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[hawat333]

Haha, that was a good one.

[Oldbones2]

Justin2k wrote...

So I understand a lot of people are very upset at Bioware right now for the ending of Mass Effect and also for the perception that they have that they haven't been listened to or that they have been spoken down to.  I do get that although I don't agree with it.

And many people are now talking about voting with their wallets and all, which in honesty is in my opinion the only way to actually hold any sort of line and make any difference.

But what if Bioware came out with the next big thing.  Something which is better than Mass Effect 1.  Something better than Dragonage.  What if they came out with the new "skyrim", the game that everyone knows someone who is playing.

Will you really honestly sit it out because of principles?  It doesn't look like it if I'm honest.  You can all tick a poll that you will never buy a Bioware product ever again, but yet you still sit on their forums every day.  And now it's like all people do is complain and you have to consider, why not just go and do something fun for you?  Bioware have said what they intend to do, it isn't going to change, so if you don't like it what on earth is the point?

The only way you are going to hold any line is if you start to do what you threaten and just leave.  If they still get your money it really doesn't matter how many cupcakes you send them.   I think you guys enjoy Bioware games too much to actually go because if I didn't like a company I wouldn't waste months on trolling their forums like you guys are now.

Just get over it please, for the sake of everyone else here.  Shepard deserves better fans.

Me 3's ending made me sad enough not to want any more DLC in the ME universe.

Bioware's handling of its fans made me bitter enough to take action.

I think its going to be pretty easy for me to skip the next Mass Effect title. 

And if DA3 is AMAZING, well I can always buy it secondhand or rent it so Bioware gets NO profit.

[Heather Cline]

I never said I'd leave the forum either. I said I'd never buy another game or DLC from them again. Completely different statements. In fact they are different. One is leaving and never coming back, one is never buying their stuff again. Therefore I never said I'd leave, I just said they will get no more money from me. Therefore I don't have to leave, I can stay as long as I want, just never buy anything from them again.

I win in this scenario.

[AxisEvolve]

thedosbox wrote...

Femlob wrote...

Because I'm not letting a paid EAWare shill like yourself get off that easy.

And don't bother trying to convince me that you're not getting paid to be an ass. Nobody would have bothered to be as persistenly annoying as you have been without a monetary incentive.

And this is a demonstration of why many people have a hard time taking the retake campaign seriously.

A larger number don't take the "you can do no wrong in my eyes" Pro-Ending crowd seriously. Maybe because of the thoughtless spamming of the words "entitled", "whiner" and "artistic integrity" in every post.

Biowares deserves honest fans, not yes men.

[Volus Warlord]

AxisEvolve wrote...

Biowares deserves honest fans, not yes men.

Agreed.

Art through adversity! We are here to challenge them to be the best, not rationalize their misteps.

Modifié par Volus Warlord, 06 avril 2012 - 05:15 .

[LPPrince]

What is up with the "real fans" bull?

I noticed in the first page alone that several times the term "real fans" was brought up.

A "real" fan is a fan. Whether that fan gobbles up anything a company puts out or objectively criticizes everything they do is irrelevant.

I'm noticing some serious high-horse attitudes here. That's pretty unwelcoming to a forum.

[Chromie]

LPPrince wrote...

What is up with the "real fans" bull?

I noticed in the first page alone that several times the term "real fans" was brought up.

A "real" fan is a fan. Whether that fan gobbles up anything a company puts out or objectively criticizes everything they do is irrelevant.

I'm noticing some serious high-horse attitudes here. That's pretty unwelcoming to a forum.

Bull****. Real fans accept anything and everything Bioware has done. Even if it means getting screwed in the ass. If you can't see that your not a real fan. /sarcasm.

[thedosbox]

AxisEvolve wrote...
A larger number don't take the "you can do no wrong in my eyes" Pro-Ending crowd seriously. Maybe because of the thoughtless spamming of the words "entitled", "whiner" and "artistic integrity" in every post.

And exactly where were any of those adjectives used in the original post, or in my posts?

Biowares deserves honest fans, not yes men.

Ah, I see you're another subscriber to the belief that if someone has a different opinion, that makes them a yes man?   Riiiiiight.

[Heather Cline]

LPPrince has a point. The fact is the 'real fan' stuff and the 'elitism' among other things as well as the high-horse attitude of the Pro-Enders and even some Re-Takers is just plain bad. Both sides have it some more than others.

[Justin2k]

LPPrince wrote...

What is up with the "real fans" bull?

I noticed in the first page alone that several times the term "real fans" was brought up.

A "real" fan is a fan. Whether that fan gobbles up anything a company puts out or objectively criticizes everything they do is irrelevant.

I'm noticing some serious high-horse attitudes here. That's pretty unwelcoming to a forum.

Not really.

Anyone who goes out of their way to damage or hurt a company, franchise or whatever is not a true supporter.  I see there are people who didn't like the ending and made their voice heard, critical fans sure.  But the retake people who have set out to damage Biowares reputation or Mass Effect as a franchise, they're not really fans.  They're the opposite in all honesty.

[Melra]

Because, I am above most of the people in here, I like that feeling.

[DevilBeast]

Brian.V3 wrote...

Because to them the fight is just beginning. While they have made BioWare to compromise their post launch rollout for the sake of getting this as quickly as they can to their fans. While it has been stated no post ending DLC is not planned. Where does it say it is entirely off the table? That is there take. Plus I'm sure they just want the famous words that BioWare has yet to use instead of "artistic integrity" and it is "we apologize".

Soo... If you wrote a let´s say a novel, and some people didn´t like it, should you apologize to them then??

[kittysox]

I'm here because I love the mass effect univese and to have it end in such a cheesy way is simply a travesty.

[Farbautisonn]

thedosbox wrote...

Ah, I see you're another subscriber to the belief that if someone has a different opinion, that makes them a yes man?   Riiiiiight.

And yet you support Justin2k who uses that precise same logic only inverted.

[AxisEvolve]

Volus Warlord wrote...

AxisEvolve wrote...

Biowares deserves honest fans, not yes men.

Agreed.

Art through adversity! We are here to challenge them to be the best, not rationalize their misteps.

Criticism helps sculpt great games. Telling developers what you like and don't like strengthens them. "I trust your vision no matter what" or "the game was perfect" helps no one. 

People in here can imagine they are the perfect fans but in reality all they're doing is trying to start a fight with any Anti-Ender that they can. They don't want to fix the community, they want it divided. They want the opposite opinion to be silenced so they can get back to their smug super fan crusade.

Bioware can handle criticism, but the high and mighty crowd can't.

thedosbox wrote...
Ah, I see you're another subscriber to the belief that if someone has a different opinion, that makes them a yes man?   Riiiiiight.

 
Just the fanatics with 99% of their posts consisting of bashing Retakers and telling Bioware how perfect they are.

Modifié par AxisEvolve, 06 avril 2012 - 05:25 .

[Volus Warlord]

Justin2k wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

What is up with the "real fans" bull?

I noticed in the first page alone that several times the term "real fans" was brought up.

A "real" fan is a fan. Whether that fan gobbles up anything a company puts out or objectively criticizes everything they do is irrelevant.

I'm noticing some serious high-horse attitudes here. That's pretty unwelcoming to a forum.

Not really.

Anyone who goes out of their way to damage or hurt a company, franchise or whatever is not a true supporter.  I see there are people who didn't like the ending and made their voice heard, critical fans sure.  But the retake people who have set out to damage Biowares reputation or Mass Effect as a franchise, they're not really fans.  They're the opposite in all honesty.

We sometimes must punish those whom we love. To do otherwise would be negligent and irresponsible.

[Farbautisonn]

Justin2k wrote...
Anyone who goes out of their way to damage or hurt a company, franchise or whatever is not a true supporter.  I see there are people who didn't like the ending and made their voice heard, critical fans sure.  But the retake people who have set out to damage Biowares reputation or Mass Effect as a franchise, they're not really fans.  They're the opposite in all honesty.

-You simply are unable to stop arent you? 

[thedosbox]

slyguy200 wrote...

Thing is that the idea of paid trolls now has ground to stand on, so we are suspicious maybe even paranoid but the thing is that we now have proof.

I find it hilarious that anyone who likes the game is painted as a paid shil/troll.  Let me guess, do you also believe the moon landings were fake?  Or that the illuminati rule the world?

[Justin2k]

Farbautisonn wrote...

thedosbox wrote...

Ah, I see you're another subscriber to the belief that if someone has a different opinion, that makes them a yes man?   Riiiiiight.

And yet you support Justin2k who uses that precise same logic only inverted.

Read my previous statements.  I've made it clear that I see two types of anti-end people.  One is the fan who is disappointed and has voiced their disappointment.  One is the destructive "bioware are dead to me" type.  It's the latter who i have the issue with.

[EvilBeaver426]

I'm here because I'm waiting for The Extended Cut DLC. I'm not happy at the fact that it will just "clarify" the current ending, an ending that I believe to be an abomination, but I'll reserve judgement until it's out and I've played it.

Hell, maybe they will change the ending, maybe they will adopt the indoctrination theory, maybe it will restore my faith in Bioware and when I shut my Xbox off I'll get that same feeling I got when I beat ME1 and ME1. A feeling like I just experienced something special, something great, something that made me say, "Oh wow! I'm going to start a second playthrough!"

Until then I'll be playing Skyrim. FUS-RO-IAMKROGAN!

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Volus Warlord wrote...

AxisEvolve wrote...

Biowares deserves honest fans, not yes men.

Agreed.

Art through adversity! We are here to challenge them to be the best, not rationalize their misteps.