. synthetics.

[Team Value]

I chose it because...by that point, I didn't care. None of the options were acceptable. My "cannon" Shep would not do any of them, but I decided to go ahead and pick one just to get it over with and the green option was in the middle.

[Ieldra]

ticklefist wrote...
I like it. I leveled up the galaxy!

:lol:
ROFL. That's a nice way to put it. And basically correct.

[SLana]

I just don't believe in green space magic, not a bit! It is too far and in wrong direction from science fiction.

[TheBlackPigeon]

That's easy, OP.

Synthesis was the only real choice that made sense for me. I wasn't exactly ready and willing to commit synthetic genocide, because that would make me just as bad as the Reapers. And, more importantly, it would break poor Joker's heart. Controlling them seemed cool at first, but there's also that possibility that I could go crazy from being all by my lonesome up on the Citadel and decide that wiping out entire civilizations is actually a great idea. PHHHRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRNNNNT! 

Now, Synthesis? That's what's up. My doo, Saren? Doo had the right idea, word? But see, Saren was kind of a jerk, though. Shepard? Shepard was a good man/woman. S/he always did the right thing. Helping people, no matter their race or gender. Always striving to be the best. And now you're telling me that I have a chance to release my very essence into every living being in the galaxy, and make them all evolve into something better? DAY-UM! That is the JUMP-OFF, right there! 

Damn right I jumped into that beam of light, with a quiet smile on my face. Because now I'm inside ere'body! I spread my space genes all over the known universe, like a ragin' climax. All that glowin' tech stuff you got on your arms and legs? All me, doe. Don't gotta worry about that Vrolik's anymore, Joker. I gotcha back, son! Your joint's mad bolstered now. Garrus? Tali? Doe's ain't gonna starve on Fantasy Island. Im'a rewrite a y'all insides so that y'all able to eat any kind of food without going into shock, i'ight? And take that helmet off, Tali baby. Don't need that jawn no mo....I GOT 'CHU. And all you robots and AIs? Now you got that human spirit in y'all. We gon' have you poppin 'n lockin like a straight up bawss. Mad money, son.

It's all good, man. We're gonna rebuild. We're gonna survive. We're gonna thrive. Now, I don't know what the future's gonna hold, I'll give you that. But at least the playing field is level, and everyone has a fair shot. That's my personal take on it.

Peace, yo.

[wicked_being]

I chose Synthesis on one of my playthroughs because:

- I didn't want to kill the Geth and EDI

- As partly synthetic, maybe everyone will become smarter and would know how to build mass relays in like..a week. Or tweak FTL drives so it'll be triple (or higher) speed.

- If rebuilding the mass relays isn't a viable option, perhaps being partly synthetic would mean the quarians and the turians won't starve because they are now capable of consuming food on Earth. That or perhaps they don't even have to eat anymore? (what do you think Geth would eat anyway?)

- Perhaps being partly synthetic would mean way longer lifespan. That way everyone could survive the journey and live to see their home planet again.

- If the Reapers do come back, perhaps being partly synthetic would give the galaxy a better fighting chance...that is of course if the Reapers can't mind-control synthetics.


Too many maybe's and perhaps, that's why I don't like the ending.

[Evrathiel]

Destroy kills the Geth and EDI so I ruled that out straight away.

Control was tempting but there was simply not enough information to know if Shep wouldn't eventually go bonkers and deem the cycle necessary and start it all over again.

Synthesis removes the whole reason for the cycle.

[ticklefist]

MattFini wrote...

ticklefist wrote...

Ashley_82 wrote...

I don't know how anyone can accept the Synthesis ending in face value (and why the writer(s) though it's the "best" one).
For the starters, it makes you violate every living creature in the Galaxy, rewriting them against their will. Besides it's so stupid and full of space magic, my brain just refuses to accept it in any way.
Honestly, it actually feels like some bad-written fanfic of some emo teenager, who wanted "tragic and heroic" ending for her emoShepard, but didn't have enough writing skill/Mass Effect lore knowledge/basic logic and couldn't think of anything other than that Green Beams of Light through Shepard's "essence" (WTF?) and power of love space magic [whatever it is] suddenly transform everyone into cyborgs. Reapers are forgiven and everyone lives happily ever after.

Just making sure I got this right. Quality aside, the problem is that it's a happy ending?

Is it happy, though?  I mean, part of my problem is how MASS EFFECT is suddenly boiled down to an organics vs. synthetics-only debate at the end.

With synthesis, there are still Turians, Krogans, Salarians, etc.  Only they've all got a little synthetic in them now.  But what's to prevent them from raging/warring with one another again?  

It seems to me the synthesis only infers a total happy ending if you buy into the fact that ME was always only about organics vs. synthetics.

Eh, some strong points there. As far as the illusion of peace simply because of a shared trait, yeah that's not going to hold up to much scrutiny. I mean we all had blood, that didn't seem to prevent us from getting into the occasional scrap. I get you. I'm pickin up what you've put down.

[DESTRAUDO]

Ieldra2 wrote...

ticklefist wrote...
I like it. I leveled up the galaxy!

:lol:
ROFL. That's a nice way to put it. And basically correct.

Tech armour for everyone! hurrah! 

[Blarghonk]

I want to be a cyborg -.- transhumanism ftw. But then I thought about the indoc theory and replayed to destroy, but cant bring myself to replay the ending.

[linkrulesx10]

cause destroy would kill edi D:

[Valk72]

The synthesis choice is... well weird, i can't help but think about Saren, and it's not really a good example for synthesis.

[Elite Midget]

I had to see all the colors to make sure that all the endings were the same.

[KGBrAm]

Because I find the concept of a Technological Singularity fascinating and want to see how it would play out in the ME universe.

http://mindstalk.net...vinge-sing.html  and  http://en.wikipedia....cal_singularity


The first link is a summary of a NASA sponsored lecture on the subject. The second, well, we all know WIki.

[KGBrAm]

ticklefist wrote...

I like it. I leveled up the galaxy!

Love the avatar also.

[darthclide]

My first time, I spent 15 minutes or so deciding, and went with Destroy. I felt that this is what the real Shephard would do (granted, he would have said f you starchild, but that is besides the point). I went with it, saw how horrible the ending was, and decided to go back and do the other 2 choices.

I realized right away that Edi would die if I chose Destroy, and I also didn't like "control" because I saw what ended up with Saren, and the Illusive Man. That left me with only 1 choice to save Edi... Unless they change the ending (which it turns out they probably aren't), I will be sticking with that choice, because I don't want Edi to die...

[Kadi]

darkhorsedan72 wrote...

 I find it strange that this choice isn't open to you if your EMS rating isn't high enough, despite it being, in my opinion, the worst choice to make.

The reasons for this are many, but my primary beef with this choice is that the only valid reason I can see for choosing Synthesis is that you completely believe what the Starchild is saying, although for many of us, our experiences over the course of the game will likely have you thinking differently.

Like in many people's playthroughs the Geth and the Quarians would have made peace, and there is also of course EDI, who does everything in her power to look after the safety and well being of the Normandy crew. With that sort of evidence you're going to find it hard to believe the so called wisdom of a being you've only recently been made an acquaintance with. A being who for all intents and purposes has been the mastermind of your destruction since the story began. 

So yeah, I guess I'm looking for feedback (and perhaps a friendly debate) from people who chose this ending as the best possible option because I'm of the opinion it isn't.

(I understand there's a good chance this post will be buried under the current backlash of the DLC extended cut announcement)

Before seeing and follwoing the Indoctrination theory I chose Synthesis choice.

Controlling the reapers was not an option for me, 1 It was a direct Contradiction of my Shepard, and the Choices I made with Her. 2 I didnt want to control the enemey in fear that Shepard couldve ended up a pawn of the Catalyst, and may have continued the cycle.

Destroying the Reapers meant also destroying the Geth, and EDI. and after the work I had put in I did not think that sacrifice was worth it.

I chose Synthesis, Because while Organics may loose some of what makes them who they are, atleast it minimised casulties and allowed for us to potentially live in harmony with them, and Ive had my share of discriminations and predujuices made to me IRL to know Id rather we all could co-exist  together, making a better world then not at all. Sure space magic isnt explained, how it is even possible to merge genetic DNA with AI Code
unless they meant it just united the bodied Synthetics that have Organic proponents in them aswell? which still doesnt explain how it worked, but if its reaper tech or somthing more than what we can understand then I dont mind (the Force in Starwars, the Blackhole tech theory in Event Horizon confuse the hell out of me, but they are neither here nor there lol)

Though I do realise merging is against the free will of others, which makes me sad =(

I chose Destroy in the finish as well I dont know what to expect of the the future DLC, Indoctrination theory swayed me over, so for now though ive 2 saves im comfortable with.

*edit- added the last 2 sentences*.

Modifié par Eleventhchild, 07 avril 2012 - 12:05 .