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[gmboy902]

The Mass Effect series was the last real thread of loyalty I had in BioWare after the disappointment of DA2. I may buy DA3 if it is exceedingly good, but with the business model that EA likes (scrap the unique stuff and CoD-ize all the games), I think any new series would be dead from day one.

[Texhnolyze101]

I agree i can't wait to turn on the news one day and hear they when bankrupt it will be the best day ever.

[Getorex]

garf wrote...

vertigo72 wrote...

Downfall? Maybe in your imagination. I will now buy everything those guys do.

Well, that's a given. your sig identifies where your opinion is going to be. Makes it unnecessary to read your post.

Heh.  Nothing but a Call of Duty ******.  Dumbing down the gaming industry for the rest of us.

[upsettingshorts]

I'm sure Brent Knowles and Drew Karpyshyn love their motivations being manipulated to further forum posters' agendas.

Getorex wrote...

Heh.  Nothing but a Call of Duty ******.  Dumbing down the gaming industry for the rest of us.

Ha.

Mass Effect 3 has more complicated gameplay than Mass Effect 2.

But that doesn't matter because you're one of those people.  Keep believing in that narrative you've got in your head!

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 06 avril 2012 - 04:10 .

[hoorayforicecream]

Getorex wrote...

The Razman wrote...

The only reason that Mass Effect even exists in the form we know it is because it was made by a big huge company like Bioware. A bunch of ex-Bioware employees without the financial backing would never be able to make a game like it.

Uhhh.  No.  Mass Effect 1 was made by BIOWARE.  There was no EA in the mix.  How did tiny little Bioware make ME1 without a big fat, greedy, and soulless corporate overlord to control them?

After ME1, when EA came sniffing around, a bunch of Bioware top fliers left.  They chose not to go into EA.  Quality suffered.  Not just ME2 but other games too.  ME3 is the result of corporate soulless greed (players should pay for ammo in MP games!) EA sucking the life and soul out of a once-decent company (Bioware).

Um... the reason that Bioware went to EA was because Bioware was losing a lot of money. They were in major trouble, because their development of games was not financially sustainable.

As for Mass Effect 1? It was funded and published by Microsoft, who is clearly well-known for their hands-off and laissez-faire approach to business.

[dado500]

jijeebo wrote...

Iron Spetsnaz wrote...

jijeebo wrote...

So you're saying we're their salvation through destruction?

...

Depends on your point of view

... My point of view is beyond your comprehension. 

Bioware are in business because we allow it, and they will fall because we demand it... It is inevitable. 

And this is the monent we find out that we are controlled by child who is angry because his father didn't want to buy him candies.

Modifié par dado500, 06 avril 2012 - 04:16 .

[kbct]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Um... the reason that Bioware went to EA was because Bioware was losing a lot of money. They were in major trouble, because their development of games was not financially sustainable.

EA has lost money every year since it purchased BioWare in 2007. The stock is down 75% from its high.

[upsettingshorts]

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Getorex wrote...

The Razman wrote...

The only reason that Mass Effect even exists in the form we know it is because it was made by a big huge company like Bioware. A bunch of ex-Bioware employees without the financial backing would never be able to make a game like it.

Uhhh.  No.  Mass Effect 1 was made by BIOWARE.  There was no EA in the mix.  How did tiny little Bioware make ME1 without a big fat, greedy, and soulless corporate overlord to control them?

After ME1, when EA came sniffing around, a bunch of Bioware top fliers left.  They chose not to go into EA.  Quality suffered.  Not just ME2 but other games too.  ME3 is the result of corporate soulless greed (players should pay for ammo in MP games!) EA sucking the life and soul out of a once-decent company (Bioware).

Um... the reason that Bioware went to EA was because Bioware was losing a lot of money. They were in major trouble, because their development of games was not financially sustainable.

As for Mass Effect 1? It was funded and published by Microsoft, who is clearly well-known for their hands-off and laissez-faire approach to business.

Jade Empire was also published by Microsoft, as well.

Not to mention Knights of the Old Republic was published by LucasArts, whose spectacular interference with SOE led to one of the great gamer screwjobs known as the New Game Experience for Star Wars Galaxies.

kbct wrote...

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Um... the reason that Bioware went to EA was because Bioware was losing a lot of money. They were in major trouble, because their development of games was not financially sustainable.

EA has lost money every year since it purchased BioWare in 2007. The stock is down 75% from its high.

How is that relevant to what hoorayforicecream was saying?

Also, let's see if you're up on your current events:  What else went into the tank starting in 2007?   

Oh.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 06 avril 2012 - 04:21 .

[LiquidGrape]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

I agree i can't wait to turn on the news one day and hear they when bankrupt it will be the best day ever.

It's funny how your grammar is probably the least awful thing about this post.

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Um... the reason that Bioware went to EA was because Bioware was losing a lot of money. They were in major trouble, because their development of games was not financially sustainable. 

 

But you don't need financing to produce high-quality games! All you need is a *~vision~*!

kbct wrote...

EA has lost money every year since it purchased BioWare in 2007. The stock is down 75% from its high.

 

One word.




Recession.

Modifié par LiquidGrape, 06 avril 2012 - 04:22 .

[Doodledorf]

101ezylonhxeT wrote...

I agree i can't wait to turn on the news one day and hear they when bankrupt it will be the best day ever.

If you have so much hatred for them, honest question do you spend your time on other forums of other developers?

I can't help but feel this is the case of with friends like x who needs enemies type of stance.

If they went under where would you instead spend your time if such happened.

[Iron Spetsnaz]

Farbautisonn wrote...

Iron Spetsnaz wrote...

Yes it was restored, ok sure people still talk about it every now and then, but still it's reputation is pretty much fixed,

-Only problem here is that Coke recognized and rectified. They went back to the "old recepy". Bioware didnt and has painted themselves into a corner, where they cant. If they fold they violate their "artistic integrity".

And if BioWare does fold and it reforms, they WILL put more effort into any game franchise so that it will be considered good (Including the ending).

"If" they fold.

And how do you know they "Will"? 

I know they will, because they genuinely don't want to repeat what has happened.

And how do you know they won't make a good game ever again?

[kbct]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

kbct wrote...

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Um... the reason that Bioware went to EA was because Bioware was losing a lot of money. They were in major trouble, because their development of games was not financially sustainable.

EA has lost money every year since it purchased BioWare in 2007. The stock is down 75% from its high.

How is that relevant to what hoorayforicecream was saying?

Also, let's see if you're up on your current events:  What else went into the tank in 2007?   

I was showing a continuation of trend.

The stock market tanked in 2008, not 2007. And then rebounded. It's 10% off its high, not 75% like EA.

EA is down 20% YTD. S&P is up 10%. Do you see the difference?

[Kinkaku]

Iron Spetsnaz wrote...

Farbautisonn wrote...

-I think they would continue in the tradition they have followed so far, so yes. "New bioware" still has "old bioware" rept to contend with. 

Is that Yes they would be willing to mess up a franchise?

Or is it No they wouldn't be willing to mess up a franchise?


And also the "New BioWare" can easily get rid of their "Old BioWare" reputation by making a good franchise with a good ending

A "New Bioware" 1: Probably won't happan and 2: Even if they did that reputation would definitly carry over. Also if you look at Mass Effect 3 again the entire game was an ending so I find the argument moot 

[kbct]

LiquidGrape wrote...

kbct wrote...

EA has lost money every year since it purchased BioWare in 2007. The stock is down 75% from its high.

 

One word.

Recession.

Tell that to Apple or other profitable companies.

[Doodledorf]

kbct wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

kbct wrote...

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Um... the reason that Bioware went to EA was because Bioware was losing a lot of money. They were in major trouble, because their development of games was not financially sustainable.

EA has lost money every year since it purchased BioWare in 2007. The stock is down 75% from its high.

How is that relevant to what hoorayforicecream was saying?

Also, let's see if you're up on your current events:  What else went into the tank in 2007?   

I was showing a continuation of trend.

The stock market tanked in 2008, not 2007. And then rebounded. It's 10% off its high, not 75% like EA.

EA is down 20% YTD. S&P is up 10%. Do you see the difference?

Seems to be grasping at straws to me personally. Sorry but thats how it feels.

I remember seeing how some talked about they said stock drop related to ME3 and their movement, yet I went and looked to out of interest and on site showed dropped only when ToR came out and PGA12 CE game.

Between those times ME3 caused stock to rise a fair amount.

Modifié par Doodledorf, 06 avril 2012 - 04:32 .

[Iron Spetsnaz]

Kinkaku wrote...

Iron Spetsnaz wrote...

Farbautisonn wrote...

-I think they would continue in the tradition they have followed so far, so yes. "New bioware" still has "old bioware" rept to contend with. 

Is that Yes they would be willing to mess up a franchise?

Or is it No they wouldn't be willing to mess up a franchise?


And also the "New BioWare" can easily get rid of their "Old BioWare" reputation by making a good franchise with a good ending

A "New Bioware" 1: Probably won't happan and 2: Even if they did that reputation would definitly carry over. Also if you look at Mass Effect 3 again the entire game was an ending so I find the argument moot 

Maybe, but one can hope, and besides there is a slight chance that if it does happen then there is a chance that the "New BioWare" could make a new game franchise that makes up for the ME3 ending (no matter how small the chance)

[upsettingshorts]

Iron Spetsnaz wrote...

Maybe, but one can hope, and besides there is a slight chance that if it does happen then there is a chance that the "New BioWare" could make a new game franchise that makes up for the ME3 ending (no matter how small the chance)

You're a loony.

You need to step away from BioWare and Mass Effect for a few months and re-orient your perspective to something less insane.

Your entire position is "there's an infinitesimally slim chance that they'd reconstitute themselves into something I personally like more" which is completely absurd, since it ignores the altogether likely possibility that anything resembling a BioWare game would be dead forever and its developers scattered to the four winds.

Who is making Ultima games today?  What about Wing Commander?  How about Vampire: The Masquerade games?  

You might argue that someone is making Command and Conquer games now, after the demise of Westwood.  Except until you remember that it's still EA making them.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 06 avril 2012 - 04:42 .

[Doodledorf]

Iron Spetsnaz wrote...

Kinkaku wrote...

Iron Spetsnaz wrote...

Farbautisonn wrote...

-I think they would continue in the tradition they have followed so far, so yes. "New bioware" still has "old bioware" rept to contend with. 

Is that Yes they would be willing to mess up a franchise?

Or is it No they wouldn't be willing to mess up a franchise?


And also the "New BioWare" can easily get rid of their "Old BioWare" reputation by making a good franchise with a good ending

A "New Bioware" 1: Probably won't happan and 2: Even if they did that reputation would definitly carry over. Also if you look at Mass Effect 3 again the entire game was an ending so I find the argument moot 

Maybe, but one can hope, and besides there is a slight chance that if it does happen then there is a chance that the "New BioWare" could make a new game franchise that makes up for the ME3 ending (no matter how small the chance)

For all you know at this stage their next title within the Bioware brand could be something you actually like.

Wishing for their downfall comes across as immature to me.

[Leonia]

Because putting people out of work is always a good thing...

I'm offended by the very existence of this thread and I'm not even a Bioware employee, can you imagine for a second how they might feel? They aren't robots, they're real human beings.

[kbct]

Doodledorf wrote...

kbct wrote...

I was showing a continuation of trend.

The stock market tanked in 2008, not 2007. And then rebounded. It's 10% off its high, not 75% like EA.

EA is down 20% YTD. S&P is up 10%. Do you see the difference?

Seems to be grasping at straws to me personally. Sorry but thats how it feels.

I remember seeing how some talked about they said stock drop related to ME3 and their movement, yet I went and looked to out of interest and on site showed dropped only when ToR came out and PGA12 CE game.

Between those times ME3 caused stock to rise a fair amount.

I wasn't talking about short-term moves. EA is down from the ME3 release date, however.

I think EA is one tick off its low this year.

[redbaron76]

Bioware will not fail. Even with all dissatisfied customers, there are cutomers like me, while not completely satisfied with the endings of ME 3 are still willing to by bioware games and play them. I do notlove the endings but I am ok with them. I imported all my moral values to my shepard, so the enings are fitting but do not provide enough closure. I do have high hope that Bioware will follow tradition that they have in their great games to have mention of Commander Shepard and his LI and friends in future games like they did with revan in Old republic. That is one of many reasons bioware will not fail.

[Doodledorf]

leonia42 wrote...

Because putting people out of work is always a good thing...

I'm offended by the very existence of this thread and I'm not even a Bioware employee, can you imagine for a second how they might feel? They aren't robots, they're real human beings.

I am too, why the moderators have not locked it is dubious to me to say the least.

[Fiery Phoenix]

OP has a point but his poor choice of words ruined everything. "Just my opinion" doesn't cut it.

[j78]

I think BW will most likely get absorbed in to EA like pandemic and countless others .THQ is in their death throws I would think EA will snap them up and studios like BW who are under performing will get absorbed and turned in to another studio EA Edmonton.