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[orangesonic]

Erixxxx wrote...

orangesonic wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

What's the point in asking others to leave if they are not to be given what they ask for?

Will OP leave if he doesn't get the ranters to leave? His reasoning to stay will then apply to anyone else.

Freedom is for everyone, no?

even for Bioware then

According to a lot of people on this forum, the freedom of speech only applies to persons of similar mindsets to their own. This applies to people on both sides of the argument at hand.

that exactly what i was thinking... Freedom is for everyone, no?

[Hyrist]

orangesonic wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

What's the point in asking others to leave if they are not to be given what they ask for?

Will OP leave if he doesn't get the ranters to leave? His reasoning to stay will then apply to anyone else.

Freedom is for everyone, no?

even for Bioware then

This is true. But the counter argument to that is if Bioware's efforts to amend those who are upset are not succesfful, the the consequences will be finantial as well as vocal. 

Gaming indurstry's sucesses rely on good consumer relations, and while they're making steps, many feel as if these steps are not adaquate. I shared this position up until recently when a fan-created epilougue showed me the potential of what BioWare could do with just a simple slide-show and some context-sensitive text, so I'm willing to be back in 'holding pattern' though this time it is without my current Star Wars, The Old Republic subscription.

Another thing that is currently upsetting me is the lack of humility in this situation. You may consiter the reaction to these endings overzealous, and even I have to admit that some of the outliers are misbehaving themselves, but this is true on both sides of the argument. The outcry itself, however, I feel is justified, as the ending holds such a stark contrast in quality to the rest of the game in the eyes of many. 


I feel that even though they did accomplish something overall great here, they should not be proud, nor satasfied, with the product they have produced, given the outcry, until efforts have been made and delivered to help cross the chasim now made between the developers and a good number of their playerbase.

[78stonewobble]

There is nothing worse than fans -.-

[gmboy902]

We're still here because we think Mass Effect 3 can be saved.

As for BioWare creating a new, fantastic game? Doubtful. Not because of Mass Effect 3's ending failure, but because of EA. EA takes anything unique, anything different and interesting (or expensive) out of a game so they can sell it to the masses. Perhaps this is a good business model. I don't know. But what I do know is that it drastically reduces the chances that BioWare is going to release another ME1 or Origins.

[Iconoclaste]

Erixxxx wrote...

orangesonic wrote...

Iconoclaste wrote...

What's the point in asking others to leave if they are not to be given what they ask for?

Will OP leave if he doesn't get the ranters to leave? His reasoning to stay will then apply to anyone else.

Freedom is for everyone, no?

even for Bioware then

According to a lot of people on this forum, the freedom of speech only applies to persons of similar mindsets to their own. This applies to people on both sides of the argument at hand.

Of course!

I should have been more precise, since "freedom" is too vague. But Bioware has obligations relating to their "freedom of speech" we do not have because we are not "sellers" of a product.

[Kosmiker]

And yet another thread about the retakers, the ending, the entitled, the bla bla bla... for someone who is trying to pass the message of "get over it" you're not really doing a good job.

And just for the record, i will probably replay the game when EC arrives just for the sake of giving my 2 cents about it.

[duckley]

Some remain because they are still angry and still need to vent
Some remain because they want to stir the pot

I dont mind the reasonable arguments and discussions.. its the over-the-top negativity and generally unreasonableness that bugs me.

I bought SKYRIM and that game is good but it has NO SOUL. Not only that, I can't play it to completion because it constantly freezes on the PS3. There have been 5 patches and the game is still not fixed.
I may not like the ending to Mass Effect 3 - but a t least I can play it to the ending!
At least BIOWARE acknowledges its fans ( unlike some other complanies) and tries to do something that will make some people happier

Modifié par duckley, 06 avril 2012 - 04:13 .

[Justin2k]

Arsenic Touch wrote...

Erixxxx wrote...

Arsenic Touch wrote...

You complain more than the people who hate the ending, congrats.

Lol, the 300 threads complaining about the DLC would like to have a word with you.

Nah, every chance this guy gets, he whines and complains about the people who whine and complain. It's quite amusing when he gets all condescending when he's called out on it. Just another troll trying to antagonize, nothing more.

I love how everyone with an opinion that the Retake thing is a ridiculous whine-fest is automatically labelled a troll  Sorry I just have a different opinion than you.  The real trolls are usually the ones on your side.

[orangesonic]

Vaktathi wrote...

Justin2k wrote...

Not at all.  By real fans I mean people who enjoy the companies products, who enjoy talking about it, who have fun.

Most of those who have an issue with the ending, that you seem to exclude from being "real fans", are all of these things except for the last, and that's because the ending is the part that makes them not have fun. They want to have fun, but the ending is so entirely inapporpriate that it destroys much of what makes the game fun for them when replaying it again or thinking/talking about it. They are as upset as they are *because* they liked ME so much and felt that this issue very negatively affected ME.

so dramatic

[Il Divo]

This thread blows.

[Arsenic Touch]

Justin2k wrote...

Arsenic Touch wrote...

Erixxxx wrote...

Arsenic Touch wrote...

You complain more than the people who hate the ending, congrats.

Lol, the 300 threads complaining about the DLC would like to have a word with you.

Nah, every chance this guy gets, he whines and complains about the people who whine and complain. It's quite amusing when he gets all condescending when he's called out on it. Just another troll trying to antagonize, nothing more.

I love how everyone with an opinion that the Retake thing is a ridiculous whine-fest is automatically labelled a troll  Sorry I just have a different opinion than you.  The real trolls are usually the ones on your side.

I love how much of a hypocrite you are, it's cute. Keep it up kiddo.

[BlacJAC74]

To be honest, BioWare really need to close or integrate many of the threads as they're all saying the same thing. People do get pissed off with it and it isn't fair to those that just wish to come on here and read non ending threads.

Take yesterday for example, about 100 threads popped up within an hour, all talking about the same thing - the dlc.

Modifié par BlacJAC74, 06 avril 2012 - 04:17 .

[Vaktathi]

Justin2k wrote...

Any one, including you, who has gone out of their way to destructively hurt Mass Effect or Bioware, and by this I mean giving to charity, sending cupcakes, threatening staff, spamming threads...

What do you consider spamming threads? You mean like spamming "Get over it/leave here" threads like you post every few days?

Charity and cupcakes are destructive to Bioware? Really? Other than some mild public shaming, you really consider that destructive?  So...anything that isn't praise is destructive? Methinks you need to open your eyes a bit more.

Threatening staff is something that a minority of people engage in, I challenge you to find an example of my doing it.

They aren't real fans.  Real fans do not try to kill franchises and companies they supposedly support.

Nobody is trying to kill bioware here. That's all in your head. I don't want Bioware to die. I want them to get the message the product they put out was not up to the standards they set in the past, was not what they built the story up to, was not up to the the expectations they created, nor did it match the statements they made.

If you consider that making you 'Not a fan', then apparently fans are incapable of criticism, which is ridiculous.

Modifié par Vaktathi, 06 avril 2012 - 04:18 .

[Iconoclaste]

I remember now having read recent threads that just got "locked" by Stanley Woo saying "Complaining about complainers that complain is improductive". You were the author of these threads, OP.

[RocketManSR2]

 This topic serves no other purpose than to incite flames, making it a troll topic. Stop making them.

[Hyrist]

I love how everyone with an opinion that the Retake thing is a ridiculous whine-fest is automatically labelled a troll Sorry I just have a different opinion than you. The real trolls are usually the ones on your side.

If you wish to remove yourself from a generalization, the first thing you can do to help yourself with that is to not generalize.

You might think that the trolls tend to lean more on one side, but in my experiences, there's been quite a few people trolling discussions and protest threads written all over these boards who claim to be 'pro-ending'.

I'd rather these individual stand as individuals, than give them the satisfaction of being part of any 'side' to this debate.

[Anakronist]

I'm not as much up in arms as everyone else is about the ending, I thought it closed a fair few things, although some parts of it were inexplicable and I'd like them to close those questions down, which, apparently, they will with a free DLC.

[Justin2k]

BlacJAC74 wrote...

To be honest, BioWare really need to close or integrate many of the threads as they're all saying the same thing. People do get pissed off with it and it isn't fair to those that just wish to come on here and read non ending threads.

Take yesterday for example, about 100 threads popped up within an hour, all talking about the same thing - the dlc.

Yesterday you would expect it because they made an annoucement.

But the problem is it has been this way for a month solid now.  Any fun threads just go straight away because every single retake person feels it's important that they make their own thread to say the exact same thing the rest of them say.

Truth is, most of us are tired of hearing it now.  It's just whining.  Especially after yesterday.  So many threads went on about wanting closure for characters, Bioware promised this and now they want more.  They just look ridiculous now.

[Farbautisonn]

Justin2k wrote...
I love how everyone with an opinion that the Retake thing is a ridiculous whine-fest is automatically labelled a troll  Sorry I just have a different opinion than you.  The real trolls are usually the ones on your side.

VS

Justin2k wrote...

So essentially you are staying around
just to cause trouble for the real fans and to troll?  Great lol. 
Perfect example of the retake movement.

-HAHAHHA.... You simply amaze me. And please... do elaborate on a "real fan".

Christ....  its so easy it hurts.

Modifié par Farbautisonn, 06 avril 2012 - 04:21 .

[orangesonic]

it`s funny because if anyone who liked the ending made a thread in the last weeks they were called-names by many of the retake movement... so i don`t see whats the difference
i didn`t like the ending but NO ``hold the line`` crap for me, too nerdy for me...
many people did in a good manner and let`s just wait for Bioware to release it and we`ll see more of the `` i didn`t like the ending blah blah blah``...
respect other people opinions and let them post things that are not hate-ending-related

[Iconoclaste]

Justin2k wrote...

BlacJAC74 wrote...

To be honest, BioWare really need to close or integrate many of the threads as they're all saying the same thing. People do get pissed off with it and it isn't fair to those that just wish to come on here and read non ending threads.

Take yesterday for example, about 100 threads popped up within an hour, all talking about the same thing - the dlc.

Yesterday you would expect it because they made an annoucement.

But the problem is it has been this way for a month solid now.  Any fun threads just go straight away because every single retake person feels it's important that they make their own thread to say the exact same thing the rest of them say.

Truth is, most of us are tired of hearing it now.  It's just whining.  Especially after yesterday.  So many threads went on about wanting closure for characters, Bioware promised this and now they want more.  They just look ridiculous now.

I agree that something should be done to limit the number of similar threads opening in a short time. It only shows that the authors of these threads do not even care to read what others of similar opinion as themselves have to say. It's then revealing to read from them that others don't care about the forum's "integrity"...

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

To roll the forums until next bioware game released. People will understand more with my illuminating comments!

[Hyrist]

Justin2k wrote...

Yesterday you would expect it because they made an annoucement.

But the problem is it has been this way for a month solid now.  Any fun threads just go straight away because every single retake person feels it's important that they make their own thread to say the exact same thing the rest of them say.

Truth is, most of us are tired of hearing it now.  It's just whining.  Especially after yesterday.  So many threads went on about wanting closure for characters, Bioware promised this and now they want more.  They just look ridiculous now.

Ah. I see the problem here.

This is a difference in viewpoints as far as the pourpose of an 'official boards'. 

You're primarily here to share views or casual fan discussions with other fans. While others, especially those upset, view this as a place to collect feeback efforts.

Neither one of these ideals is wrong, nor is it impossible for them to co-exist. However, given the current climate about the game, it is not unreasonable that this board, at this time, would be prodominantly feedback based. If you're willing just to engage in friendly discussion, I might reccomend reatreating to more isolated areas of the board, such as discussions in 'groups' sections, as well as possibly character sections.

Hate to be negative about this, but this issue isn't going away soon, and while it can be a bother, it does deserve the attention.

[orangesonic]

and NO Bioware its not gonna change the ending...

[Harley_Dude]

If you have a close friend that is ruining their lives with drugs and alcohol do you say nothing or confront them? EAware is not producing titles at the same level of quality as KOTOR, DAO or ME1 imho. Me too multi-player, day one DLC and MMO's are not the answer. Go back to good storytelling and characters that are not dating sims and you have a solid base to expand on. Love it or hate it Skyrim's sales have proven the RPG is not dead.