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Iron Spetsnaz wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Iron Spetsnaz wrote...

Actually I thnik it would only work for things that can cause harm to people if some things are not made properly and they are advertised as being safe, and also UK trading standards will hardly give a damn about a video game as they have much more important things to do, although with the UK government as it is I wouldn't be too suprised if a lawsuit did go through and the person who filed it won.


http://www.tradingstandards.gov.uk/

That is where you are wrong. They give a damn about all sorts things. Seeing video games as trival is part of the problem.



OK then, I'm wrong on that point, but even so they will still put it on their "Low priority" list


Why do you think that?

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Sarah_SR2 wrote...

If you read the strategy guide there are 16 possible outcomes to the game and these revolve around combinations of Earth is destroyed/Earth is saved and Shepard lives/Shepard dies. Which one you get depends upon your EMS, your reputation level, a certain key choice you made in ME2 and which of the red, green or blue option you choose after speaking to the star child. There are 16 endings (not including who survives the Normandy crash) and the way I see it no advertising laws have been broken. But as I said, that's just the way I see it but feel free to your own opinions of course...

16 endings? I would like to see them to be honest.

The ending (is after being hit by the reaper) is pretty much the same and everybody gets it unless your EMS is high enough.

Saying some people may turn up at earth without a certain race or without the destiny accension is not the ending. Also I would not consider the 3 people leaving the normandy to be different hell its illogical anyway how can you even defend that?

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So why on earth is Bioware sticking with their guns claim they are listening to the fanbase only to ignore them anyway?

Well, that would be an admission of false advertising, wouldn't it? Instead they just state the product is exactly as described, which is just stupid.

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Iron Spetsnaz

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Cooymans wrote...

Iron Spetsnaz wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Iron Spetsnaz wrote...

Actually I thnik it would only work for things that can cause harm to people if some things are not made properly and they are advertised as being safe, and also UK trading standards will hardly give a damn about a video game as they have much more important things to do, although with the UK government as it is I wouldn't be too suprised if a lawsuit did go through and the person who filed it won.


http://www.tradingstandards.gov.uk/

That is where you are wrong. They give a damn about all sorts things. Seeing video games as trival is part of the problem.



OK then, I'm wrong on that point, but even so they will still put it on their "Low priority" list


Why do you think that?



Isn't it obvious?

It's a Video-Game,

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Cooymans wrote...

Iron Spetsnaz wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Iron Spetsnaz wrote...

Actually I thnik it would only work for things that can cause harm to people if some things are not made properly and they are advertised as being safe, and also UK trading standards will hardly give a damn about a video game as they have much more important things to do, although with the UK government as it is I wouldn't be too suprised if a lawsuit did go through and the person who filed it won.


http://www.tradingstandards.gov.uk/

That is where you are wrong. They give a damn about all sorts things. Seeing video games as trival is part of the problem.



OK then, I'm wrong on that point, but even so they will still put it on their "Low priority" list


Why do you think that?


Because he thinks games are trivial. What he's not realising is that on release days games will outsell most other products ,that makes them a very big blip on the radar.
I've never had a problem getting a refund though, and most people will just sell the game at a £10 loss and buy something new rather than complain.

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Paulus magintie wrote...

16 endings? I would like to see them to be honest.

The ending (is after being hit by the reaper) is pretty much the same and everybody gets it unless your EMS is high enough.

Saying some people may turn up at earth without a certain race or without the destiny accension is not the ending. Also I would not consider the 3 people leaving the normandy to be different hell its illogical anyway how can you even defend that?


Well, you are free to follow the strategy guide and find all 16 endings yourself.

Nobody stated how different the endings would be nor is that a legal requirement that defines different, but hey, try the courts or trading standards offices, I'm sure they'll be happy to enlighten you.

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If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything. There is nothing wrong with having ethical standards, there is nothing wrong with calling out bad business practices and saving the world, by doing other things, at the same time.

My ethical standards involve human rights, animal rights and environmental concerns. Consumer rights come into practice when im sold a broken product. Mass effect worked for me all throughout the 36 hours my first playthrough took. I didnt like the ending, but i felt that paying a pound an hour to be entertained was money well spent. Others dont feel that way, fine. So move on. However if you feel the need to bankroll a class action lawsuit to get to the letter what you want from an entertainment outlet, its yourmoney to burn.

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Iron Spetsnaz wrote...

Cooymans wrote...

Iron Spetsnaz wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Iron Spetsnaz wrote...

Actually I thnik it would only work for things that can cause harm to people if some things are not made properly and they are advertised as being safe, and also UK trading standards will hardly give a damn about a video game as they have much more important things to do, although with the UK government as it is I wouldn't be too suprised if a lawsuit did go through and the person who filed it won.


http://www.tradingstandards.gov.uk/

That is where you are wrong. They give a damn about all sorts things. Seeing video games as trival is part of the problem.



OK then, I'm wrong on that point, but even so they will still put it on their "Low priority" list


Why do you think that?



Isn't it obvious?

It's a Video-Game,


So?

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beutelmarkus wrote...



Look in the Origin install folder for Mass Effect 3.  There's EXACTLY 16 different ending movies - all of which are in the game.  16 different endings - subtle differences, yes - but still 16 different endings.


That's strange, I watched all endings on youtube and besides 3 colors and post Normandy, I didn't notice a single difference.
You must reallly look hard and many times to notice I guess.

Also...no Elcor with back mounted weapons.
No geth prime platoon.
No any war asset whatsoever...
:unsure:

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You people have a strange notion of law and advertising. When a company says, "We know you will love our product"... and then you don't. That is NOT false advertising.

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Navasha wrote...

You people have a strange notion of law and advertising. When a company says, "We know you will love our product"... and then you don't. That is NOT false advertising.

Rachni will help you when the time comes.

"Oh look they are now out enemies even if we kill the Queen" and "Oh look no Rachni help".

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Navasha wrote...

You people have a strange notion of law and advertising. When a company says, "We know you will love our product"... and then you don't. That is NOT false advertising.


That's not advertising under the definition. It's like "tastiest chicken ever" 

Something like
"Is there a Reaper win ending" ? 
"Yes" 

That is false advertising if you bought the product and there was no Reaper win ending.

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beutelmarkus wrote...
Look in the Origin install folder for Mass Effect 3. There's EXACTLY 16 different ending movies - all of which are in the game. 16 different endings - subtle differences, yes - but still 16 different endings.

Let's put this in a way you can understand: If you have a sandwich, and cut it in half, do you get two sandwiches?

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BobSmith101 wrote...

Navasha wrote...

You people have a strange notion of law and advertising. When a company says, "We know you will love our product"... and then you don't. That is NOT false advertising.


That's not advertising under the definition. It's like "tastiest chicken ever" 

Something like
"Is there a Reaper win ending" ? 
"Yes" 

That is false advertising if you bought the product and there was no Reaper win ending.


Who's to say that Control isn't the Reapers winning? Or heck, even Synthesis? With Synthesis there will be no more organic vs. synthetic wars, which is what the Reapers have been trying to accomplish. If you choose Synthesis, their struggle is over. They did win.

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ok ok you take a piece of brown poo and paint it red, green, blue does it change the fact that it's still poo?

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Navasha wrote...

You people have a strange notion of law and advertising. When a company says, "We know you will love our product"... and then you don't. That is NOT false advertising.


That's correct.  However, that's not the statement Bioware made.  They promised endings that were not going to be like the TV show Lost...customers would not be left with more questions than answers.  Plots would be resolved.  It was advertised as the conclusion to the Mass Effect trilogy.  In reality, the ending left so many questions unanswered, and asked a ton of questions in the last 10 minutes that were never in the series.  It copletely failed to live up to the pre-release claim that Bioware made.

I returned my copy, opened, to Amazon for a full refund.  In addition to the ending, I felt that Bioware's promise that single player only play could access all ending content was broken.  Over a month after release, the best official response Bioware can offer is a single "It can be done" reply, which was later edited to state "you can get the best ending just using single-player."  The question has been asked numerous times...directly by me, amongst others...and seemingly the closest Bioware will come to addressing the issue is to have other customers post alleged messages from a Bioware tech claiming that it's possible.  This isn't a story issue that discussing would spoil some element of the game for potential players.  Bioware, among the many mistakes they have made, declined to issue any kind of corrective statement on this charge.  How difficult would it be for them to simply state how many total War Assets are available in the game?  It would have gone a long way to quiet many of these claims.  And while their near silence on the matter is not an admission of guilt, when you have customers returning their opened games for a full refund, it certainly is very supportive of the claim.

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It would be interesting to see a lawyer or a judge - someone with legal know-how and a huge Mass Effect fan - evaluate this whole situation.

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Mutineer81 wrote...

It would be interesting to see a lawyer or a judge - someone with legal know-how and a huge Mass Effect fan - evaluate this whole situation.


The only way it would ever likely come to court is if something like the FTC issued a compulsory recall.

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However if you feel the need to bankroll a class action lawsuit to get to the letter what you want from an entertainment outlet, its yourmoney to burn.


I agree perfectly.

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AlexMBrennan wrote...

beutelmarkus wrote...
Look in the Origin install folder for Mass Effect 3. There's EXACTLY 16 different ending movies - all of which are in the game. 16 different endings - subtle differences, yes - but still 16 different endings.

Let's put this in a way you can understand: If you have a sandwich, and cut it in half, do you get two sandwiches?


Absolutely brilliant. Kudos, sir.

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I'd file a class action lawsuit but in ireland i doubt i'll find a big number of supporters
Might use my uk birth and join in on one filed there ha.

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If comments made in interviews counted as false advertising, Peter Molyneux would have been arrested a long time ago.

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Mutineer81 wrote...

It would be interesting to see a lawyer or a judge - someone with legal know-how and a huge Mass Effect fan - evaluate this whole situation.


I concur.

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If you think it is, get onto trading standards and the Advertising Standards Authority. You will fail if you try it though. Invitation to treat and all that. (I hate contract law)

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Mutineer81 wrote...

It would be interesting to see a lawyer or a judge - someone with legal know-how and a huge Mass Effect fan - evaluate this whole situation.


I've had a lawyer look over it already here in NZ. Found enough issues to start dispute paperwork due to the problems. Won't hear anything back until after the long weekend but w/e. Stuff being done, good enough for now.