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[upsettingshorts]

It already is "EA Edmonton," BioWare is a brand not an independent company.

It's also, by the same token, "EA Austin" and various others.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 06 avril 2012 - 04:48 .

[Doodledorf]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

It already is "EA Edmonton," BioWare is a brand not an independent company.

Very much correct. If I recall they have about eight studios within that brand currently.

[kbct]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

It already is "EA Edmonton," BioWare is a brand not an independent company.

Exactly. I don't think everyone realizes that. Bioware is only a name now. A name associated with the company that just won the 2012 Poo award for worst company in America.

[Doodledorf]

kbct wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

It already is "EA Edmonton," BioWare is a brand not an independent company.

Exactly. I don't think everyone realizes that. Bioware is only a name now. A name associated with the company that just won the 2012 Poo award for worst company in America.

A title compared to others in that list, it did not deserve. A token sentiment caused by out burst of votes from some unhappy people about a video game (imho) did not justify letting those others off the hook. Though in the grand scheme of things that award or poll etc was not worth much to begin with. Internet polls rarely are. Worst video game publisher maybe but when compared to the rest on that list... It was immature move by those who voted for EA.

Modifié par Doodledorf, 06 avril 2012 - 04:57 .

[Kinkaku]

kbct wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

It already is "EA Edmonton," BioWare is a brand not an independent company.

Exactly. I don't think everyone realizes that. Bioware is only a name now. A name associated with the company that just won the 2012 Poo award for worst company in America.

Because butthurt gamers wanted them to win, and all in all the entire award thing is meaningless...

[j78]

Then they just remove BW logo and EA’s good to go .

[Sanunes]

Doodledorf wrote...

leonia42 wrote...

Because putting people out of work is always a good thing...

I'm offended by the very existence of this thread and I'm not even a Bioware employee, can you imagine for a second how they might feel? They aren't robots, they're real human beings.

I am too, why the moderators have not locked it is dubious to me to say the least.

Its Good Friday, so I am pretty sure these board are going to be a toxic wasteland until Monday.

Modifié par Sanunes, 06 avril 2012 - 04:59 .

[dragemuyt]

So you want all those people to lose their jobs because you disliked 5 minutes of their game.

And you think this is GOOD? This whole ending thing is getting beyond ridicoulus.

[kbct]

Doodledorf wrote...

kbct wrote...

Exactly. I don't think everyone realizes that. Bioware is only a name now. A name associated with the company that just won the 2012 Poo award for worst company in America.

A title compared to others in that list, it did not deserve. A token sentiment caused by out burst of votes from some unhappy people about a video game (imho) did not justify letting those others off the hook. Though in the grand scheme of things that award or poll etc was not worth much to begin with. Internet polls rarely are.

The same internet polls gave the same award to BP, Halliburton, and AIG. Valid then, right?

Neither consumers or investors think highly of EA.

[j78]

Kinkaku wrote...

kbct wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

It already is "EA Edmonton," BioWare is a brand not an independent company.

Exactly. I don't think everyone realizes that. Bioware is only a name now. A name associated with the company that just won the 2012 Poo award for worst company in America.

Because butthurt gamers wanted them to win, and all in all the entire award thing is meaningless...

Not to those who use it as headlines on gaming web sites and other media outlets. Share holders get skidish when they see companies their invested in having such a negative public reputation .

Modifié par j78, 06 avril 2012 - 05:03 .

[Iron Spetsnaz]

dragemuyt wrote...

So you want all those people to lose their jobs because you disliked 5 minutes of their game.

And you think this is GOOD? This whole ending thing is getting beyond ridicoulus.

I never said I disliked the ending.

And besides they could always get other jobs with their qualifications

[kbct]

Kinkaku wrote...

kbct wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

It already is "EA Edmonton," BioWare is a brand not an independent company.

Exactly. I don't think everyone realizes that. Bioware is only a name now. A name associated with the company that just won the 2012 Poo award for worst company in America.

Because butthurt gamers wanted them to win, and all in all the entire award thing is meaningless...

The stock dropped a couple percent. The EA CEO lost about $130K.

[kalle90]

What the Krogan shaman said.

[K_Tabris]

Wanting the downfall of an awesome company because they release two games that didn't please us core fans? REALLY?

I must disagree. Instead, they should just make an awesome comeback with DA3 or even KorOR2, or even an entirely new IP. It can happen.

[Aesieru]

ME DLC controversy

ME2 partial-controversy

Dragon Age 2

The Old Republic

Mass Effect 3

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Far too many issues.

[j78]

ME3 is just the cherry on top .This is not purely an ME3 thing SWTOR cost EA a ton to dev and it’s just starting to brake even, DA2 was ME3 light , BW is just not working out in a mega corporation environment .

[kbct]

NovinhaShepard wrote...

Wanting the downfall of an awesome company because they release two games that didn't please us core fans? REALLY?

I must disagree. Instead, they should just make an awesome comeback with DA3 or even KorOR2, or even an entirely new IP. It can happen.

I think most people can see the difference between BioWare games pre and post EA.

Just look at the customer reviews of ME3 and DA2 and compare them to the rest of BioWare's portfolio of games.

[AxisEvolve]

The pattern has repeated itself more times than you can fathom. Developers rise, evolve, advance. And at the apex of their glory, they are extinguished. Bioware is not the first. 

[AkiKishi]

NovinhaShepard wrote...

Wanting the downfall of an awesome company because they release two games that didn't please us core fans? REALLY?

I must disagree. Instead, they should just make an awesome comeback with DA3 or even KorOR2, or even an entirely new IP. It can happen.

It can happen but it's not likely to happen. DA3 now has all the baggage of DA2 to overcome before some people will even look at it. Reviews ? After ME3, not going to believe those, the chance of a Bioware game ever not getting negative user reviews ? Not likely. It's a downward spiral and there is not a lot that you could see that would change that course. It's a matter of when rather than if.

When EA bought Bioware the brand was like gold, now it's more like ****.

[Artemis_Entrari]

Drudgie wrote...

I don't blame EA oddly enough after all if this was money EA would make them release ending DLC. This is just Bioware being to stuck up to accept they were wrong.

This is where I'm at.  EA may have its flaws, but I don't think the ME3 ending is one of the things you can lay at EA's feet.  That was all BioWare and their "artistic vision".

As for the OP topic, it's a silly theory to even contemplate.  One poster on the first page already mentioned it, but the issue with ex-BioWare employees simply getting together afterward and forming a new company is they won't have the financial backing that the current BioWare does to make those games.

A perfect example is Obsidian Entertainment, IMO.  They're a talented bunch of developers, but they're constantly at the will of the publisher of their games because they simply don't have the financial ability to say "we'll make this game on our schedule".

In a lot of ways, I could see the OP's scenario playing out very similarly to how Obsidian is going.  A group of talented individuals who just don't have the financial freedom to do the things their way, and end up getting constrained by the people who pay their bills.

[duckley]

Yup - lets run BIOWARE out of business.

I am sure that some other compnay would be more than capable of creating games with heart and soul, clever dialogue, quality, wonderful characters, richness and depth in story and relationships. We, the fans could support that company by buying their products. We would be grateful and appreciative fans for the hours and hours and hours of wonderful game play and entertainment.

We would support the company until one day they did something we didn't like ....

[TheImmortalBeaver]

Artemis_Entrari wrote...

Drudgie wrote...

I don't blame EA oddly enough after all if this was money EA would make them release ending DLC. This is just Bioware being to stuck up to accept they were wrong.

This is where I'm at.  EA may have its flaws, but I don't think the ME3 ending is one of the things you can lay at EA's feet.  That was all BioWare and their "artistic vision".

As for the OP topic, it's a silly theory to even contemplate.  One poster on the first page already mentioned it, but the issue with ex-BioWare employees simply getting together afterward and forming a new company is they won't have the financial backing that the current BioWare does to make those games.

A perfect example is Obsidian Entertainment, IMO.  They're a talented bunch of developers, but they're constantly at the will of the publisher of their games because they simply don't have the financial ability to say "we'll make this game on our schedule".

In a lot of ways, I could see the OP's scenario playing out very similarly to how Obsidian is going.  A group of talented individuals who just don't have the financial freedom to do the things their way, and end up getting constrained by the people who pay their bills.

Exactly. As much as people dislike EA and other big, bad publishers, without them games tend to suck a lot worse. While certain indie companies, like Mojang, are able to pull of a huge, popular game, nobody talks about the droves of awful indie games that fail due to a lack of funding and a lack of staff members. Like or hate EA, they've got lots of money, and without that money, I almost wonder whether we would have ever seen any of the Mass Effect games at all.

[Jademoon121]

An outright collapse? A bit harsh.

A sharp drop in sales? Much better.


Bioware has potential. They just need to realize that people are not content with the direction they're currently taking.

[jds1bio]

People lose their jobs and benefits, and cannot afford emergency long-term medical care, a house, or to have children. Games that people liked before have even less of a chance to be made now. Gamers are left with their buyer's remorse, and the memories of a game that disappointed them.

All in the name of a romantic idea that a phoenix would rise from the ashes of something that hasn't even begun to catch fire yet?

How is this good again?

[Dean_the_Young]

Iron Spetsnaz wrote...

PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS IS MY OPINON SO FEEL FREE TO DISAGREE WITH ME IF YOU WANT (BUT NO FLAMING OR TROLLING)


Personally I feel that BioWare should go out of business, because you know why?,

Because the BioWare employees could regroup together and form a new company, where they would develop a new game series which makes up for the mistakes which they have made and that video game will be the best thing since mass effect with a good ending to boot.

And the best thing about it?, is that BioWare will be independant from EA, which means that the "New BioWare" can put the time and effort that they done before being bought by EA.

Who on earth would finance the resurrection of a company that bombed a game so badly that it went out of business on the performance of its flagship franchises?