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[Paulus magintie]

By falsely advertising the game to have and do certain things and then failed to follow up with their statements. That is illegal in the UK and quite frankly I don't think Bioware actually understands what they have actually done.

We see them here telling us "Its the ending we wanted and intended" even though we where told there would be 16 endings (Im sure that was BS anyway) but we where told no A,B,C choices and we got that.

Anyone in the UK could actually file a lawsuit against Bioware for this. So why on earth is Bioware sticking with their guns claim they are listening to the fanbase only to ignore them anyway?

They are in deep water already and some guy in the USA filed a complaint about bioware about their false advertising. Why is it only the fan base that can see this?

[demersel]

It is illegal not only in the UK.

[BurnOutBrighter]

Pre-release developer quotes

Yeah, this would be illegal here in New Zealand too. False advertising.

Modifié par BurnOutBrighter, 06 avril 2012 - 11:31 .

[Paulus magintie]

demersel wrote...

It is illegal not only in the UK.

Well I don't know which countries so I only mentioned the UK since im from there.

[AkiKishi]

Paulus magintie wrote...

By falsely advertising the game to have and do certain things and then failed to follow up with their statements. That is illegal in the UK and quite frankly I don't think Bioware actually understands what they have actually done.

We see them here telling us "Its the ending we wanted and intended" even though we where told there would be 16 endings (Im sure that was BS anyway) but we where told no A,B,C choices and we got that.

Anyone in the UK could actually file a lawsuit against Bioware for this. So why on earth is Bioware sticking with their guns claim they are listening to the fanbase only to ignore them anyway?

They are in deep water already and some guy in the USA filed a complaint about bioware about their false advertising. Why is it only the fan base that can see this?

While it would be worth filing with trading standards. Legal action would only work if they refused to refund your money based on the false advertising.

Games could definately do with some more regulation rather than this idea that they can just patch stuff in later.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 06 avril 2012 - 11:32 .

[Paulus magintie]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Paulus magintie wrote...

By falsely advertising the game to have and do certain things and then failed to follow up with their statements. That is illegal in the UK and quite frankly I don't think Bioware actually understands what they have actually done.

We see them here telling us "Its the ending we wanted and intended" even though we where told there would be 16 endings (Im sure that was BS anyway) but we where told no A,B,C choices and we got that.

Anyone in the UK could actually file a lawsuit against Bioware for this. So why on earth is Bioware sticking with their guns claim they are listening to the fanbase only to ignore them anyway?

They are in deep water already and some guy in the USA filed a complaint about bioware about their false advertising. Why is it only the fan base that can see this?

While it would be worth filing with trading standards. Legal action would only work if they refused to refund your money based on the false advertising.

Games could definately do with some more regulation rather than this idea that they can just patch stuff in later.

I don't think its the patch later thing thats the problem its the whole "Ingore what we told you this is what we wanted now shut up" that is the problem.

They must've know it was illegal to do what they did and yet they stand by it, they where planning to screw us over from day 1 as far as im concerned.

[demersel]

Ok, so make them refund the money. I do want my money back. And my time. My time is worth a lot, and i spent like 70 hours of it.

[Iron Spetsnaz]

Actually I thnik it would only work for things that can cause harm to people if some things are not made properly and they are advertised as being safe, and also UK trading standards will hardly give a damn about a video game as they have much more important things to do, although with the UK government as it is I wouldn't be too suprised if a lawsuit did go through and the person who filed it won.

[GizmoKodiak]

Actually... Its all legit. I don't think in any of their "official" posters, commercials, or marketing do they actually state things they didn't deliver. I'm not talking interviews or what developers have said. I'm talking actual marketing, like tv commercials and what is on the box. If someone can find anything to the contrary, then they could claim false advertising. Otherwise it's just heresay.

[SeefPanda]

this is getting ridiculous.

really now guys, a class action lawsuit because you didnt like the ending. just trade the damn thing in for another game that youll be equally dissatisfied with.

for the love of god, if this is what we've come to i wish there was a choice to allow earth to be harvested.

[MadMatt910]

Technically they provided everything in the initial description. Just to the absolute lowest standard possible. There are actually 16 endngs but they are really really similar, with tiny changes like if the buildings are standing in london in the final cutscene.

The lesson to be learned is that whatever bioware says, this is the standard it will be executed to.

[DayusMakhina]

Pre-release developer statements would not hold up in any court of law I'm afraid, such statements are always subject to change (and generally more often than not this is stated somewhere) and as such are not accountable as false advertising.

[AkiKishi]

Iron Spetsnaz wrote...

Actually I thnik it would only work for things that can cause harm to people if some things are not made properly and they are advertised as being safe, and also UK trading standards will hardly give a damn about a video game as they have much more important things to do, although with the UK government as it is I wouldn't be too suprised if a lawsuit did go through and the person who filed it won.

http://www.tradingstandards.gov.uk/

That is where you are wrong. They give a damn about all sorts things. Seeing video games as trival is part of the problem.

[Paulus magintie]

Iron Spetsnaz wrote...

Actually I thnik it would only work for things that can cause harm to people if some things are not made properly and they are advertised as being safe, and also UK trading standards will hardly give a damn about a video game as they have much more important things to do, although with the UK government as it is I wouldn't be too suprised if a lawsuit did go through and the person who filed it won.

False advertising or deceptive advertising is the use of false or misleading statements in advertising.
As advertising has the potential to persuade people into commercial
transactions that they might otherwise avoid, many governments around
the world use regulations to control false, deceptive or misleading
advertising. "Truth" refers to essentially the same concept, that
customers have the right to know what they are buying, and that all necessary information should be on the label.
False advertising, in the most blatant of contexts, is illegal in
most countries. However, advertisers still find ways to deceive
consumers in ways that are legal, or technically illegal but
unenforceable.

[AkiKishi]

DayusMakhina wrote...

Pre-release developer statements would not hold up in any court of law I'm afraid, such statements are always subject to change (and generally more often than not this is stated somewhere) and as such are not accountable as false advertising.

Any statement made after the gold date would.

[Iron Spetsnaz]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Iron Spetsnaz wrote...

Actually I thnik it would only work for things that can cause harm to people if some things are not made properly and they are advertised as being safe, and also UK trading standards will hardly give a damn about a video game as they have much more important things to do, although with the UK government as it is I wouldn't be too suprised if a lawsuit did go through and the person who filed it won.

http://www.tradingstandards.gov.uk/

That is where you are wrong. They give a damn about all sorts things. Seeing video games as trival is part of the problem.

OK then, I'm wrong on that point, but even so they will still put it on their "Low priority" list

[demersel]

MadMatt910 wrote...

Technically they provided everything in the initial description. Just to the absolute lowest standard possible. There are actually 16 endngs but they are really really similar, with tiny changes like if the buildings are standing in london in the final cutscene.

The lesson to be learned is that whatever bioware says, this is the standard it will be executed to.

Not 16. 

7 in total.

And official interveiws count as marketing materials. 

[SystemsAlliance]

It's illegal anywhere in the world. Although none of us willing to file a class-action suit, we can punish Bioware severely by not buying any of their other products, or at least, no other Mass Effect products.

Mass Effect is already done for. Let's just imagine our own ending. It's our own story, remember?

[Paulus magintie]

SeefPanda wrote...

this is getting ridiculous.

really now guys, a class action lawsuit because you didnt like the ending. just trade the damn thing in for another game that youll be equally dissatisfied with.

for the love of god, if this is what we've come to i wish there was a choice to allow earth to be harvested.

Hey I didn't say I was going to I was pointing out that its a legititimate choice.

Somebody already did that anyway in America. Im not happy with the ending and how Bioware just told us to shut up and deal with it.

But doesn't mean im going to go out of my way for it to be changed. Mass effect was my 1st and now last Bioware game and im going to avoid EA games to.

[vertigo72]

Hi, I m'a lawyer, give me your money I will make you win. Send money now.

[bennyjammin79]

Ah, this old chestnut again.

[Sarah_SR2]

If you read the strategy guide there are 16 possible outcomes to the game and these revolve around combinations of Earth is destroyed/Earth is saved and Shepard lives/Shepard dies. Which one you get depends upon your EMS, your reputation level, a certain key choice you made in ME2 and which of the red, green or blue option you choose after speaking to the star child. There are 16 endings (not including who survives the Normandy crash) and the way I see it no advertising laws have been broken. But as I said, that's just the way I see it but feel free to your own opinions of course...

[Erixxxx]

If you have such a problem with it, band together and sue them.

[Suikoden]

demersel wrote...

MadMatt910 wrote...

Technically they provided everything in the initial description. Just to the absolute lowest standard possible. There are actually 16 endngs but they are really really similar, with tiny changes like if the buildings are standing in london in the final cutscene.

The lesson to be learned is that whatever bioware says, this is the standard it will be executed to.

Not 16. 

7 in total.

And official interveiws count as marketing materials. 

Look in the Origin install folder for Mass Effect 3.  There's EXACTLY 16 different ending movies - all of which are in the game.  16 different endings - subtle differences, yes - but still 16 different endings.