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[Cainne Chapel]

BobSmith101 wrote...

It's an extreme way to escape EA. But a lot of key Bioware personel are gone anyway and the following games have really suffered for it.

DA - Brent leaves - we get DA2.
ME - Drew leaves -we get ME3.

See thats the thing though Bob.... Drew didn't exactly write ME ALL ON HIS OWN. and for the most part ME3 was an awesome game with a great story.

But dont like Drew's name fool you.  There were issues in ME1 and ME2 as well if one wants to dig deep enough and as much as I like drew... he's not a god.  I have no problem with Mac either.  Drew and Mac have both made good and bad things.  Their only human.

[Iron Spetsnaz]

L00p wrote...

Iron Spetsnaz wrote...

The Razman wrote...

The only reason that Mass Effect even exists in the form we know it is because it was made by a big huge company like Bioware. A bunch of ex-Bioware employees without the financial backing would never be able to make a game like it.

They didn't have that much financial backing when they first formed, they did it before, they can do it again

This.
Small steps, small steps.

And with small steps, they can eventually regain what they once lost

[Farbautisonn]

Iron Spetsnaz wrote...
And with small steps, they can eventually regain what they once lost

-How do you fix broken trust and how long does it take?

[Iron Spetsnaz]

Farbautisonn wrote...

Iron Spetsnaz wrote...
And with small steps, they can eventually regain what they once lost

-How do you fix broken trust and how long does it take?

I don't know, but I would be willing to give them a chance if what I said in my first post comes true, and also do you think they would be willing to mess up a new franchise like they did with the ME3 ending?

[Cainne Chapel]

Well to that point too... the founders are high ups at EA now...

So why would they leave? and if the guys who founded bioware stayed...well then technically it wouldn't be a new bioware anymore now would it? As the original visionaries who set the company on its path are no longer with it.

So could you even really call it a "new bioware"?

[Iron Spetsnaz]

L00p wrote...

Iron Spetsnaz wrote...

Farbautisonn wrote...

Iron Spetsnaz wrote...
And with small steps, they can eventually regain what they once lost

-How do you fix broken trust and how long does it take?

I don't know, but I would be willing to give them a chance if what I said in my first post comes true, and also do you think they would be willing to mess up a new franchise like they did with the ME3 ending?

Difficult, but easier if they part with EA, IMHO.

I don't think it will be that easy for BioWare to part from EA, otherwise they might have done that already,

[Iron Spetsnaz]

Cainne Chapel wrote...

Well to that point too... the founders are high ups at EA now...

So why would they leave? and if the guys who founded bioware stayed...well then technically it wouldn't be a new bioware anymore now would it? As the original visionaries who set the company on its path are no longer with it.

So could you even really call it a "new bioware"?

As long as a majority of BioWare regroup to form the "New BioWare" then yes I would call it a "New BioWare"

[Sidney]

BobSmith101 wrote...

It's an extreme way to escape EA. But a lot of key Bioware personel are gone anyway and the following games have really suffered for it.

DA - Brent leaves - we get DA2.
ME - Drew leaves -we get ME3.

The problem with DA2 was the timeline was so rushed. You are talking massive engine changes + a whole new game. That I actually do blame on EA because I'm sure the black hole TOR was was burning cash at a ferocious rate and they needed a "filler" game to grab some cash. In the end the writing and concept weren't bad what was bad was paratroopers and re-used waves that sucked the life out of the game.

Drew's idea was dark matter. That theory sucked rocks. I don't know if it is better than the current endning or not but if wouldn't change people's reaction. That ending had two options: kill reapers and die from dark matter; let reapers do their job and hope they stop dark matter. How are the unicorm and rainbow crowd gonna take that when they have kittens about blowing up relays? Toss in that it explains nothing about why the reapers do things the way they do them and really that wasn't the problem.

[Hyrist]

The name BioWare represents damaged goods to me now. Not necessarily the writers themselves, but seeing how the only hit that really game out of those that split from Square Enix was Lost Oddesy (admittingly a great game.) I think it will be difficult for anyone within or without BioWare to recover from this.

Mass Effect 3 was their greatest chance to wash away the smudge mark that was Dragon Age 2. All it does now is validate the concerns raised by it.

And with no new franchise really there for them to turn this around with in short order - its a long time to leave players with bitter feelings. I think many people, including EA/BioWare underestimate the impact this fiasco is going to have on them.

How are the unicorm and rainbow crowd gonna take that when they have kittens about blowing up relays? 

Simple, the ending did not end with an absolute resolution to the issue: People don't suddenly and absolutely die from the dark matter issue. The threat is more immediate than it was for the Reapers, sure, but if you chose to kill the reapers, you're not instantly dieing, but rather putting faith in the existing organics to be able to sucessfully resolve the issue.

So the tension was there, but not the grim-dark of what the current endings provide.

Modifié par Hyrist, 06 avril 2012 - 12:49 .

[AkiKishi]

L00p wrote...

Iron Spetsnaz wrote...

L00p wrote...

Iron Spetsnaz wrote...

The Razman wrote...

The only reason that Mass Effect even exists in the form we know it is because it was made by a big huge company like Bioware. A bunch of ex-Bioware employees without the financial backing would never be able to make a game like it.

They didn't have that much financial backing when they first formed, they did it before, they can do it again

This.
Small steps, small steps.

And with small steps, they can eventually regain what they once lost

Absolutely.

@Farbautisonn:
I just took a peek over at the Wasteland 2 Kickstarter blog.
Inspiring stuff.

Wasteland is before my time. I did manage to get hold of a copy of Bards Tale (published by EA) but I've never played Wasteland.

[Farbautisonn]

Iron Spetsnaz wrote...

Farbautisonn wrote...

Iron Spetsnaz wrote...
And with small steps, they can eventually regain what they once lost

-How do you fix broken trust and how long does it take?

I don't know, but I would be willing to give them a chance if what I said in my first post comes true, and also do you think they would be willing to mess up a new franchise like they did with the ME3 ending?

-What new franchise? ME is dead for alot of fans and customers. They wont risk it. DA3 has Da2 plus the modus operandi of Bioware to contend with. That modus operandi includes the Bazaar fiasco for the international customers and the deception debacle where its been two months since we heard anything, whilst it still sells as is on Amazon.

Would you trust any firm with that trackrecord? 

[Iron Spetsnaz]

Farbautisonn wrote...

Iron Spetsnaz wrote...

Farbautisonn wrote...

Iron Spetsnaz wrote...
And with small steps, they can eventually regain what they once lost

-How do you fix broken trust and how long does it take?

I don't know, but I would be willing to give them a chance if what I said in my first post comes true, and also do you think they would be willing to mess up a new franchise like they did with the ME3 ending?

-What new franchise? ME is dead for alot of fans and customers. They wont risk it. DA3 has Da2 plus the modus operandi of Bioware to contend with. That modus operandi includes the Bazaar fiasco for the international customers and the deception debacle where its been two months since we heard anything, whilst it still sells as is on Amazon.

Would you trust any firm with that trackrecord? 

I'll ask you again,

Do you think that the "New BioWare" would be willing to mess up a new franchise like they did with the ME3 ending?

And also BioWare only started to have a poor track-record when they were bought by EA

[Oldbones2]

The Razman wrote...

The only reason that Mass Effect even exists in the form we know it is because it was made by a big huge company like Bioware. A bunch of ex-Bioware employees without the financial backing would never be able to make a game like it.

**Cough** Baldur's Gate series **cough three guys with 100 grand **cough

[Cainne Chapel]

Well as it is I dont think most of the important people who conceptualized ME, etc are going anywhere. For now.

So a "new bioware" would be a moot point.

If they do go off and start their own new dev houses, great, but it is by no means a sure sign of success in the future.

That said, to me, EA or not it doesn't matter. They would STILL have to build a name for themselves on their own.

as for bioware being damaged goods, well maybe to some, but to me they're still golden. Why you may ask? Well I've been playing bioware games since Baldur's gate and minus a few games i've passed, I've never not enjoyed them. So I'll still be here until they make games i absolutely cannot stand, but one bad ending on one game isn't going to sour the years of fun I've had.

I'd be stupid to let it.

[Farbautisonn]

Iron Spetsnaz wrote...
I'll ask you again,

Do you think that the "New BioWare" would be willing to mess up a new franchise like they did with the ME3 ending?

And also BioWare only started to have a poor track-record when they were bought by EA

-I think they would continue in the tradition they have followed so far, so yes. "New bioware" still has "old bioware" rept to contend with.

I dont care about the EA is teh devilz argument. Bioware still has a responsibility for its products. If it cant stand behind it, dont publish it.

[AkiKishi]

Oldbones2 wrote...

The Razman wrote...

The only reason that Mass Effect even exists in the form we know it is because it was made by a big huge company like Bioware. A bunch of ex-Bioware employees without the financial backing would never be able to make a game like it.

**Cough** Baldur's Gate series **cough three guys with 100 grand **cough

Be honest though, had the idea of a party based RTS not been picked up by Interplay who at that time had the AD&D IP it never would have been what it was.

[Sidney]

Oldbones2 wrote...

The Razman wrote...

The only reason that Mass Effect even exists in the form we know it is because it was made by a big huge company like Bioware. A bunch of ex-Bioware employees without the financial backing would never be able to make a game like it.

**Cough** Baldur's Gate series **cough three guys with 100 grand **cough

Look at that game and now look at what a AAA type title costs.

Yes pretty grpahics aren't everything and I still play BG2, PST, FO2 (can't make FO run on my machine), JA2, XCOM and so on so I fdon't need shiny to make me happy but the reality is that those days are gone and top end games cost a lot more even in relative terms than they used to.

[Iron Spetsnaz]

Farbautisonn wrote...

-I think they would continue in the tradition they have followed so far, so yes. "New bioware" still has "old bioware" rept to contend with. 

Is that Yes they would be willing to mess up a franchise?

Or is it No they wouldn't be willing to mess up a franchise?


And also the "New BioWare" can easily get rid of their "Old BioWare" reputation by making a good franchise with a good ending

[The Razman]

Iron Spetsnaz wrote...

The Razman wrote...

The only reason that Mass Effect even exists in the form we know it is because it was made by a big huge company like Bioware. A bunch of ex-Bioware employees without the financial backing would never be able to make a game like it.

They didn't have that much financial backing when they first formed, they did it before, they can do it again

When they first formed they were making games in the Infinity Engine 15 years ago. We've moved on, mate.

Mass Effect only exists because of the financial security being a big company offers. You think any small start-up company could make a game which commits to spanning over a trilogy, coding in variables to carry over to the next games on the way? The only reason its possible is because a big company said "Sure, we'll give you the backing for a trilogy of blockbuster games".

[YohkoOhno]

Personally, I'll only worry if people start ignoring Bioware instead of hating them.

Hate tends to be too close to love. I agree with the term "any publicity is good publicity", simply because I've seen this outrage before--people have been hating Bioware since they changed Baldur's Gate to NWN. It's enough to make a person jaded about the whole thing.

I'll be more worried when people don't care and don't say anything about Bioware. That will be a more disturbing sign to me. But it's not happening yet or soon, as far as I can tell.

[The Razman]

L00p wrote...

The Razman wrote...
They didn't have that much financial backing when they first formed, they did it before, they can do it again
When they first formed they were making games in the Infinity Engine 15 years ago. We've moved on, mate.

Ops! Freudian slip much? Who are you really[/b][b], Razman?

... what?

Mate = pal, buddy, chum. I don't understand your confusion.

Modifié par The Razman, 06 avril 2012 - 01:16 .