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[Dragoonlordz]

slyguy200 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

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Did I hurt your feelings? If you like, you can start a RetakeTissues movement.

Dragon's posts are all pretty much like this sort of thing, and deflections and stuff, but not many legit counterpoints.

I have countered every point you make thanks, most of the time you do not even have any points to counter because your responses and replies are hardly ever about the topic just individuals within the thread. You and L00p are the two people who do this more so than anyone else here on these forums.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 06 avril 2012 - 03:20 .

[PiEman]

Once again: Herrings, herrings everywhere, particularly the red kind.

A red herring (in a debate or argument), is when somebody throws an issue into the discussion that has nothing to do with what's being talked about, just to try and throw everyone else off. In this case, people are trying to guilt us into letting EA bend us over a rusty barrel and have their way with our money, just because there are bigger issues that wouldn't even be within the scope of this forum.

Maybe, just maybe, people are actually concerned with those things too, but use this forum as a medium to discuss this particular problem, which happens to be one they might just have more control over than a natural f*cking disaster.

[Tangster]

I don't count myself as a "Bioware fan". Not anymore.

[Vaktathi]

Wstonefi2 wrote...

Turbotanden wrote...

Say you bought a new car. They gave you a car without breaks. When you complain you are called whiney and childish for feeling "entitled". The car company finally agrees to give you a gearbox that allows you to engine break a little more efficiently. If you are unhappy with this solution then you are obviously not considering the fact that some people in this world are starving while you actually have a car.

Except that's a poor analogy. It's not like a car without breaks because your game works. You can play it. You have 99% of an awesome game, and a last 1% that leaves something to be desired. But it works. So go play it, shut it off before you get to the ending, and stop complaining.

If you run into the black screen of death that locks you out of the entire game, THEN you can complain about them selling you a faulty product.

A better analogy would be the car was advertised as having a certain fuel economy and failing massively to live up to anything near that, regardless of how well the rest of the car performs/how nice it is, that's going to be an issue.

[Dragoonlordz]

slyguy200 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

slyguy200 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

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Did I hurt your feelings? If you like, you can start a RetakeTissues movement.

Dragon's posts are all pretty much like this sort of thing, and deflections and stuff, but not many legit counterpoints.

I have countered every point you make thanks, most of the time you do not even have any points to counter because your responses and replies are hardly ever about the topic just individuals within the thread.

Not really. Your comments have been flame-baiting and mostly off topic to. I have made points and your responses are often accusations and deflections and stuff.

Yes really.

I find it very funny how you two buddies, first thing said in this topic from the pair of you was nothing more than derogatory and also aimed at me coming from L00p. Yet now here you are trying to pretend you had anything constructive to add to the topic or that you had come in here to discuss rather than insult. Sorry but your not kidding anyone.

L00p wrote...

slyguy200 wrote...

huge thread, should be shortened.

Indeed. Where are the dragonslayers moderators?

Deflection is clearly your forte Sly.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 06 avril 2012 - 03:26 .

[Dragoonlordz]

PiEman wrote...

Once again: Herrings, herrings everywhere, particularly the red kind.

A red herring (in a debate or argument), is when somebody throws an issue into the discussion that has nothing to do with what's being talked about, just to try and throw everyone else off. In this case, people are trying to guilt us into letting EA bend us over a rusty barrel and have their way with our money, just because there are bigger issues that wouldn't even be within the scope of this forum.

Maybe, just maybe, people are actually concerned with those things too, but use this forum as a medium to discuss this particular problem, which happens to be one they might just have more control over than a natural f*cking disaster.

Noone is forcing you to do anything, you don't have to buy their products, there was no gun to your head. You could even of probably got a refund and bought something else.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 06 avril 2012 - 03:30 .

[LordDeimos4]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

PiEman wrote...

Once again: Herrings, herrings everywhere, particularly the red kind.

A red herring (in a debate or argument), is when somebody throws an issue into the discussion that has nothing to do with what's being talked about, just to try and throw everyone else off. In this case, people are trying to guilt us into letting EA bend us over a rusty barrel and have their way with our money, just because there are bigger issues that wouldn't even be within the scope of this forum.

Maybe, just maybe, people are actually concerned with those things too, but use this forum as a medium to discuss this particular problem, which happens to be one they might just have more control over than a natural f*cking disaster.

Noone is forcing you to do anything, you don't have to buy their products, there wa no gun to your head. You could even of probably got a refund and bought something else.

Ofcourse we could get a refund, but you know what? I would also like the developer to know what they screwed up, how they screwed it up and offer options on how they can fix it. That is why we are here.

Modifié par LordDeimos4, 06 avril 2012 - 03:35 .

[PiEman]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

PiEman wrote...

Once again: Herrings, herrings everywhere, particularly the red kind.

A red herring (in a debate or argument), is when somebody throws an issue into the discussion that has nothing to do with what's being talked about, just to try and throw everyone else off. In this case, people are trying to guilt us into letting EA bend us over a rusty barrel and have their way with our money, just because there are bigger issues that wouldn't even be within the scope of this forum.

Maybe, just maybe, people are actually concerned with those things too, but use this forum as a medium to discuss this particular problem, which happens to be one they might just have more control over than a natural f*cking disaster.

Noone is forcing you to do anything, you don't have to buy their products, there was no gun to your head. You could even of probably got a refund and bought something else.

No, but as long as you keep buying them, they'll keep making crap.

That's how EA operates. Keeping quality just barely acceptable to the bottom of the barrel.

[PiEman]

Lyme Eilserv wrote...

So let me get this straight... We should be ok with the **** ending because things are bad on Haiti??

Worst OP ever.

This.

Like I said, red herrings. People try to throw you off with something that has nothing to do with the topic.

Actually, if anything, the petition for ME3 opened my awareness to sites like Change.org. I've since voted in several petitions sent to me by e-mail, for things like the Treyvon shooting in Florida, and the "slime" issue in school lunches.

[stabbykitteh]

Turbotanden wrote...

Say you bought a new car. They gave you a car without breaks. When you complain you are called whiney and childish for feeling "entitled". The car company finally agrees to give you a gearbox that allows you to engine break a little more efficiently. If you are unhappy with this solution then you are obviously not considering the fact that some people in this world are starving while you actually have a car.

This illustrates the problem: No breaks on a car = potential, actual death, for driver and others.
Being unhappy with the ending of video game = feeling temporarily unsatisfied (it'll pass, I promise).
Not even in the same ballpark. Perspective is good, seriously.

[Dragoonlordz]

Flummox wrote...

Turbotanden wrote...

Say you bought a new car. They gave you a car without breaks. When you complain you are called whiney and childish for feeling "entitled". The car company finally agrees to give you a gearbox that allows you to engine break a little more efficiently. If you are unhappy with this solution then you are obviously not considering the fact that some people in this world are starving while you actually have a car.

This illustrates the problem: No breaks on a car = potential, actual death, for driver and others.
Being unhappy with the ending of video game = feeling temporarily unsatisfied (it'll pass, I promise).
Not even in the same ballpark. Perspective is good, seriously.

I agree, many of these people can't see the forest past the tree they are standing in front of here. It's a video game but the way some of them are ranting on and on day and night it would seem more like an oxygen supply to them.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 06 avril 2012 - 03:41 .

[RaenImrahl]

@Dragoonlordz and @L00p banned for incessant bickering. More may follow.

Let's make one thing clear... a perceived lack of moderation does not excuse *anyone* for being abusive, insulting, or trollish... even in the event they see other users doing the same.

Modifié par RaenImrahl, 06 avril 2012 - 03:51 .

[o Ventus]

Another one of those "Stop caring about a video game when the real world is crap!" type of posts?

Modifié par o Ventus, 06 avril 2012 - 03:51 .

[Getorex]

Why the f*ck are you here posting a forum topic when you SHOULD be in Haiti, or off sending boxes and money to Haiti? What's WRONG with you? Where's your priorities?

[Doodledorf]

RaenImrahl wrote...

@Dragoonlordz and @L00p banned for incessant bickering. More may follow.

Let's make one thing clear... a perceived lack of moderation does not excuse *anyone* from being abusive, insulting, or trollish... even in the event they see other users doing the same.

I'm surprised that guy Slyguy was not also banned. Seemed to be a three way street not two way.

With regards to the topic at hand I personally think the aggression has gone on too long. The complaints I mean.

Bioware said what plan to do. I think people should let them do it, then decide if what they like or not.

[aquamutt]

L00p wrote...

Strange, he should be banned weeks ago with such behavior. What's up with that, is he PAID or something?

funny you should say this found a rather intresting read about ea paying ppl to be trolls
www.cinemablend.com/games/EA-Viral-Marketing-Exposed-Big-Buyout-Horizon-40885.html

Modifié par aquamutt, 06 avril 2012 - 04:25 .

[Baine10]

You see, this is not the point. Everywhere, there are problems. People who take time and effort into solving this problem is not homogeneous to people who take time to solve, say, world suffering.

We are solving problems one by one. you can't call a biochemist to create a new structure. You call a architect. People who are trying to gain resolution to this have all the right to do so.

Then, it is you who is the issue. You can't tell people to "channel their energies" to other things, that would be imposing values they don't hold onto them. This ending debacle conflicts with the values they possess: thus they band together to solve this "problem".

Haiti and thus are problems beyond us. Donate money you say? that is simply taping a leaking water pipe: you need to replace the pipe, not patch it over and over again.

Unemployment? are you telling Bioware Social users to create companies and create jobs? Doesn't that sound nonsensical?

Telling others to shut up about their problems just because there are other problems in the world isn't valid. This is a game forum. They are well within their environment and circumstance to complain/campaign about what they are passionate about however they want. It is only up to the others to judge, like you have.

Clearly, you are the one who is taking this assumption too far. I say, let them campaign, let them sue. EA is indeed becoming a very inefficient engine of a company. Look at their games. It's a prime example of the lack of motivation to innovate. I quote from EA "we will continue to make games that 300 million people over the world enjoy". This was meant as a dismissive taunt, but as it was in response to their winning of the worst company of the year, it backfired, only making them sound indignant and arrogant, like that bully who failed his end year exam horribly(I don't like pickles on my burger, by the way), only to wave his marks in your face and saying:"I'm still stronger than you."

Telling people to "desperately move away from the game" and to "move on" as this is a "trivial matter" is wrong. Everything is important. This is a revolution. Imagine a day when gamers have a right to protest the butchering of their game-story, a right to stop big companies from lying about what they promised to the gamer. That whatever big gaming companies say is as accountable as what a bio-research company announces in the form of cure advancements.

Our world is expanding. Video games are only going to reach more and more people. EA is already beginning to show up as the World Bank of gaming, big as it is. We do not want games to stagnate and be on the whims of a few. Imagine how destructive it would be if video games freely promoted accepting things as it is, that one has no power to change it.(Then, wouldn't everyone be a mindless drone? Only doing what is socially perceived as "safe)" Mass Effect 3's ending is one such example. You had all the choices up till the end. The end just shoved the fact all your efforts are futile in the grand scheme and tells you that the 3 options it presents you with are the only ways out. Ironic, since you talk about problems bigger than video games. Mass effect addressed huge issues also, compassion, empathy, relationships and prompts the player to think-- that is in itself wonderful that a game can achieve so.

Don't think of Retake mass effect as a fanboy-ish care group. Instead, think of it as a organization of like-minded problem solvers. Of course, when you make things public there are bound to be less intelligent and more passionate/emotionally blind people that rally to the same cause, but everyone plays his part, for better or for worse. The ideal behind the group is a good one:standing up for what is deserving, for what is right. The motto "hold the line" only enforces the idea of a resolute but reasonable approach to the problem. Don't take the "vocal minority"(as entitlists like to say) of the group, to judge the majority.

Long post short, don't impose on others, but rather consider their standpoint and motivations. Then see what the issue's big picture is really about, which is what Bioware in all their "artistic integrity" always emphasize.

Oh, I always bit*h about Bioware's artistic integrity, so here it is: Man, all this art crap..... My teacher in kindergarten always liked my art. In a condescending, "I wanna go home now" kind of way.