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[Kailjaiden]

I agree with OP.

[Sebbe1337o]

I really want to get over it, I really do. Invested too much emotion into this franchise...

[Korubrus]

There are limits to how much people should voice their oppinions. Death threats, depression and legal action are well and truly too much.

In saying that, calling the dissatisfied people "Whinging and childish" is not helpful in the slightest.

As stated earlier Bioware should be very happy that there are so many people voicing their dismay at the horrible endings they provided. Atleast it gives them a chance to address it instead of losing future customers for the next saga they embark on.

It would take a lot for me to commit money and time to another saga from EA or Bioware. Giving some clarity and closure to this saga is a great leap forward to regain trust for future games. Though their failure to find out what their customers wanted before publishing the game may have cost them many of customers anyway.

Artistic freedom is fine - but in a role playing game where choices are everything IT MUST MAKE SENCE, the purpose of an ending is closure, not leaving you with more questions then before you started. And no, I dont want to interpret the ending in any particular way because no matter how you think of it - its flawed and doesn't make sence.

/End Rant.

[Vaktathi]

LordDeimos4 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

LordDeimos4 wrote...

WOW, apparently, because we complain on forums, are ready to take legal action to get the product we paid for, we have no life? We are selfish bastards who only care about themselves? We don't give a damn about world hunger, suffering, poverty etc? You don't know me, you don't know what i do when i'm not on these forums, you don't know anything about me. You don't know which organizations i support through charity donations etc. Get off that high horse and stop with these silly generalizations, it only makes you look bad.

Spending all day and night whining about a product and making legal threats is what makes you look bad, not the other way around.

There you go again with these wild generalizations. I don't spend all day and night on these forums, neither have i threatened legal action. But those who do have a right to do so. Like it or not, this what these forums are for, to voice our opinions, don't like? Leave.

Pretty much all he ever posts is complaints about other people complaining and how they shouldn't post and how they aren't really fans, just ignore him.

If people don't find Bioware's plan of action adequately satisfies their issues, they have every right to continue making their voice heard. Will it have any effect? Probably not in any way related to the game anymore in all honesty, Bioware has made their choice, but at this point they've taken a severe blow to their credibility that will likely translate to affects on future sales, and the choice they have may not be sufficient to address that credibility issue.

We shall see how it turns out, however I do not see myself pre-ordering games anymore, and, unless the "Extended Cut" custcene DLC manages to truly blow me away (not likely given that the issues with the ending extend beyond the simple ending cinematics and right down to the core narrative paradigm and the entire ending scenario) I will not be purchasing any more Mass Effect content, despite my great love of the universe.

[Dragoonlordz]

LordDeimos4 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

LordDeimos4 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

LordDeimos4 wrote...

WOW, apparently, because we complain on forums, are ready to take legal action to get the product we paid for, we have no life? We are selfish bastards who only care about themselves? We don't give a damn about world hunger, suffering, poverty etc? You don't know me, you don't know what i do when i'm not on these forums, you don't know anything about me. You don't know which organizations i support through charity donations etc. Get off that high horse and stop with these silly generalizations, it only makes you look bad.

Spending all day and night whining about a product and making legal threats is what makes you look bad, not the other way around.

There you go again with these wild generalizations. I don't spend all day and night on these forums, neither have i threatened legal action. But those who do have a right to do so. Like it or not, this what these forums are for, to voice our opinions, don't like? Leave.

I think I'll be here long after those who hate the ending, hate Bioware and hate their products go thanks because I still like their products.

Well, good for you! I don't like what they did wih DA2 and i certainly don't like what they did with the ending to ME3. I'll be here until the ME3 issue is resolved and will continue to voice my opinion as best i can without resorting to  name calling, death threats and wild generalizations tyvm

Well you won't have to wait long, they told you exactly what they are going to do and what they are not going to do so you will just have to wait till see what it is they create within that framework of what they said plan on doing.

But if you think any rewrite or replacement of the endings is on the cards like some people have said, then I think it is time to burst that bubble of denial already. They have repeated time and time again that the DLC will be elucidation and clarification not replacement. They firmly said this time and time again, so time to let that sink in if you have not already.

[Orthodox Infidel]

biggest_loser wrote...

The ending debacle continues to rage on. We've heard stories about death threats, fans claming depression and so on. People need to realise that in the scope of the world, a bad video game ending is like a drop in the ocean.

So? 

I noticed that there is thread on this board where people have said that they are prepared to sue Bioware over their false promises and false advertising. Someone went as far to say that they have already had a lawyer in New Zealand look over the case. Lets not even mention the cakes yet.

I've noticed that there is a poster on this board who doesn't own the game yet is lecturing people who do own the game about how they should feel about the game they paid for.

I am here to argue that people on this board need to desperately move on with their lives or more specifically realise how trivial pursuing this is when we consider some of the problems being faced in the greater scheme of the world. 

Just consider for a moment what real suffering and what real world problems are:  SNIP

Ok. Nobody denies that there's "real suffering" and "real world problems." Maybe some of us spend most of our time working on these "real world problems" and would like to spend our free time on an uplifting escape, like saving the galaxy.

Its time for Bioware fans to look outside the bubble and realise that there are more important things going on in the world.

Nobody claimed that there weren't more important things going on. This is a strawman.

Yes you might have spent many hours on this game but that was your choice. There are greater problems in the world that we can spend our time, attention and resources on than a crappy video game ending.

Sure. Ok. What are you doing for that besides vaguely berating us about it?

Bioware fans I call on you to lay down your arms and have some empathy for the people who are truly suffering!

If you really thought it there were more important things to do, then you wouldn't waste your time asking us to "lay down are arms."

[Farbautisonn]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I think I'll be here long after those who hate the ending, hate Bioware and hate their products go thanks because I still like their products.

-That might not be as long as you would like. Because Bioware has to make bulk sales. Not just cater to the "Aethestically enlightened".

[slimgrin]

OP, You're bringing up world tragedies in comparison to a video game? Absurd. Never worked when my mom tried it either.

[LordDeimos4]

Vaktathi wrote...

LordDeimos4 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

LordDeimos4 wrote...

WOW, apparently, because we complain on forums, are ready to take legal action to get the product we paid for, we have no life? We are selfish bastards who only care about themselves? We don't give a damn about world hunger, suffering, poverty etc? You don't know me, you don't know what i do when i'm not on these forums, you don't know anything about me. You don't know which organizations i support through charity donations etc. Get off that high horse and stop with these silly generalizations, it only makes you look bad.

Spending all day and night whining about a product and making legal threats is what makes you look bad, not the other way around.

There you go again with these wild generalizations. I don't spend all day and night on these forums, neither have i threatened legal action. But those who do have a right to do so. Like it or not, this what these forums are for, to voice our opinions, don't like? Leave.

Pretty much all he ever posts is complaints about other people complaining and how they shouldn't post and how they aren't really fans, just ignore him.

If people don't find Bioware's plan of action adequately satisfies their issues, they have every right to continue making their voice heard. Will it have any effect? Probably not in any way related to the game anymore in all honesty, Bioware has made their choice, but at this point they've taken a severe blow to their credibility that will likely translate to affects on future sales, and the choice they have may not be sufficient to address that credibility issue.

We shall see how it turns out, however I do not see myself pre-ordering games anymore, and, unless the "Extended Cut" custcene DLC manages to truly blow me away (not likely given that the issues with the ending extend beyond the simple ending cinematics and right down to the core narrative paradigm and the entire ending scenario) I will not be purchasing any more Mass Effect content, despite my great love of the universe.

I know what they said, i know what they plan on giving us and thats why i'm still here, to tell them its not good enough. I'm denial? No, i'm emotionally invested in the franchise and i refuse to let this go without atleast trying to get them to make it right. Hopeless? Maybe, but i'm a dedicated fan (or was, depends on how you look at it) and i will continue to push for a better ending.

[Rudy Lis]

jedi.flow wrote...

A car without brakes can kill you and others. A bad video game ending cannot.

Damage to morale?

*Eddie Irvine mode off*

[AkiKishi]

First world problems , only heard it since ME3 was released but now it's one of my favourites.

[killnoob]

and yet anti-retakers and pro enders  are still arguing with retaker and anti-ender on the forum, maybe they should start focusing on those "REAL WORLD ISSUES" you mentioned in your post as well

Modifié par killnoob, 06 avril 2012 - 02:41 .

[DoctorEss]

 There's a ton of reasons why it's poor debate to essentially tell people "you are not allowed to be upset by X, because Y over here is worse".

Don't do that.  It's not a zero sum game, in other words, just because someone else, somewhere else, is suffering/in pain/upset, doesn't negate anyone else's suffering/upset/pain.

[goten11756]

If you have no problems with the endings, move on. No one is asking you to defend Bioware's crap job on the ending, that makes no sense whatsoever.

[Vesji]

Thank you for sharing your opinion, but I see no meaningful point.

"Stop complaining about "little" problems and take a look at the "big" ones. Feeling ashamed?"

I could have only, and have already, donated to these causes to ease the problems. I can't do anything else. I can't legally ship medication there to help with disease. I can't  imploy 15 assistants to help the unemployment issues.

I can vote on election and hope the person that gets elected can make things better.
I can voice my opinion and share the necessary solutions in my view, for fixing the problems we have.

I can not do anything else to help.

Because of this system, I and many other people, are left with some free time. How we spend our free time is our damn business. Voicing and sharing our opinions however, is our duty as humans, fellow.

If you are telling me money grubbing, milking consumer bases, and sensationalization of lies are all fine and dandy things, then you are wrong.
If you are telling me corporatism and capitalism are the best ways for society to progress, then what those people, that you are condemning to be useless pricks, are doing our civilization a huge favour.

The problem is in your washing machine.

[Chrillze]

All these entitled fans got what they wanted and they are still whining, this just shows how much credability the retake movement has

[woodbyte]

biggest_loser wrote...
The ending debacle continues to rage on. We've heard stories about death threats, fans claming depression and so on. People need to realise that in the scope of the world, a bad video game ending is like a drop in the ocean. 

(...)

Its time for Bioware fans to look outside the bubble and realise that there are more important things going on in the world. Yes you might have spent many hours on this game but that was your choice. There are greater problems in the world that we can spend our time, attention and resources on than a crappy video game ending. Bioware fans I call on you to lay down your arms and have some empathy for the people who are truly suffering! 

Nonsense.

Each person should try to look for solutions to problems that matter to them (the ones they have an emotional stake in). If you feel the Haiti disaster is important to you, then by all means do your best to help (in part because you will benefit emotionally). Just don't expect the same from others.

First world problems are problems nonetheless and to  ignore or belittle them is to deny ourselves happiness.

[Dragoonlordz]

Farbautisonn wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

I think I'll be here long after those who hate the ending, hate Bioware and hate their products go thanks because I still like their products.

-That might not be as long as you would like. Because Bioware has to make bulk sales. Not just cater to the "Aethestically enlightened".

The sales numbers I have and other seen is extremely good thanks. Do you remember the 'pre-order cancelled' meme. This for the most part is no different. A lot of threats, a lot of hostility but in the end many of them are just simply huff and puff and grandstanding. Of course they will deny it the ones who are using such tactics but most of them will still be here, still buying their games and still whining about those games each time one comes out. Very few will move on with their lives, most it would seem are too attached to ranting on these forums in first place.

Civility went out the window long ago for many of those and now it is beginning to bite hem in the arse as the developers are spending less and less time here listening to the vitriol and pure hatred coming from such people, the other media sources for the most part are now aggressive towards members here who do nothing but complain on a daily basis with little to any positive words coming forth from their mouths (or fingers). A lot of the fanbase here is beginning to also get tired of the constant whining which is why more and more of these threads are popping up and also at this stage (almost) everyone I know and many of the people wherever I go on the internet gaming sites when bring up the Bioware fanbase they do nothing but mock the people here.

The longer this goes on the more it hurts you the ones complaining 24/7. The methods you use and the way in which you leave your feedback not with simply posting a polite reasonable response but instead threats and hyperbole, vitriol and insults directed very much at individual members of the development team. Death threats too only recently with regard to Jennifer. The fact is you lot have taken it too far.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 06 avril 2012 - 02:52 .

[TheNevincer]

It can always be worse. Always. Sadly, that's just our lot in life. We can't just ignore all first world problems because measured against the problems of others it's insigifnicant.

[Dragoonlordz]

LordDeimos4 wrote...

Vaktathi wrote...

LordDeimos4 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

LordDeimos4 wrote...

WOW, apparently, because we complain on forums, are ready to take legal action to get the product we paid for, we have no life? We are selfish bastards who only care about themselves? We don't give a damn about world hunger, suffering, poverty etc? You don't know me, you don't know what i do when i'm not on these forums, you don't know anything about me. You don't know which organizations i support through charity donations etc. Get off that high horse and stop with these silly generalizations, it only makes you look bad.

Spending all day and night whining about a product and making legal threats is what makes you look bad, not the other way around.

There you go again with these wild generalizations. I don't spend all day and night on these forums, neither have i threatened legal action. But those who do have a right to do so. Like it or not, this what these forums are for, to voice our opinions, don't like? Leave.

Pretty much all he ever posts is complaints about other people complaining and how they shouldn't post and how they aren't really fans, just ignore him.

If people don't find Bioware's plan of action adequately satisfies their issues, they have every right to continue making their voice heard. Will it have any effect? Probably not in any way related to the game anymore in all honesty, Bioware has made their choice, but at this point they've taken a severe blow to their credibility that will likely translate to affects on future sales, and the choice they have may not be sufficient to address that credibility issue.

We shall see how it turns out, however I do not see myself pre-ordering games anymore, and, unless the "Extended Cut" custcene DLC manages to truly blow me away (not likely given that the issues with the ending extend beyond the simple ending cinematics and right down to the core narrative paradigm and the entire ending scenario) I will not be purchasing any more Mass Effect content, despite my great love of the universe.

I know what they said, i know what they plan on giving us and thats why i'm still here, to tell them its not good enough. I'm denial? No, i'm emotionally invested in the franchise and i refuse to let this go without atleast trying to get them to make it right. Hopeless? Maybe, but i'm a dedicated fan (or was, depends on how you look at it) and i will continue to push for a better ending.

Then you'll still be screaming at the sun for rising when ME4 or DA5 is out and beyond.

They told you what they are doing and no you will not change that fact. It is what they have said they are doing for weeks now through twitter and now directly though statement. They could not make it anymore clearer for you.

[sp0ck 06]

sorentoft wrote...

I'm sorry, I do not care about those people. I do care that the product I purchased actually works as described.

This is the kind of attitude that makes me glad Bioware threw in some endings that feel too much like real life.  You people need to get a life

[LordDeimos4]

Who said i would be screaming? I will voice my concerns and my opinions for as long as like. Like i said, this is what these forums are for. You don't know how Bioware works, and you have no insight on their strategy going forward. There might not be a new ME game and they might change their mind about all this, Insisting we stop complaining and voicing our opinions is ridiculous and is not going to happen. I'm here for the long haul, not a short term fix. If we let this slide, developers will see this as an opportunity to continue to nickel and dime us even more.