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[Foryou]

Paulus magintie wrote...

By falsely advertising the game to have and do certain things and then failed to follow up with their statements. That is illegal in the UK and quite frankly I don't think Bioware actually understands what they have actually done.

We see them here telling us "Its the ending we wanted and intended" even though we where told there would be 16 endings (Im sure that was BS anyway) but we where told no A,B,C choices and we got that.

Anyone in the UK could actually file a lawsuit against Bioware for this. So why on earth is Bioware sticking with their guns claim they are listening to the fanbase only to ignore them anyway?

They are in deep water already and some guy in the USA filed a complaint about bioware about their false advertising. Why is it only the fan base that can see this?

Wow your really gettting nitpicky with false advertisement.

[Fenderbaum]

*sighs*....

Why do these threads keep cropping up?

You acepted the EULA by installing the game. If you're in North America, you are SoL regarding suing EA.

Secondly, the most you will get is fraudulently obtaining money by misleading comments from the devs.

Thirdly, you never bought anything, neither do you own anything. All you paid for was the right to 'use' the product, the same as with film and music. Nothing more.

Finally (to people who still understand this)....Bioware is not a company anymore, you cannot sue what is not there.  Bioware exists purely as a trading name now, a tax dodge.   They are a 'division' of EA now.  They are 'owned wholly' by EA. 

The EULA is EA's...not Bioware's.

You have no contract or agreement or anything with Bioware.  It is EA.

Modifié par Fenderbaum, 06 avril 2012 - 06:32 .

[ShiftyEffect]

Alerithon wrote...

ShiftyEffect wrote...

Cutlass Jack wrote...

Alerithon wrote...

See, this argument misses the point.  It's the difference between saying "our car is the most comfortable ride you'll ever have," and "our car comes with 4 wheels," when in fact it only has 3.  One is a matter of opinion, and the subject of fluff or puffery.  The second is a false claim about the content of the car.

You're missing my point. If you spent 70 hours playing a game, it couldn't have been that horrible. If it took you 100k miles before you noticed it was one wheel shy it probably was a damn good car, all things considered.

Actually without using metaphors, I can relate. I can play a game for 70 hours, finish it, experiencing a depressing, disappointing or anti-climatic ending and feel like the game was somewhat ruined. Simply put the journey was good, but the conclusion was...something else entirely. This would make my overall opinion of a game change drastically overall.

That explains your dissatisfaction with the product...but doesn't rise to the level of having a claim for at least a refund.  As in "sorry you didn't like it, I hope we get it right next time!"

ME3 goes so far beyond that.  And the "it's the journey" line doesn't even work.  If you get on a cruise advertised as docking in Cancun, it does you little good if you have a great time on the boat, but when you get off you're in Fukishima. 

Your right, it doesn't merit a refund.

[Corrupt Feces]

Fenderbaum wrote...

*sighs*....

Why do these threads keep cropping up?

You acepted the EULA by installing the game. If you're in North America, you are SoL regarding suing EA.

Secondly, the most you will get is fraudulently obtaining money by misleading comments from the devs.

Thirdly, you never bought anything, neither do you own anything. All you paid for was the right to 'use' the product, the same as with film and music. Nothing more.

Finally (to people who still understand this)....Bioware is not a company anymore, you cannot sue what is not there.  Bioware exists purely as a trading name now, a tax dodge.   They are a 'division' of EA now.  They are 'owned wholly' by EA. 

The EULA is EA's...not Bioware's.

You have no contract or agreement or anything with Bioware.  It is EA.

While through this post, I garnered valuable insight on the purview of lisense/developer orchestration, I still maintain my initial and primordial inkling.
You sir, are an ass.

[ShiftyEffect]

Fenderbaum wrote...

*sighs*....

Why do these threads keep cropping up?

You acepted the EULA by installing the game. If you're in North America, you are SoL regarding suing EA.

Secondly, the most you will get is fraudulently obtaining money by misleading comments from the devs.

Thirdly, you never bought anything, neither do you own anything. All you paid for was the right to 'use' the product, the same as with film and music. Nothing more.

Finally (to people who still understand this)....Bioware is not a company anymore, you cannot sue what is not there.  Bioware exists purely as a trading name now, a tax dodge.   They are a 'division' of EA now.  They are 'owned wholly' by EA. 

The EULA is EA's...not Bioware's.

You have no contract or agreement or anything with Bioware.  It is EA.

Part of this is true.

[Eterna]

You people can't be serious. By your logic any movie that has ever put a saying in like "Best action film of 2012!!" Has been falsely advertising and it's illegal.

Stop posting stupid crap, this is seriously getting old.

[Paulus magintie]

Cadence of the Planes wrote...

Paulus magintie wrote...

By falsely advertising the game to have and do certain things and then failed to follow up with their statements. That is illegal in the UK and quite frankly I don't think Bioware actually understands what they have actually done.

We see them here telling us "Its the ending we wanted and intended" even though we where told there would be 16 endings (Im sure that was BS anyway) but we where told no A,B,C choices and we got that.

Anyone in the UK could actually file a lawsuit against Bioware for this. So why on earth is Bioware sticking with their guns claim they are listening to the fanbase only to ignore them anyway?

They are in deep water already and some guy in the USA filed a complaint about bioware about their false advertising. Why is it only the fan base that can see this?

Which law did they break? I thought they were true to their statements. You're expressing an O-P-I-N-I-O-N not a FACT when you say they "failed to follow up." 

I got enough closure from the endings as they are. Deal with it.

Mass Effect 1 - Save the Racnhi with promise of help, kill to make them extinct.

Mass Effect 2 - Rachni says they are staying low and will help when called.or no message at all since they are dead

Mass Effect 3 - No Rachni support even after you save the Queen and even if you killed the Queen in ME1 a "Breeder" is made for a pathetic excuse of adding another enemy.  (Your choices matter huh?)

Im still not sure if Anderson is even on the council in ME3 since he is based on Earth at all times meaning that choice was invalid to.

There is no way to unite the Species of the Galaxy since its either the Krogan or Salerans (I think).

Also what the hell happens after Shepard wakes up? How does he/she survive an explosion in that condition? Some of your choices have no real effect later on in the series.

[SalsaDMA]

LaurenShepard-N7 wrote...

L00p wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

DayusMakhina wrote...

Pre-release developer statements would not hold up in any court of law I'm afraid, such statements are always subject to change (and generally more often than not this is stated somewhere) and as such are not accountable as false advertising.

Any statement made after the gold date would.

Try it then princess, take them and watch your fantasy world pop before your eyes. It wouldn't stand up in court and if you think it would then try it and see for yourself. Of course you won't like everyone else in this thread it's all huff and puff with no substance or back bone. All talk and if take action you would be laughed out of the court room. Keep peddling your propaganda, stay bitter and upset then someday when reality bites you in the ass maybe you will decide to do something more productive with your life instead of whine and moan on these forums all day and night about the last 10 minutes of a video game.

Princess? What's with the hostility?

"Call me princess again and you'll be picking your teeth up off the floor."  

First time I experienced that line I had high hopes for the effect of choice in the series.

Sadly they didn't follow through with it that much.

Was still awesome that they included gender recognition and let female shepard be such a toughie

[SalsaDMA]

as long as they are accepting refunds within a appropriate amount of time, I don't think you can get much out of a suit.

I believe the suit theoretically would be about getting your money back for the flawed product, but since they are already offering this, you don't have much else to sue for, making it a dead end.

If you feel strongly about it, ask for your money back before it's too late. Even if purchased through Origin.

[SalsaDMA]

Eterna5 wrote...

You people can't be serious. By your logic any movie that has ever put a saying in like "Best action film of 2012!!" Has been falsely advertising and it's illegal.

Stop posting stupid crap, this is seriously getting old.

You do realize that you can walk out on a movie and demand a refund if you think the movie is that crap, right?

[AlanC9]

Paulus magintie wrote...
Mass Effect 3 - No Rachni support even after you save the Queen and even if you killed the Queen in ME1 a "Breeder" is made for a pathetic excuse of adding another enemy.  (Your choices matter huh?)

Sure they do. The replacement rachni are about on Collector level in terms of independence from the Reapers. Send them to work on the Crucible for some fun.

Im still not sure if Anderson is even on the council in ME3

I guess you don't read codex entries, huh?

There is no way to unite the Species of the Galaxy since its either the Krogan or Salerans (I think).

You're wrong. 

[Paulus magintie]

SalsaDMA wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

You people can't be serious. By your logic any movie that has ever put a saying in like "Best action film of 2012!!" Has been falsely advertising and it's illegal.

Stop posting stupid crap, this is seriously getting old.

You do realize that you can walk out on a movie and demand a refund if you think the movie is that crap, right?

Over here you can see the 1st 10-20 minutes then walk out and demand a refund obviously you can't after watching most of it.

[Naltair]

This is getting silly people.

[Father_Jerusalem]

...

Congratulations. You've managed to help humanity survive into the next cycle. Since the Reapers are only after intelligent, advanced life, we clearly do not qualify.

So, thanks for that, I guess.

[MsKlaussen]

Eterna5 wrote...

You people can't be serious. By your logic any movie that has ever put a saying in like "Best action film of 2012!!" Has been falsely advertising and it's illegal.

Stop posting stupid crap, this is seriously getting old.

Technically, no it's not. "Best action film of 2012" is an opinion.

Charging people for a full self contained single player game plus a supposedly separate multiplayer game and then delivering a single player game with content that depends on the multiplayer game thus making it not self contained, and then having people find out the truth of it only after they are locked out of content despite completing all objectives is something else entirely.

I would wonder about the legality of that and leave the suckronicitous quality of the endings themselves alone.

[Haristo]

Paulus magintie wrote...

demersel wrote...

It is illegal not only in the UK.

Well I don't know which countries so I only mentioned the UK since im from there.

Illegal in Canada as well...

anyway, I would not sue BioWare for such a thing, even though it would be legaly possible... because it would imply I have to sue Peter Molyneux for his whole Career...

[Esquin]

It's false advertising yes.

But all they need to do is prove that you would have purchased the game regardless of anything they said about it and you no longer have a leg to stand on.

[Gerza71]

OP. You think that BioWare have broke the law by lying, sue them. Warning!!! bring a lot of money with you. You know how those lawyers charge. Make sure your arm, leg, half a brain and a kidney is in good working order.  That is including $10 AUD a word.  Spoken and written.

Modifié par Gerza71, 06 avril 2012 - 10:25 .

[jakal66]

yeah good luck with that!Though don't ask for a penny when you lose your house and end up a hobo only making EA a bit richer

[MsKlaussen]

Esquin wrote...

It's false advertising yes.

But all they need to do is prove that you would have purchased the game regardless of anything they said about it and you no longer have a leg to stand on.

That's impossible to prove about a stranger.

[Pariah01]

I'm not really a big fan of UK's mentality of suing everything that offends you.

BUUuuuut...There is actually a really good case. Bioware developers lied through their teeth about what kind of product we were buying in relation to the two games that came before it.

I--and many others needless to say--paid for Mass Effect 3 expecting a story that actually followed the ones that came before it. What we got was a series of references to plot devices used in the past, the complexities of which were explained away using a pathetically tacked on retcons. It's like everything Mac Walters was leading up to was tossed in the can to make the franchise more serial friendly.

None of the conclusions built up to within the third game were intuitive to the material from the previous iterations. This tangent they went on was so far out of left field it's not even funny. The ridiculous ending is only one slice of the pie.

Fans. Got. Griffed.

However, I contend that--while Bioware executives are their mindless hand-puppets in this affair--EA is still the cause for this non-sequitur product. In the end, they will micromanage every story element they ascertain to be profitable depending upon said story element's outcome. This makes the whole "artistic integrity" tune such a load of BS: if all of your creative decisions are subject to the approval of a production force, then you actually don't have any integrity to speak of. Trying to use that tune in court with EA as your big brother would be disastrous.

There is a case here against EA. If someone can get a class action lawsuit started up in the US, I will happily put my name on it.

[BrookerT]

there is no case against bioware for anything. They messed up yes, but they did not falsely advertise the game.

[Heather Cline]

It's pretty much illegal in most countries. False advertising is illegal almost everywhere.

[CaptainOrgia]

#NerdWorldProblems

[UFC-G-S-P]

demersel wrote...

Ok, so make them refund the money. I do want my money back. And my time. My time is worth a lot, and i spent like 70 hours of it.

you and everybody else, ive put more time into this series than any thing else, played all 3 with many replays to get different results and what not
only to get crapped on by the end of me3 what gives bioware?
lets just hope they make something out of the extended cut dlc...