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[AkiKishi]

Jedi Sentinel Arian wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

AxisEvolve wrote...

Biowares deserves honest fans, not yes men.

Agreed.

Art through adversity! We are here to challenge them to be the best, not rationalize their misteps.

Perfect.

[Farbautisonn]

Justin2k wrote...
Read my previous statements.  I've made it clear that I see two types of anti-end people.  One is the fan who is disappointed and has voiced their disappointment.  One is the destructive "bioware are dead to me" type.  It's the latter who i have the issue with.

-What you have made clear is that you are unable to argue your case with any semblance of logic and without the use of logical fallacies. And even after people rub your face in it you are simply unable to resist doing it again.

[thedosbox]

Farbautisonn wrote...

thedosbox wrote...

Ah, I see you're another subscriber to the belief that if someone has a different opinion, that makes them a yes man?   Riiiiiight.

And yet you support Justin2k who uses that precise same logic only inverted.

And where exactly does he do that?  I am constantly amazed at the ability of portions of the retake campaign to invent nonsense out of nothing.

Modifié par thedosbox, 06 avril 2012 - 05:27 .

[Justin2k]

Farbautisonn wrote...

Justin2k wrote...
Read my previous statements.  I've made it clear that I see two types of anti-end people.  One is the fan who is disappointed and has voiced their disappointment.  One is the destructive "bioware are dead to me" type.  It's the latter who i have the issue with.

-What you have made clear is that you are unable to argue your case with any semblance of logic and without the use of logical fallacies. And even after people rub your face in it you are simply unable to resist doing it again.

Not at all.  I've pretty much shut the door on my argument.  There is very little you can say against it, so you just adopt an "I am more intelligent than you.. really i am.. honest" attitude, and troll my every post.  You have said very very little to prove my arguments wrong or that you are not more detrimental to the social network than Bioware supporters.

[thedosbox]

slyguy200 wrote...
Not everyone, but there are some for sure. Moon landings were real. who are the illuminati?
Here is some of the proof.
http://www.cinemable...izon-40885.html

So, where is yours or femlords proof that justin2k (or anyone who's annoyed by the retake campaign) are paid trolls?  Because that is the accusation being made.

[DevilBeast]

Oldbones2 wrote...

Justin2k wrote...

So I understand a lot of people are very upset at Bioware right now for the ending of Mass Effect and also for the perception that they have that they haven't been listened to or that they have been spoken down to.  I do get that although I don't agree with it.

And many people are now talking about voting with their wallets and all, which in honesty is in my opinion the only way to actually hold any sort of line and make any difference.

But what if Bioware came out with the next big thing.  Something which is better than Mass Effect 1.  Something better than Dragonage.  What if they came out with the new "skyrim", the game that everyone knows someone who is playing.

Will you really honestly sit it out because of principles?  It doesn't look like it if I'm honest.  You can all tick a poll that you will never buy a Bioware product ever again, but yet you still sit on their forums every day.  And now it's like all people do is complain and you have to consider, why not just go and do something fun for you?  Bioware have said what they intend to do, it isn't going to change, so if you don't like it what on earth is the point?

The only way you are going to hold any line is if you start to do what you threaten and just leave.  If they still get your money it really doesn't matter how many cupcakes you send them.   I think you guys enjoy Bioware games too much to actually go because if I didn't like a company I wouldn't waste months on trolling their forums like you guys are now.

Just get over it please, for the sake of everyone else here.  Shepard deserves better fans.

Me 3's ending made me sad enough not to want any more DLC in the ME universe.

Bioware's handling of its fans made me bitter enough to take action.

I think its going to be pretty easy for me to skip the next Mass Effect title. 

And if DA3 is AMAZING, well I can always buy it secondhand or rent it so Bioware gets NO profit.

Ever heard about something called "forgiveness"??

[Sunnie]

Justin2k wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

What is up with the "real fans" bull?

I noticed in the first page alone that several times the term "real fans" was brought up.

A "real" fan is a fan. Whether that fan gobbles up anything a company puts out or objectively criticizes everything they do is irrelevant.

I'm noticing some serious high-horse attitudes here. That's pretty unwelcoming to a forum.

Not really.

Anyone who goes out of their way to damage or hurt a company, franchise or whatever is not a true supporter.  I see there are people who didn't like the ending and made their voice heard, critical fans sure.  But the retake people who have set out to damage Biowares reputation or Mass Effect as a franchise, they're not really fans.  They're the opposite in all honesty.

Another troll thread, surprise, surprise. Quite comon these days.

Just some news for you, the only people who can damage BioWare's reputation or the Mass Effect franchise are the decision makers at BioWare.  Do something unpopular and expect to have your reputation pummeled on the internet. /uploads_user/1070000/1069890/194297.gif

[Heather Cline]

If I wrote a book that was inconsistent in it's plot, had a horrible ending and millions of people bought it then told me how crappy it was and what was wrong. I'd apologize and go back to fixing the mistakes and putting out a better version and make sure people enjoyed it.

However I didn't write a book and there are numerous books that have been re-written, fixed and out right changed due to fan out cry, publishers, beta readers and so on saying that there are problems and have to be fixed.

Hell Sir Arthur Conan Doyle originally killed off Holmes, but fan outcry made him go back and retcon the death and continue on with Holmes.

So yeah... he did apologize to his fans. And yes books have been changed. So yeah... the ending to the game should be amended to have other options, and happy endings. Or completely cut out the AI child thing and give us varying different endings from the death of Shepard to Shepard living and meeting up with LI.

Not this complete character assassination that they did and rip off of Deus Ex Machina/HR ending.

[AxisEvolve]

thedosbox wrote...
 I am constantly amazed at the ability of portions of the retake campaign to invent nonsense out of nothing.

Branding the few Retakers in this thread as the face of the movement is inventing nonsense out of nothing. It's why no one takes the Pro-Ending loyalists seriously. We have numbers in the hundred thousands while the Pro-Enders appear to be the same handful of instigators that can't accept the majority opinion. 

[AkiKishi]

DevilBeast wrote...

Oldbones2 wrote...

Justin2k wrote...

So I understand a lot of people are very upset at Bioware right now for the ending of Mass Effect and also for the perception that they have that they haven't been listened to or that they have been spoken down to.  I do get that although I don't agree with it.

And many people are now talking about voting with their wallets and all, which in honesty is in my opinion the only way to actually hold any sort of line and make any difference.

But what if Bioware came out with the next big thing.  Something which is better than Mass Effect 1.  Something better than Dragonage.  What if they came out with the new "skyrim", the game that everyone knows someone who is playing.

Will you really honestly sit it out because of principles?  It doesn't look like it if I'm honest.  You can all tick a poll that you will never buy a Bioware product ever again, but yet you still sit on their forums every day.  And now it's like all people do is complain and you have to consider, why not just go and do something fun for you?  Bioware have said what they intend to do, it isn't going to change, so if you don't like it what on earth is the point?

The only way you are going to hold any line is if you start to do what you threaten and just leave.  If they still get your money it really doesn't matter how many cupcakes you send them.   I think you guys enjoy Bioware games too much to actually go because if I didn't like a company I wouldn't waste months on trolling their forums like you guys are now.

Just get over it please, for the sake of everyone else here.  Shepard deserves better fans.

Me 3's ending made me sad enough not to want any more DLC in the ME universe.

Bioware's handling of its fans made me bitter enough to take action.

I think its going to be pretty easy for me to skip the next Mass Effect title. 

And if DA3 is AMAZING, well I can always buy it secondhand or rent it so Bioware gets NO profit.

Ever heard about something called "forgiveness"??

Forgiveness is something you earn.

[Khayness]

Because the BSN is hillarious and I live on your grief.

[AkiKishi]

Sunnie22 wrote...
Another troll thread, surprise, surprise. Quite comon these days.

Just some news for you, the only people who can damage BioWare's reputation or the Mass Effect franchise are the decision makers at BioWare.  Do something unpopular and expect to have your reputation pummeled on the internet. /uploads_user/1070000/1069890/194297.gif

Nice Avatar pic. Must be from ME3

[Farbautisonn]

thedosbox wrote...

Farbautisonn wrote...

thedosbox wrote...

Ah, I see you're another subscriber to the belief that if someone has a different opinion, that makes them a yes man?   Riiiiiight.

And yet you support Justin2k who uses that precise same logic only inverted.

And where exactly does he do that?  I am constantly amazed at the ability of portions of the retake campaign to invent nonsense out of nothing.

Hahah.... lulz... You people never cease to amaze me.

Justin2k wrote...
I love how everyone with an opinion that the Retake thing is a ridiculous whine-fest is automatically labelled a troll  Sorry I just have a different opinion than you.  The real trolls are usually the ones on your side.

VS

Justin2k wrote...

So essentially you are staying around
just to cause trouble for the real fans and to troll?  Great lol. 
Perfect example of the retake movement.

Also, you like Justin2k make the precise same, less than intelligent mistake of presuming I am part of "Retake". Im not. As I have said ad nauseam I think they are too nice.  But thanks. You extrapolate traits and statements from an individual you do not agree with, and apply them en bloc to "Retake", despite any kind of evidence or empirical fact, to demonize them.

Just like Justin you are so easy to disregard and debunk it boggles the mind.

Modifié par Farbautisonn, 06 avril 2012 - 05:36 .

[thedosbox]

AxisEvolve wrote...

thedosbox wrote...
 I am constantly amazed at the ability of portions of the retake campaign to invent nonsense out of nothing.

Branding the few Retakers in this thread as the face of the movement is inventing nonsense out of nothing. It's why no one takes the Pro-Ending loyalists seriously. We have numbers in the hundred thousands while the Pro-Enders appear to be the same handful of instigators that can't accept the majority opinion. 

Portions, not all.   Maybe you should actually read before responding.

As for "hundred thousands", I'll point out that the game sold 890,000 on launch day alone.  Yet there is no evidence for your implication that over 450,000 of those are actively participating in the retake campaign.  The more likely reality is that most of them just don't care.

[Metalunatic]

Hyrist wrote...

Justin, you've got a notorious reputation of being a troll, posting inflamatory comments in other peoples thread and overall mockery of anyone that disagrees with you.

Enough said. Before you accuse others of trolling you should take a look in the mirror, OP.

[Kakita Tatsumaru]

Justin2k wrote...

So I understand a lot of people are very upset at Bioware right now for the ending of Mass Effect and also for the perception that they have that they haven't been listened to or that they have been spoken down to.  I do get that although I don't agree with it.

And many people are now talking about voting with their wallets and all, which in honesty is in my opinion the only way to actually hold any sort of line and make any difference.

But what if Bioware came out with the next big thing.  Something which is better than Mass Effect 1.  Something better than Dragonage.  What if they came out with the new "skyrim", the game that everyone knows someone who is playing.

Will you really honestly sit it out because of principles?  It doesn't look like it if I'm honest.  You can all tick a poll that you will never buy a Bioware product ever again, but yet you still sit on their forums every day.  And now it's like all people do is complain and you have to consider, why not just go and do something fun for you?  Bioware have said what they intend to do, it isn't going to change, so if you don't like it what on earth is the point?

The only way you are going to hold any line is if you start to do what you threaten and just leave.  If they still get your money it really doesn't matter how many cupcakes you send them.   I think you guys enjoy Bioware games too much to actually go because if I didn't like a company I wouldn't waste months on trolling their forums like you guys are now.

Just get over it please, for the sake of everyone else here.  Shepard deserves better fans.

You do no better than anyone by creating topics to complain about complains.
Besides, don't think than you can't play a game without voting with your wallet, there are lots of ways to do it, and I'm not just talking about illegal ways to do it.
Didn't buyed anything from them since DA:O and ME2, still I've played DA2 and ME3.
And guess the good thing about playing a game before buying it? Money becomes a reward of thanks for good times instead a lottery ticket on a random quality game.

[Justin2k]

slyguy200 wrote...
I for one have yet to even see your argument, unless you were serious about what you were saying before... whatever that was.

There is no point for Retake to stay around as they have lost.

Bioware have released 2 free DLCs within the space of 2 days, got back a lot of the fanbase, Anti-Enders are becoming more and more unpopular and are matched with supporters now and Bioware are not going to fix the ending to their satisfaction so they may as well go and let the rest of us enjoy. 

[DevilBeast]

slyguy200 wrote...

DevilBeast wrote...

...
Soo... If you wrote a let´s say a novel, and some people didn´t like it, should you apologize to them then??

If it were an awesome videogame series that i sold millions of copies of then yes.
Books are different and do not apply.

They don´t?? Didn´t Conan Doyle "resurrect" Sherlock Holmes due to a public outcry against him for killing off Holmes in The Final Problem??

These type of arguments are nothing new, and not only applied to videogames.

[Oldbones2]

Justin2k wrote...

Farbautisonn wrote...

thedosbox wrote...

Ah, I see you're another subscriber to the belief that if someone has a different opinion, that makes them a yes man?   Riiiiiight.

And yet you support Justin2k who uses that precise same logic only inverted.

Read my previous statements.  I've made it clear that I see two types of anti-end people.  One is the fan who is disappointed and has voiced their disappointment.  One is the destructive "bioware are dead to me" type.  It's the latter who i have the issue with.

Lucky for us 'fake fans' you and your opinion can have no more impact on us, than our choices had on the ending of Mass Effect 3.

[Avolie]

Because I love the game

[Farbautisonn]

Justin2k wrote...
Not at all.  I've pretty much shut the door on my argument.  There is very little you can say against it, so you just adopt an "I am more intelligent than you.. really i am.. honest" attitude, and troll my every post.  You have said very very little to prove my arguments wrong or that you are not more detrimental to the social network than Bioware supporters.

-That attitude works wonders. Especially when its true and I can prove how much you employ generalisations, fallacies etc and then blame people like me and the "retake" guys for doing the same. It doesnt take a genious. Shouldnt take a genious to stop doing it either, but you seem to be a glutton for humiliation.

I have proven your arguments wrong consistently and you have disregarded my posts where I did. Consistently. That makes it even more amusing to remain here.

[Oldbones2]

DevilBeast wrote...

Oldbones2 wrote...

Justin2k wrote...

So I understand a lot of people are very upset at Bioware right now for the ending of Mass Effect and also for the perception that they have that they haven't been listened to or that they have been spoken down to.  I do get that although I don't agree with it.

And many people are now talking about voting with their wallets and all, which in honesty is in my opinion the only way to actually hold any sort of line and make any difference.

But what if Bioware came out with the next big thing.  Something which is better than Mass Effect 1.  Something better than Dragonage.  What if they came out with the new "skyrim", the game that everyone knows someone who is playing.

Will you really honestly sit it out because of principles?  It doesn't look like it if I'm honest.  You can all tick a poll that you will never buy a Bioware product ever again, but yet you still sit on their forums every day.  And now it's like all people do is complain and you have to consider, why not just go and do something fun for you?  Bioware have said what they intend to do, it isn't going to change, so if you don't like it what on earth is the point?

The only way you are going to hold any line is if you start to do what you threaten and just leave.  If they still get your money it really doesn't matter how many cupcakes you send them.   I think you guys enjoy Bioware games too much to actually go because if I didn't like a company I wouldn't waste months on trolling their forums like you guys are now.

Just get over it please, for the sake of everyone else here.  Shepard deserves better fans.

Me 3's ending made me sad enough not to want any more DLC in the ME universe.

Bioware's handling of its fans made me bitter enough to take action.

I think its going to be pretty easy for me to skip the next Mass Effect title. 

And if DA3 is AMAZING, well I can always buy it secondhand or rent it so Bioware gets NO profit.

Ever heard about something called "forgiveness"??

I have.  It usually comes after something called an apology.

[thedosbox]

Farbautisonn wrote...

Also, you like Justin2k make the precise same, less than intelligent mistake of presuming I am part of "Retake". Im not. As I have said ad nauseam I think they are too nice.  But thanks.

My position was supported by the posts I quoted - namely the accusation from femlord that justin must be a paid troll/shill.  Similarly, you too seem to not understand the difference between "portions" and "all".

You extrapolate traits and statements from an individual you do not
agree with, and apply them en bloc to "Retake", despite any kind of
evidence or empirical fact, to demonize them.

No need to extrapolate - there's plenty of evidence all over this thread, and the forum in general.

Just like Justin you are so easy to disregard and debunk it boggles the mind.

And yet, you're still responding

Modifié par thedosbox, 06 avril 2012 - 05:42 .