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[Cainne Chapel]

Sebbe1337o wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

It's an extreme way to escape EA. But a lot of key Bioware personel are gone anyway and the following games have really suffered for it.

DA - Brent leaves - we get DA2.
ME - Drew leaves -we get ME3.

This. Drew Karpyshyn leaving BW is the worst thing that could happen to BW. I really wonder why he left. Maybe he didn't like how people wanted to handle the ME-franchise.

He left ME tow ork on TOR.... which apparently is the worse game bioware ever released by some here... I didn't mind it and for what its worth thought the storylines were decent to good.

even so both those games are so much more than just "ONE" person.  They're team efforts.  As good as drew is, he didn't write ME1 all by himself in a vacuum, he had teams of people working with him.  So you cant pin ALL the quality of the game on his shoulders alone.  Same with Mac, you cant pin all the faults on him alone either.

Modifié par Cainne Chapel, 06 avril 2012 - 02:37 .

[Iron Spetsnaz]

Farbautisonn wrote...

Iron Spetsnaz wrote...
You didn't answer my question

-Sure I did. I dont trust them to deliver my newspaper. Would I trust them to deliver a good RPG? 

True, I have no idea about business but it is possible for a company to regain it's reputation, I mean look back when Coca-Cola made "New coke" which changed the recipe and it caused one hell of a ****-storm because many people said that it didn't as good as old coke, and then they changed the recipe back to it's original, thus restoring their reputation.

-Really? Was the reputation of "Coke" restored? It took a hit, one that it took millions of dollers in advertizing to fix. Its a mistake they didnt make twice, so at least they learned. Bioware doesnt seem to have that capacity.

Yes it was restored, ok sure people still talk about it every now and then, but still it's reputation is pretty much fixed,

And if BioWare does fold and it reforms, they WILL put more effort into any game franchise so that it will be considered good (Including the ending).

[dakphillips]

I'm more or less in the same boat as the OP. Everything Bioware that I'd purchased before DA2 had been excellent, but this is two major releases in a row that have left me with a bad taste in my mouth. And although I thought overall ME3 was a far superior game to DA2, both had downright terrible endings. I play epic RPGs to play a hero (or villain) as an escape from everyday life, I don't enjoy games that leave me feeling like I just had a ****ty day at work.

I wish the best for BW employees as individuals, and should the company continue on and they are satisfied with the work they produce then good for them. But I believe that they can do better and are no longer driven to put out thoughtful quality games, which is why I'll no longer be throwing money at BW when they do release any new game or content.

[kbct]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Sebbe1337o wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

It's an extreme way to escape EA. But a lot of key Bioware personel are gone anyway and the following games have really suffered for it.

DA - Brent leaves - we get DA2.
ME - Drew leaves -we get ME3.

This. Drew Karpyshyn leaving BW is the worst thing that could happen to BW. I really wonder why he left. Maybe he didn't like how people wanted to handle the ME-franchise.

Could be. That was the reason Brent gave in his blog (regarding DA).

I wish I knew this beforehand.

[Iron Spetsnaz]

TommyServo wrote...

Iron Spetsnaz wrote...

Like I said, it's my opinion, you can disagree with it if you want, but don't even think about flaming me for having an opinion

Having an opinion doesn't make you immune to criticism. And not all opinions are equal. Sometimes you're just wrong.

So basically your'e saying my opinion is wrong?

[kbct]

Cainne Chapel wrote...

Same with Mac, you cant pin all the faults on him alone either.

Maybe not all, but...

[YohkoOhno]

kbct wrote...

YohkoOhno wrote...

Personally, I'll only worry if people start ignoring Bioware instead of hating them.

A lot of people said their goodbyes over the last month. Check out the DLC stickies for plenty of examples since yesterday. There are even threads about it. Not a good sign, right? Or do you think it's all bluster?

Not proof that they left.  Usually, when somebody loudly says "I'm leaving", it's usually a sign of anything but.  I've seen people say "goodbye Bioware" and yet stay on this forum for years.

The key thing is if people become apathetic, rather than angry.  I've seen people here say they were leaving because of Dragon Age: Origins not being Baldur's Gate III, etc.  Angry people tend to be more vocal than the silent.

People have said "love me or hate me, just keep talking about me".  It's the same with Bioware.  It's only when people ignore them rather than fight them that I'll consider them in trouble.  

Modifié par YohkoOhno, 06 avril 2012 - 02:45 .

[FKA_Servo]

Iron Spetsnaz wrote...


So basically your'e saying my opinion is wrong?

I'm saying opinions aren't immune to criticism. Opinions are not all equally valid. You can take that for what it is - elaborating would derail this thread.

I think you're wrong.

Modifié par TommyServo, 06 avril 2012 - 02:46 .

[Iron Spetsnaz]

TommyServo wrote...

Iron Spetsnaz wrote...


So basically your'e saying my opinion is wrong?

I'm saying opinions aren't immune to criticism. Sometimes they're just wrong. You can take that for what it is - elaborating would derail this thread.

I think you're wrong.

It may be wrong, but it's my opinion, and nothing can change that

[FKA_Servo]

Iron Spetsnaz wrote...

It may be wrong, but it's my opinion, and nothing can change that

I guess you get a gold star, then.

[Orthodox Infidel]

Iron Spetsnaz wrote...

BioWare employees could regroup together and form a new company, where they would develop a new game series which makes up for the mistakes which they have made and that video game will be the best thing since mass effect with a good ending to boot.

And the best thing about it?, is that BioWare will be independant from EA, which means that the "New BioWare" can put the time and effort that they done before being bought by EA.

They could do that. Certainly, other development teams have done just that in the past and were successful, even though current business conditions may not be as ameniable to that anymore.

The question to ask is "Why hasn't this already happened?"
The simplest answer to that question is "They don't want to do that."

Sorry.

[kbct]

YohkoOhno wrote...

kbct wrote...

A lot of people said their goodbyes over the last month. Check out the DLC stickies for plenty of examples since yesterday. There are even threads about it. Not a good sign, right? Or do you think it's all bluster?

Not proof that they left.  Usually, when somebody loudly says "I'm leaving", it's usually a sign of anything but.  I've seen people say "goodbye Bioware" and yet stay on this forum for years.

Even if only half of them are being honest, it's not a good sign.

[Dezerte]

YohkoOhno wrote...

kbct wrote...

YohkoOhno wrote...

Personally, I'll only worry if people start ignoring Bioware instead of hating them.

A lot of people said their goodbyes over the last month. Check out the DLC stickies for plenty of examples since yesterday. There are even threads about it. Not a good sign, right? Or do you think it's all bluster?

Not proof that they left.  Usually, when somebody loudly says "I'm leaving", it's usually a sign of anything but.  I've seen people say "goodbye Bioware" and yet stay on this forum for years.

The key thing is if people become apathetic, rather than angry.  I've seen people here say they were leaving because of Dragon Age: Origins not being Baldur's Gate III, etc.  Angry people tend to be more vocal than the silent.

People have said "love me or hate me, just keep talking about me".  It's the same with Bioware.  It's only when people ignore them rather than fight them that I'll consider them in trouble.  

They probably stayed on the forum because they still cared and had hope, doesn't mean they went back on their word and bought the games & DLC they said they wouldn't.

As for me, I've done quite a few posts here about why I dislike the ending.This is the first time I've been upset enough that I felt that I had to give feedback, hoping that BioWare would realise the same thing. It seems they didnt judging by the sounds of the summer DLC.

I might end up ignoring BioWare soon, but that doesn't mean they are in trouble. Remember, the majority of the customers don't even post or visit this forum. Only the fans do, but fans can be affored to be lost because we are a minority. Appealing to the casual market is where the real money is.

Modifié par Dezman8, 06 avril 2012 - 03:10 .

[Farbautisonn]

Iron Spetsnaz wrote...

Yes it was restored, ok sure people still talk about it every now and then, but still it's reputation is pretty much fixed,

-Only problem here is that Coke recognized and rectified. They went back to the "old recepy". Bioware didnt and has painted themselves into a corner, where they cant. If they fold they violate their "artistic integrity".

And if BioWare does fold and it reforms, they WILL put more effort into any game franchise so that it will be considered good (Including the ending).

"If" they fold.

And how do you know they "Will"? 

[Super.Sid]

kbct wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Sebbe1337o wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

It's an extreme way to escape EA. But a lot of key Bioware personel are gone anyway and the following games have really suffered for it.

DA - Brent leaves - we get DA2.
ME - Drew leaves -we get ME3.

This. Drew Karpyshyn leaving BW is the worst thing that could happen to BW. I really wonder why he left. Maybe he didn't like how people wanted to handle the ME-franchise.

Could be. That was the reason Brent gave in his blog (regarding DA).

I wish I knew this beforehand.

Drew quit SWTOR because he got a lot of flak after killing off Revan.

[Sanunes]

I have said this before, but honestly I think most of the people that have this opinion are looking at old BioWare games through rose-colored glasses. None of them have been better then Mass Effect 3, yes there were problems with Mass Effect 3, but all their games have had problems. What made BioWare good is they listened to the players and adjusted their future games accordingly. I honestly can't remember most of Baulers Gate and Baulders Gate 2, but I didn't like the system for Neverwinter Nights so I didn't play it much and didn't buy any of the expansions, Jade Empire was rushed and completely different game after the first half.

Besides a good example for what would happen is Obsidian they were part of Black Isle Studios who made Fallout 1 and 2, Icewind Dale, and Baulders Gate expansions. They were dissolved by Interplay and most people went to form Obsidian Entertainment, their games Knights of the Old Republic 2, Alpha Protocol, Dungeon Siege 3, Fallout New Vegas shows they are trying, but the spark that made them Black Isle Studios is gone.

[hoorayforicecream]

"People don't like rising from ashes. Drives up the dry-cleaning bill." -- Iron Man

If Bioware folds, how could you expect the former employees to get funding for a new game? Who would they get their funding *from*?

[upsettingshorts]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

"People don't like rising from ashes. Drives up the dry-cleaning bill." -- Iron Man

If Bioware folds, how could you expect the former employees to get funding for a new game? Who would they get their funding *from*?

Also I love the idea that the OP presents that the former developers - given such an end to their company from something like the ME3 endings - would just be thrilled to go right back out and make the same kind of game that lost all of them their jobs, for the same customers that advocated their employers' demise because the story content failed to satisfy them.

I especially imagine the gameplay designers, programmers, artists, cinematics folks, and writers who had nothing to do with the ending would be on the edge of their seats with anticipation to repeat that experience.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 06 avril 2012 - 04:07 .

[upsettingshorts]

Sanunes wrote...

None of them have been better then Mass Effect 3, yes there were problems with Mass Effect 3, but all their games have had problems. What made BioWare good is they listened to the players and adjusted their future games accordingly.

Indeed, the utter failure of the endings to live up to expectations has overwhelmed any positive feedback as to the number of major complaints from Mass Effect 2 that ME3 fixes.

That isn't to say ME3 doesn't introduce its own set of issues that fans of Dragon Age over on the other board are talking about not reproducing in the next DA game, but those features are being discussed rationally - and with BioWare input - in a way that would apparently be unheard of on this subforum because everyone is too busy screaming and throwing things.

[Doodledorf]

Sorry but as far as I am concerned Bioware going down would be a bad thing not a good one.

Good thing that it does not appear to be happening by a long margin any time soon.

Good for me as a fan of the games they make.

[Maria Caliban]

Iron Spetsnaz wrote...

And the best thing about it?, is that BioWare will be independant from EA, which means that the "New BioWare" can put the time and effort that they done before being bought by EA.

Yes! They'll be a start-up development company without a publisher. I'm sure this will lead to the AAA games BioWare fans know and love.

[garf]

vertigo72 wrote...

Downfall? Maybe in your imagination. I will now buy everything those guys do.

Well, that's a given. your sig identifies where your opinion is going to be. Makes it unnecessary to read your post.

[kbct]

Super.Sid wrote...

kbct wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Sebbe1337o wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

It's an extreme way to escape EA. But a lot of key Bioware personel are gone anyway and the following games have really suffered for it.

DA - Brent leaves - we get DA2.
ME - Drew leaves -we get ME3.

This. Drew Karpyshyn leaving BW is the worst thing that could happen to BW. I really wonder why he left. Maybe he didn't like how people wanted to handle the ME-franchise.

Could be. That was the reason Brent gave in his blog (regarding DA).

I wish I knew this beforehand.

Drew quit SWTOR because he got a lot of flak after killing off Revan.

Thank you, but it doesn't really matter to me why he is gone.

I would have taken Drew's ending of ME3 over Mac's any day of the week. I loved the ME1 story.

[Getorex]

The Razman wrote...

The only reason that Mass Effect even exists in the form we know it is because it was made by a big huge company like Bioware. A bunch of ex-Bioware employees without the financial backing would never be able to make a game like it.

Uhhh.  No.  Mass Effect 1 was made by BIOWARE.  There was no EA in the mix.  How did tiny little Bioware make ME1 without a big fat, greedy, and soulless corporate overlord to control them?

After ME1, when EA came sniffing around, a bunch of Bioware top fliers left.  They chose not to go into EA.  Quality suffered.  Not just ME2 but other games too.  ME3 is the result of corporate soulless greed (players should pay for ammo in MP games!) EA sucking the life and soul out of a once-decent company (Bioware).