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[Il Divo]

biggest_loser wrote...

Good luck trying to hold that up before the jury! 

Il Divo wrote...

From the perspective of the consumer, the distinction is irrelevant. The question to ask is fairly straightforward: did the product entertain? If the answer is no, whether it was broken or simply bad quality is irrelevant, it didn't live up to its purpose.

And no, this is not an endorsement of using subjective measures of quality to claim false advertising.

You're not very bright, are you?

[TheGoddess0fWar]

I was going to add to the discussion. Till I saw the OP's username.

[mybudgee]

I really like having something to whine about, though...

[DiggingistDog]

The OP assumes that just because people care about the ending of a game they do not care about Haiti.

You are right that nothing on these forums stand up to that kind of problem but you fail to realize that that doesn't mean that problems such as what happened and happening around the world are being neglected because of retake me3. That's like saying I shouldn't vote because I could be spending time building a house for a homeless person.

[oksbad]

The problem is that the world has so many problems that no matter what a person is upset about I can trivialize it much in the same way. People can spend their free time complaining about what they want. 

Of course there are people who take it too far, people who take (or rather claim they will take) legal action, those who deliver threats etc. but those exist in any group. Any group over a certain size has its nutjobs, and judging a group based on those nutjobs is wrong. One can't judge the entire pro-life movement based on extremists who send death threats to abortion doctors, one can't judge all christians by the actions of extremists who picket funerals of fallen soldiers, one can't judge all atheists by the actions of those who wish to to criminalize religion, and one can't judge a group of dissasified players by the actions of those that take it too far.

Modifié par oksbad, 07 avril 2012 - 01:08 .

[XTR3M3]

are there fans that have gone over the top? sure. is our opinion valid that the ending wasn't as promised...without a doubt. You can have one without the other. Don't show low intelligence by lumping all of us in with the rabid and unreasonable fans. Us "reasonable" fans are going to vote with our checkbook....or should I say lack of checkbook uses for DLC for ME3 if EAware's ending solution is as bad as the "choose a color" ending was.

I won't reward screw ups. the ending was a screw up IMHO and can be fixed. my future Mass Effect gaming DLC spending depends on it. You can disagree with my opinion of the ending. if you disagree with my right to express displeasure in it without threatening childish lawsuits over broken promises, then the problem is yours. <---speaking generally, not at any certain person.

[Whailor]

People are not talking or (rightfully) bringing out the "ending" alone. Whole game has been stupid. In previous games the choices what people made had an effect, both at the end of the game and during the gameplay. In ME3 things just "go on" and absolutely nothing matters, nothing what players do in ME3, nothing what they did in ME1 and ME2. BS endings are just one part of it.

As for you, OP, then you whine here just as much with the Haiti thing. If I want to do anything about Haiti thing then I check with Red Cross. At the appropriate time, in the appropriate place. On a gaming related site I deal with gaming related thing and no one, especially you, have anything to say about it. Funny how your opinion should matter but the opinion of others, who do not agree with you and with BW, does not matter. Well, newsflash for you, everyone has the right for their opinion, including those who do not like or agree with something.

As for me, what BW and EA did accomplish for me personally is total and complete stop on buying anything from them related to ME merchandise. And I know that there are A LOT of people who feel and do the same. And I will, from now on, carefully choose what and if I will buy BW and EA products. I was the person who always did the pre-orders as soon as the product was announced and almost always went for CE pack, never questioned BW as I considered them to do quality work. Until ME3. Now I see that the trust was misplaced and I am honestly very sad that I pre-ordered ME3. Because if I would have waited some and then seen what a nonsense it is, I would have never bought it.

Modifié par Whailor, 07 avril 2012 - 01:10 .

[Bone3ater]

OP...get out.

Srsly man, I don't know what you're talking about. Try changing WORLD PROBLEMS, by god, like it's that easy. Your whole argumentation is kind of misplaced in a forum about games, don't you think?

Also, not sure if trolling....

[biggest_loser]

Bone3ater wrote...

OP...get out.

Srsly man, I don't know what you're talking about. Try changing WORLD PROBLEMS, by god, like it's that easy. Your whole argumentation is kind of misplaced in a forum about games, don't you think?

Also, not sure if trolling....

No.

[biggest_loser]

Hyrist wrote...

Again, I claify my reasons for removing my support of Bioware here, in hope they will learn the lesson and change their policies.

There is nothing to 'get over'. This debacle is a stern disagreement and separation between consumer and company. BioWare has taken their stance, and will have to deal with the consequences of this. This means upset customers, refunds, and a strike on their reputation that will follow them as the months and years come.

You may not like this, but this is the facts and how they stand. I work in customer service every day, and I know how it feels taking the direct heat from bad company decisions. But that does not mean the customer's opinion is suddenly wrong because I don't like how they behave.

Sorry Admiral, but you're just creating that separation by taking a video game way too seriously. 

[Dridengx]

sorentoft wrote...

I'm sorry, I do not care about those people. I do care that the product I purchased actually works as described.

Your copy doesn't work? That's not Bioware's fault. You should have exchanged it for a working copy

[Dridengx]

Il Divo wrote...

biggest_loser wrote...

Good luck trying to hold that up before the jury! 

Il Divo wrote...

From the perspective of the consumer, the distinction is irrelevant. The question to ask is fairly straightforward: did the product entertain? If the answer is no, whether it was broken or simply bad quality is irrelevant, it didn't live up to its purpose.

And no, this is not an endorsement of using subjective measures of quality to claim false advertising.

You're not very bright, are you?

hmm insulting yourself? no complaints here but I found it very disturbing

[chris fenton]

Oh look, it's THIS thread again.

[What a Succulent Ass]

>OP preaches about suffering and "real world problems"
>Posting on a gaming forum on the Internet

[Alchemist4]

biggest_loser wrote...
I am here to argue that people on this board need to desperately move on with their lives or more specifically realise how trivial pursuing this is when we consider some of the problems being faced in the greater scheme of the world. 

Just consider for a moment what real suffering and what real world problems are: 

If you feel so strongly about it, why are you here in a forum instead out on the streets or some organization trying to do something about it. However, you decide to sit there in front of your screen typing away.

Modifié par Alchemist4, 07 avril 2012 - 02:09 .

[What a Succulent Ass]

In the interest of science, have you ever actually been to a T3 country, OP? Or actually worked with your own poor?

[slyborg]

OMG cause people are so one-dimensional that they can't have a wide variety of interests and causes to support! I volunteer at a vet's office, so I can't possibly have the time to express my distaste for a clichéd ending to one of my favorite video game series as well!

[Volus Warlord]

[Il Divo]

Dridengx wrote...

Il Divo wrote...

biggest_loser wrote...

Good luck trying to hold that up before the jury! 

Il Divo wrote...

From the perspective of the consumer, the distinction is irrelevant. The question to ask is fairly straightforward: did the product entertain? If the answer is no, whether it was broken or simply bad quality is irrelevant, it didn't live up to its purpose.

And no, this is not an endorsement of using subjective measures of quality to claim false advertising.

You're not very bright, are you?

hmm insulting yourself? no complaints here but I found it very disturbing

You seem to be about on his level, given your reading comprehension.

[Unfallen_Satan]

I am ok with the content of the current ending and happy with the announced DLC, but I respect others' rights to be unhappy with it. Instead of asking them to stop, I hope BW grows in the process. I hope they develop a thicker hide so they can better withstand controversy surrounding their vision and take stock of how their various actions related to ME3 controversies have affected the effective delivery of their vision to the gaming community. I think it's neither necessary nor desirable to appeal to everyone or even a significant majority, as long as BW handles itself with poise.

[What a Succulent Ass]

Il Divo wrote...

You seem to be about on his level, given your reading comprehension.

I'm assuming that was an attempt to be clever.

[Il Divo]

Edit: Comment removed.

Modifié par Il Divo, 07 avril 2012 - 02:40 .