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[daecath]

Justin2k wrote...
But what if Bioware came out with the next big thing.  Something which is better than Mass Effect 1.  Something better than Dragonage.  What if they came out with the new "skyrim", the game that everyone knows someone who is playing.

Will you really honestly sit it out because of principles?  It doesn't
look like it if I'm honest.  You can all tick a poll that you will never
buy a Bioware product ever again, but yet you still sit on their forums
every day.  And now it's like all people do is complain and you have to
consider, why not just go and do something fun for you?  Bioware have
said what they intend to do, it isn't going to change, so if you don't
like it what on earth is the point?

The only way you are going to hold any line is if you start to do what
you threaten and just leave.  If they still get your money it really
doesn't matter how many cupcakes you send them.   I think you guys enjoy
Bioware games too much to actually go because if I didn't like a
company I wouldn't waste months on trolling their forums like you guys
are now.

I like Skyrim, but it's no Mass Effect. No other game, no other franchise, no other developer does or has ever been able to do what BioWare has done with Mass Effect. But to answer your point, if BioWare came out with a game that was better than Mass Effect 1, I'm honestly not sure.

See, I have two problems with the ending. My second problem with it is that I see it as a symptom of a general decline in quality from BioWare. It's been really subtle up to this point - I enjoyed SWTOR and DAII, although neither one have kept my attention like ME did. However, the nosedive that the ending took, the fact that they could get it so wrong, and not even know it, makes me worried that the company I loved is gone. So if they produced a game that harkened back to the days of old BioWare, with the level of quality in ME1, then I might change my mind. But it still wouldn't address my first issue.

And I have already left SWTOR, as much as it pained me. I did like that game, but I love ME more.

Justin2k wrote...
Just get over it please, for the sake of everyone else here.  Shepard deserves better fans.

Shepard deserves better fans than those who are willing to accept the poorly written mess that was the ending of ME3. You want to know why we stay? I can't speak for everyone, but for me, it's because I want this game to live up to its potential. I want it to go down in history as a great work of art. I want it to be a great technical and artistic accomplishment that will set the standard for games, for entertainment, and for art in general. I want it to be bigger than Star Trek, bigger than Star Wars. Because it deserves it. Because it is relevant to today's society, because it is an engaging story that does something unprecidented in the history of society, and merged audience and artist in the way a story is told. Sure, you could point to a "choose your own adventure" book and say "Nuh uh, see, they do it too". But not like this, not to this immersive degree. It could have been. It should have been.

Instead we get an ending that violates every rule of good writing. You never introduce a new character right at the end of your story. You never introduce a new plot right at the end of your story. And BioWare made a mistake so bad, that the article in my link didn't even think of it. They changed the protagonist of the story. Shepard is no longer the hero, s/he is a plot device. The protagonist becomes the starbrat. It is the starbrat's decision to end the reapers that stops the threat, not anything Shepard does. It is the starbrat who decides how to bring the threat to an end. Shepard is only a vessel that starbrat uses to carry out that decision. Sure, Shepard gets the A,B,C choice, but if I locked you in a Jigsaw style trap, and told you your only options to escape were to cut off your arm, cut off your leg, or else you would have your spine snapped, would that really be your choice? Shepard, at the very end of all three games, becomes nothing more than a tool of a character that was introduced in the last few minutes because the writers either couldn't come up with anything better, were too rushed to come up with anything better, or just got lazy.

I've been a fan of BioWare since KOTOR. I have every game since then, every DLC since then, I own DAO, and all 3 ME's on both 360 and PC. I own CE versions of every game that had a CE version. I own posters, action figures, t-shirts. I am a fan. And as a fan, I believe this franchise deserves better than the ending it got. I want to see it live up to the tremendous potential it had. 

Modifié par daecath, 06 avril 2012 - 07:42 .

[Bhaal]

Justin2k wrote...
Titanic crash was more serious than ME3 ok?  Jesus, some people.

This is sarcasm right?

I hope.

Modifié par Adakutay, 06 avril 2012 - 07:42 .

[BeefoTheBold]

Justin2k wrote...

BeefoTheBold wrote...

Justin2k wrote...

DashRunner92 wrote...

aeonlifestream wrote...

I'm here honestly to laugh at the self entitlement some users think they deserve.

Here's an idea; if you don't like the ending, make up your own instead of insulting the company with petty insults, making moronic statements and generally making a fool of yourself. I don't like the ending, but I moved on and honestly am eager to see the Extended Cut.

Oh wow, did you just compare 10 minutes of a video game to thousands of people dying? 

No, the person made a joke and showed that a very bad ending can totally ruin the entire journey.

Lol, no, you are comparing 10 minutes of a video game to a boat crashing into an iceberg and killing thousands of people.

You really really really really need to get a grip on your life and priorities.  Titanic crash was more serious than ME3 ok?  Jesus, some people.

No, that isn't what the person did and it's either painfully stupid or completely disingenuous to think they did.

They're obviously making a tongue in cheek joke about a particular journey having the worst possible ending to illustrate a point, not drawing a direct equivalence.

It's a joke in the same sense that some of those Hitler videos with subtitles are obviously jokes.

You're just intentionally trying to troll at this point by deliberately misinterpreting what the individual who posted the picture was trying to say.

[Justin2k]

LOL look at the picture.

Someone just compared the ending to Mass Effect 3 to the crash of the Titanic.

And sure they weren't being literal but you know that picture? There are people under the water dying. Tasteless to post it as a joke.

[Felene]

Because I can.

Because I condemn false advertising.

Because I am entitle to 500+ hours and $300+ I spend over the ME franchise.

Because Shepard needs better fans that understood what Shepard believes in, not what BioWare want us to believes in.

And lastly, because BioWare deserve better fans that keeps them on a straight path, not fans mindlessly agreeing to whatever they did.

Modifié par Felene, 06 avril 2012 - 07:49 .

[Mundl]

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You're just intentionally trying to troll at this point by deliberately misinterpreting what the individual who posted the picture was trying to say.
[/quote]

This is actually what this guy is doing most of the time here...

Modifié par Mundl, 06 avril 2012 - 07:46 .

[Justin2k]

BeefoTheBold wrote...
It's a joke in the same sense that some of those Hitler videos with subtitles are obviously jokes.

The hitler videos are from a movie and do not show hitler himself.

This picture is taken when people are drowning underwater and dying, and comparing it to the ending of a videogame.

It just goes to show how horrid the retake movement is, all meme's and /b/ stuff.  It's disgusting you can condone making jokes about the deaths on the Titanic.  Are you like 10?  Please think before you say something offensive and stupid.

Modifié par Justin2k, 06 avril 2012 - 07:47 .

[DevilBeast]

Hyrist wrote...

DevilBeast wrote...

Actually, I quite enjoyed DA2. But i´m not really a Dragon Age fan and as such I don´t think my opinon count as much in that department.

Still, the whole "punish all for the actions of few" does not seem very wise IMO.
But hey, you do whatever you want with your money. Personally, I buy a game if I think it´s a great game, no matter which company made it.

I bought it, played it for a while, and ultimately dropped it. The story felt too plastered and the combat was faster, but felt far less tactical than the previous game. Let alone the sence of wonder and exploration just seemed not to be there - thought that had more to do with the same re-used dungeons than the static setting. 

I wish I could say I liked the game more, but the truth is I haven't even bought any more than the initial DLC. And I'm a fan of Felicia Day.

As far as pushing the whole for the actions of the few. Generalization works a bit differently in the world of buisness than in the world of argument. If someone wants to rally under the name of a business, their actions as individuals represent the whole, particuarlly consitering that whole is placed under the same general rules and restrictions - where as loosely collected social groups cannot maintain that level of order. If they wish to rally under the strenghts of that Business Name, they must also all suffer under the weaknesses of them.

Now, I did not hesitate a moment buying ME3 after my disappointment of DA2. The disapointment in ME3's ending has thus far told me I was mistaken doing that.

Now BioWare still has an oppertunity to make some amends here, but I do beleive my next purchase from them will be done with a lot more caution and hesitation even after the amends are made. If they blow me off as a customer as some sort of fringe element, then that hestitation will be a flat out boycott. 

Hmmm... Well, I guess you do have a point regarding regarding companies like Bioware. But as I´ve previously stated; I buy a game because I like it or I think I might like, not because it was made by a certain gaming company and vice versa. 

[Oldbones2]

DevilBeast wrote...

slyguy200 wrote...

 

Justin's banner is well deserved because to many of shepards fan's are glad about his/her death, i do not think that he is a true fan.

The whole point of Christianity is that Jesus died to save mankind from its sins. I guess Christians aren´t fan of Jesus either.

And yes, Shepard is basically the messiah of the ME universe.

Speaking as a christian, I thought the point of Jesus was to teach us how to live a 'good' life.  It was only when he was betrayed and failed by man's inherent weakness that he died. 

[Il Divo]

Adakutay wrote...

Justin2k wrote...
Titanic crash was more serious than ME3 ok?  Jesus, some people.

This is sarcasm right?

I hope.

Dispense with your faith in humanity. It's misplaced.

[BeefoTheBold]

Justin2k wrote...

LOL look at the picture.

Someone just compared the ending to Mass Effect 3 to the crash of the Titanic.

And sure they weren't being literal but you know that picture? There are people under the water dying. Tasteless to post it as a joke.

Ah, and now you're convinced that they weren't being literal after spreading into other threads that "Anti-life enders just compared the ending of ME3 to the deaths of thousands of people on the Titanic"

and...we're successfully off the original subject.

Which was, I'm sure, your point. After watching your support for Bioware's "severe" tactics earlier in the thread, is it not a surprise that when you're being pressed and losing an argument you go off on an irrelevant tangent, intentionally pretend you don't understand it is a joke, and then when pressed on how absurd you're being fall back to, "Okay, I get it was a joke...but what a tasteless one!"

Argue with some intellectual honesty or don't at all. But to quote Wrex, don't ****** into my mouth and tell me it was raining.

You knew damn well from the beginning that picture was a joke to make a point and not an intentional comparison. And you know damn well now that nobody is really offended by something that happened a century ago.

[Vaktathi]

Justin2k wrote...

LOL look at the picture.

Someone just compared the ending to Mass Effect 3 to the crash of the Titanic.

Because allegory and metaphor are things that just don't exist...

And sure they weren't being literal but you know that picture? There are people under the water dying. Tasteless to post it as a joke.

Yes, and everyone who survived is dead now too, have been for years. Half the nations that people were from on that ship no longer exist. False outrage isn't helping any cases here.

[AkiKishi]

Oldbones2 wrote...

DevilBeast wrote...

slyguy200 wrote...

 

Justin's banner is well deserved because to many of shepards fan's are glad about his/her death, i do not think that he is a true fan.

The whole point of Christianity is that Jesus died to save mankind from its sins. I guess Christians aren´t fan of Jesus either.

And yes, Shepard is basically the messiah of the ME universe.

Speaking as a christian, I thought the point of Jesus was to teach us how to live a 'good' life.  It was only when he was betrayed and failed by man's inherent weakness that he died. 

The church got together and created the best story from the bits they had.

[Il Divo]

BeefoTheBold wrote...

Justin2k wrote...

LOL look at the picture.

Someone just compared the ending to Mass Effect 3 to the crash of the Titanic.

And sure they weren't being literal but you know that picture? There are people under the water dying. Tasteless to post it as a joke.

Ah, and now you're convinced that they weren't being literal after spreading into other threads that "Anti-life enders just compared the ending of ME3 to the deaths of thousands of people on the Titanic"

and...we're successfully off the original subject.

Which was, I'm sure, your point. After watching your support for Bioware's "severe" tactics earlier in the thread, is it not a surprise that when you're being pressed and losing an argument you go off on an irrelevant tangent, intentionally pretend you don't understand it is a joke, and then when pressed on how absurd you're being fall back to, "Okay, I get it was a joke...but what a tasteless one!"

Argue with some intellectual honesty or don't at all. But to quote Wrex, don't ****** into my mouth and tell me it was raining.

You knew damn well from the beginning that picture was a joke to make a point and not an intentional comparison. And you know damn well now that nobody is really offended by something that happened a century ago.

You know he's just looking to get a rise out of you, right? Don't give the satisfaction.

[Oldbones2]

Justin2k wrote...

DashRunner92 wrote...

aeonlifestream wrote...

I'm here honestly to laugh at the self entitlement some users think they deserve.

Here's an idea; if you don't like the ending, make up your own instead of insulting the company with petty insults, making moronic statements and generally making a fool of yourself. I don't like the ending, but I moved on and honestly am eager to see the Extended Cut.

Oh wow, did you just compare 10 minutes of a video game to thousands of people dying? 

Oh, wow did you know someone on the Titanic?

Come on Justin, just cause you can't come up with anything witty and you don't have a logical argument doesn't mean you have to resort to petty deflections.

Just tell DashRunner92 that he's not a real fan.  That will surely force him to leave.

[Justin2k]

BeefoTheBold wrote...

You knew damn well from the beginning that picture was a joke to make a point and not an intentional comparison. And you know damn well now that nobody is really offended by something that happened a century ago.

I don't think it's funny to compare a video game ending not being up to your expectations to a photo of people dying.  I feel bad for you if you don't.  And yes, people dying a century ago is still sad, I'm sorry you don't have any empathy for it.

Modifié par Justin2k, 06 avril 2012 - 07:51 .

[DevilBeast]

Justin2k wrote...

BeefoTheBold wrote...
It's a joke in the same sense that some of those Hitler videos with subtitles are obviously jokes.

You're just intentionally trying to troll at this point by deliberately misinterpreting what the individual who posted the picture was trying to say.

The hitler videos are from a movie and do not show hitler himself.

This picture is taken when people are drowing underwater and dying, and comparing it to the ending of a videogame.

It just goes to show how horrid the retake movement is, all meme's and /b/ stuff.  It's disgusting you can make jokes about the deaths on the Titanic.

Reminds me when I recently saw someone asking the question; which one is worse: AIDS or ME3´s ending. And there where people who (not suprising) said that the ending was worse.
Call me sensitive, but as a friend of someone with HIV I didn´t really think it was funny at all.

[Zemore]

it strikes me that topics like this are created by either trolls or people who wish to understand .... i dub this as troll ...

[Justin2k]

DevilBeast wrote...

Justin2k wrote...

BeefoTheBold wrote...
It's a joke in the same sense that some of those Hitler videos with subtitles are obviously jokes.

You're just intentionally trying to troll at this point by deliberately misinterpreting what the individual who posted the picture was trying to say.

The hitler videos are from a movie and do not show hitler himself.

This picture is taken when people are drowing underwater and dying, and comparing it to the ending of a videogame.

It just goes to show how horrid the retake movement is, all meme's and /b/ stuff.  It's disgusting you can make jokes about the deaths on the Titanic.

Reminds me when I recently saw someone asking the question; which one is worse: AIDS or ME3´s ending. And there where people who (not suprising) said that the ending was worse.
Call me sensitive, but as a friend of someone with HIV I didn´t really think it was funny at all.

Yeah, it's like people voting EA as the worst country in America while the BoA has foreclosed on peoples homes and put thousands of people out on the streets.  It's stupid.

[John Epler]

These forums are for discussion of ME3, whether positive or negative.

So long as folks remain civil, they're welcome to stay here.

Locking, as there's really no need for this topic.

[BeefoTheBold]

Il Divo wrote...

BeefoTheBold wrote...

Justin2k wrote...

LOL look at the picture.

Someone just compared the ending to Mass Effect 3 to the crash of the Titanic.

And sure they weren't being literal but you know that picture? There are people under the water dying. Tasteless to post it as a joke.

Ah, and now you're convinced that they weren't being literal after spreading into other threads that "Anti-life enders just compared the ending of ME3 to the deaths of thousands of people on the Titanic"

and...we're successfully off the original subject.

Which was, I'm sure, your point. After watching your support for Bioware's "severe" tactics earlier in the thread, is it not a surprise that when you're being pressed and losing an argument you go off on an irrelevant tangent, intentionally pretend you don't understand it is a joke, and then when pressed on how absurd you're being fall back to, "Okay, I get it was a joke...but what a tasteless one!"

Argue with some intellectual honesty or don't at all. But to quote Wrex, don't ****** into my mouth and tell me it was raining.

You knew damn well from the beginning that picture was a joke to make a point and not an intentional comparison. And you know damn well now that nobody is really offended by something that happened a century ago.

You know he's just looking to get a rise out of you, right? Don't give the satisfaction.

Yep, I know that. It's transparently obvious. I'm describing the tactics being employed to make it obvious to everyone what a low and underhanded thing is being done, not actually getting personally worked up over this.

Justin's actually seized on that and is spreading it into other threads as well.